Jet Nut Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 14 hours ago, themeangreenkillingmachine said: I guess that ices the pain. But I’d still rather have bridgewater than Semien Because of what? Because you woke up and said to yourself, "What can I complain about today?" Ah, Teddy Bridgewater Like we traded away A Rogers 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Hael said: We would have gotten a 3rd round comp pick. The trade itself was roughly what Teddy was worth, so it wasn’t a great ‘trade’ perse. The valuable thing was signing him in the first place, which I gather was largely of his own choosing and less a coup for a GM. But whatever, I consider it the best net win for us in Macs entire miserable career here This is a false narrative. We likely would have got nothing for Teddy leaving as a FA. The comp pick formula is based on a load of factors, including the size of the contract a player signs and the success he has with his new team. But the most important factor is net losses - you have to lose more players than you sign to qualify for comp picks. We lost very little in FA this year, and the players we did lose signed low-level contracts and are not expected to be impact players. We signed a load of good players to big-money deals, more than cancelling out our losses. So, even if Teddy had stayed for the year and then left as a FA, there is no chance we would have received a 3rd round comp pick (or any comp pick) for him at all. Trading Teddy at that time, as the 3rd string QB, for a 3rd round pick was absolutely the right move and a great trade. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 it's all water under the bridge. mac is gone. idzik is gone. their poor drafting is the main reason why the jets are in the state they're in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Hael said: We would have gotten a 3rd round comp pick. The trade itself was roughly what Teddy was worth, so it wasn’t a great ‘trade’ perse. The valuable thing was signing him in the first place, which I gather was largely of his own choosing and less a coup for a GM. But whatever, I considt er it the best net win for us in Macs entire miserable career here On what ******* planet do you see a 3rd round comp pick for Bridgewater? The comp pick formula is based on contract, playing time and postseason honors. He signed a 1 year deal, never played and received no honors. He got $7M, but everything else is going against him. Fitzpatrick played, and played fairly well, got similar money and rated a sixth according to overthecap. The following factors are what really makes your premise silly. That would be a 2020 6th, which is way the **** worse than a 2019 3rd. The Jets were buyers in free agency by necessity. Pretty obvious that Bell, Mosley, Crowder, Siemian, etc were going to offset any FA losses the Jets had, so it was obvious they weren't getting any comp picks. Even if Bridgewater would have rated a 3rd round comp pick, he would have been offset by Mosley and the net would be nothing. The idea the Jets would have gotten a 3rd for him without a trade is over the moon ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I’ll never understand this over the top love for Bridgewater by Jets fans. If anything, Taysom Hill is viewed as the successor to Brees by the Saints and their fans. Not Teddy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I’ll never understand this over the top love for Bridgewater by Jets fans. If anything, Taysom Hill is viewed as the successor to Brees by the Saints and their fans. Not Teddy. I never got the Bridgewater love either the guy was a glorified Jay Fiedler before he sustained a horrific injury We signed him to a one year deal and got more than fair market value for him which turned into Edoga who looks to become a serviceable NFL OL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtMart Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Never liked the TB trade at the time. Didn’t serve us well either. You just don’t trade away a good QB for a 3rd rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 20 hours ago, NoBowles said: I always liked Teddy and really hoped we had drafted him. Instead we hung out hopes on Geno$400 Smith. Too bad he had that injury, I think he can be a franchise level QB, maybe not top 10, but you can win with Teddy. That injury ruined him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Philc1 said: I never got the Bridgewater love either the guy was a glorified Jay Fiedler before he sustained a horrific injury We signed him to a one year deal and got more than fair market value for him which turned into Edoga who looks to become a serviceable NFL OL Right. He wasn't taking anybody anywhere. That was real bad, and he needs run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 If only someone had said all along that trading Teddy before we had evidence of Sam being a draft “hit” was stupid. If only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: If only someone had said all along that trading Teddy before we had evidence of Sam being a draft “hit” was stupid. If only. I’ve always been A Teddy fan, and really wanted the Jets to draft him out of Louisville, the problem was we would have had to pay him this offseason or risk losing him for very little comp. I think the trade was fine, the person using the draft pick was the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, NoBowles said: I’ve always been A Teddy fan, and really wanted the Jets to draft him out of Louisville, the problem was we would have had to pay him this offseason or risk losing him for very little comp. I think the trade was fine, the person using the draft pick was the problem Agree about Mac. Would add that Mac gave out so much bad contracts to FAs, it would have been acceptable to pay Teddy and let Sam fully acclimate. Based on his time missed and improvement when he came back, the evidence supports sitting him as a rookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: Agree about Mac. Would add that Mac gave out so much bad contracts to FAs, it would have been acceptable to pay Teddy and let Sam fully acclimate. Based on his time missed and improvement when he came back, the evidence supports sitting him as a rookie. Certainly fair point , I would not have been upset to keep Teddy at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 15 hours ago, #27TheDominator said: On what ******* planet do you see a 3rd round comp pick for Bridgewater? The comp pick formula is based on contract, playing time and postseason honors. He signed a 1 year deal, never played and received no honors. He got $7M, but everything else is going against him. Fitzpatrick played, and played fairly well, got similar money and rated a sixth according to overthecap. The following factors are what really makes your premise silly. That would be a 2020 6th, which is way the **** worse than a 2019 3rd. The Jets were buyers in free agency by necessity. Pretty obvious that Bell, Mosley, Crowder, Siemian, etc were going to offset any FA losses the Jets had, so it was obvious they weren't getting any comp picks. Even if Bridgewater would have rated a 3rd round comp pick, he would have been offset by Mosley and the net would be nothing. The idea the Jets would have gotten a 3rd for him without a trade is over the moon ridiculous. Nope, that's not how it works. The trade was a late 2019 3rd for TB and an early 6th round pick. This leads to roughly 70 points in draft value from the draft chart, or roughly a mid 4th round pick in 2019 total value. T.B was coming off an injury and would have been signed the following year by any team in the NFL for at the very least top backup money/early starter money. He was the face of the franchise for the Vikings the year before. That contract would have netted a 3rd round comp pick in 2020 if the Jets qualified. (which is typically equal to a late 4th round pick in 2019). That's exactly the trade's value, and more or less 'explains' the pricing of the trade. Here's the important thing to understand. Even if the Jets didn't actually qualify for picks that year, it doesn't matter to his net value b/c SOME other team would. So in other words if you trade your comp pick players away to another team that does qualify for the comp picks, they compensate you accordingly b/c they receive the benefit. There is a slight difference between the mid 4th round pick we got vs the late 4th round pick we would have received, and you can think of that as the value added by the trade. In any event, as you can see it was the signing in the first place that really gave the value and not the actual 'trade' perse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 7:42 PM, Hael said: We would have gotten a 3rd round comp pick. The trade itself was roughly what Teddy was worth, so it wasn’t a great ‘trade’ perse. The valuable thing was signing him in the first place, which I gather was largely of his own choosing and less a coup for a GM. But whatever, I consider it the best net win for us in Macs entire miserable career here He hadn’t played a game (outside of the last game of 2017) since 2016. Based on playing time alone I doubt he would have garnered a 3rd round compensatory pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hackenberg - Banned Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 2:30 PM, Hackenberg said: Teddy's gonna replace Brees in the Dallas game and break all your hearts looks like it already is happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hackenberg said: looks like it already is happening He’s not breaking anyone’s hearts. Except the Saints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: He’s not breaking anyone’s hearts. Except the Saints. the point is, everyone had them in SB. Tampa will win the division. I told you an injury was coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Should've kept him. A few of us said that at the time. Darnold was a rookie. Who knew if he would bust or not? FYI--jury still out on that. We were called wrong because we all know what kind of magic Macc could spin with those mid-round picks and because "Teddy will never accept a backup role in 2019." Welp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hackenberg said: the point is, everyone had them in SB. Tampa will win the division. I told you an injury was coming Hope TB don't get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsYanks13 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Go teddy, he’s in right now for the saints. A true class act and great guy!Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 5:38 PM, GreenFish said: If Edoga becomes the starting RT, this trade is easily a win. Teddy over Semien doesn’t make a difference. Plenty of reasons to dog Macc, trading Teddy for Edoga isn’t one of them. MAC will suck in eternity with or without the TB move. I have no issue with the move .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 NO looks awful without Brees 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 8:50 PM, Integrity28 said: If only someone had said all along that trading Teddy before we had evidence of Sam being a draft “hit” was stupid. If only. Me and you. Back-to-back in the fray. Fist bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 teddy is indeed a good guy... looking very pedestrian at QB now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 its shocking that Michael Thomas has not elevated teddy Bs game... horrendous by the WR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Teddy is a smart guy. Dolphins offered the starting job and he said no to remain the backup in NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 and now, true colors, unless the guys are REAL open, he holds the ball... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Why oh why did we trade Teddy?? I know why because we needed to get something for an asset we had. He is not worth a 3rd round pick. He is a backup QB at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Hes awful. One of macs best deals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 dinkin dunkin teddy b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 9/14/2019 at 12:02 PM, NoBowles said: I’ve always been A Teddy fan, and really wanted the Jets to draft him out of Louisville, the problem was we would have had to pay him this offseason or risk losing him for very little comp. I think the trade was fine, the person using the draft pick was the problem Never liked his arm. That includes at Louisville. Not a guy who takes a team on a deep playoff run in the pros....if he even gets there. If the Jets ever started the guy it would have been more “spinning of wheels, wasting time”...think you’ve seen enough of that...Sanchez, Fitzpatrick etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I did not want the Jets to trade Bridge. I was way wrong. A 3rd for him was a heist. Teddy stinks. The Saints fans are already calling for Taysom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, RoadFan said: I did not want the Jets to trade Bridge. I was way wrong. A 3rd for him was a heist. Teddy stinks. The Saints fans are already calling for Taysom. His receivers did not help him one bit, allot of dropped balls. We did good getting a 3rd though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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