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Eli is not good anymore?


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19 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Was he ever good besides a few nice moments?

have you seen his career TD/INT ratio? He’s also been the league leader in interceptions 3 times. He’s the type of guy you only win with when you have a really nice team around him. He doesn’t elevate players around him like his brother could do.

He's won 2 Super Bowls and has taken a beating his entire career. 

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2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

And Nick Young has 2 rings while Chris Paul doesn’t. Rings are cool. I watch the game and see the player for how he individually performs when I assess him and Eli ain’t it!

Are you a professional football talent evaluator?  

This isn't the abandoned warehouse Friday night open mic rap contest. 

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14 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

And Nick Young has 2 rings while Chris Paul doesn’t. Rings are cool. I watch the game and see the player for how he individually performs when I assess him and Eli ain’t it!

Two Super Bowl MVPs doesn't do it for you?

I agree that year in year out he hasn't been HOF caliber QB, but if I had a QB who led the Jets to two Super Bowls wins in 15 years, I wouldn't care if we never made the playoffs in the other 13. I'd still love the guy.

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Just now, 14 in Green said:

Two Super Bowl MVPs doesn't do it for you?

QB’s often times own those when they win a SB. This ain’t that hard.

 

1 minute ago, 14 in Green said:

agree that year in year out he hasn't been HOF caliber QB, but if I had a QB who led the Jets to two Super Bowls in 15 years, I wouldn't care if we never made the playoffs in the other 13. I'd still love the guy.

Understood but I’m not looking at it as a fan. Sure if my team won two with him under helm, I’d have something positive to say but he didn’t win anything for my team so my opinion stands on stats rather than feelings.

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2 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Two Super Bowl MVPs doesn't do it for you?

I agree that year in year out he hasn't been HOF caliber QB, but if I had a QB who led the Jets to two Super Bowls in 15 years, I wouldn't care if we never made the playoffs in the other 13. I'd still love the guy.

Eli was along for the ride and made some clutch plays in the process. I'd hardly call it "leading them to 2 Superbowls". He led them to two Superbowls the same way Sanchez led the Jets to two AFCCGs.

He won 2 Superbowls with the Giants. Their defense was the engine.

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1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Eli was along for the ride and made some clutch plays in the process. I'd hardly call it "leading them to 2 Superbowls". He led them to two Superbowls the same way Sanchez led the Jets to two AFCCGs.

He won 2 Superbowls with the Giants. Their defense was the engine.

And running game. 

Plus some incredible luck. The helmet catch? They don’t win without that.

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55 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Was he ever good besides a few nice moments?

have you seen his career TD/INT ratio? He’s also been the league leader in interceptions 3 times. He’s the type of guy you only win with when you have a really nice team around him. He doesn’t elevate players around him like his brother could do.

That's funny since Namath led the league four times in INTs and had 200 less TDs than Eli and only 19 less INTs.

There are definitely arguments that Eli has declined, but Jets fans should not be making this specific argument.

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1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Eli was along for the ride and made some clutch plays in the process. I'd hardly call it "leading them to 2 Superbowls". He led them to two Superbowls the same way Sanchez led the Jets to two AFCCGs.

He won 2 Superbowls with the Giants. Their defense was the engine.

Personally I've always thought Eli was overrated, and you're right about the Giants defense. But Eli played very well in those two playoff runs, and I give him credit for performing well when he was under the big lights on the biggest stage.

I expect you to come back and say how well their D played also, and I won't argue that. I'm just giving Eli credit for being a QB who came up clutch when everyone was watching.

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Just now, jgb said:

That's funny since Namath led the league four times in INTs and had 200 less TDs than Eli and only 19 less INTs.

Jets fans should not be making this argument.

Namath played when you could still sniff the QBs, and hit the WRs. Totally different game and it makes no sense to compare stats from the two eras like that.

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Just now, 14 in Green said:

Personally I've always thought Eli was overrated, and you're right about the Giants defense. But Eli played very well in those two playoff runs, and I give him credit for performing well when he was under the big lights on the biggest stage.

I expect you to come back and say how well their D played also, and I won't argue that. I'm just giving Eli credit for being a QB who came up clutch when everyone was watching.

I did give him credit for making some clutch plays.

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6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

QB’s often times own those when they win a SB. This ain’t that hard.

 

Be fair PK.

A game winning drive at the end of the game against an undefeated team in the Super Bowl is nothing to sneeze at. No matter how well his defense played. Or how "lucky" the Tyree and Manningham catches were.

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