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No way Robbie Anderson or Quincy make another NFL team's 1st or 2nd.   Every team seems to have 2 ~3 recievers that fights for the ball and make 1~2 incredible catches weekly bases...when have you seen Robbie or Quincy make tough catches in traffic consistantly or win 50/50 battles? Half of the teams 3rd recievers would beat out Robbie and Quincy.

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11 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

Did anyone see Julio Jones last night? Anyone who argues weapons don’t matter for a QB need their head examined or should just acknowledge they know nothing at all about football..... 

Big Ben has been nothing without his targets.....

Good WRs make a huge difference 

Good thing we have all those Patriots castoffs to fill out our roster then!

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21 minutes ago, Newjetsfan said:

No way Robbie Anderson or Quincy make another NFL team's 1st or 2nd.   Every team seems to have 2 ~3 recievers that fights for the ball and make 1~2 incredible catches weekly bases...when have you seen Robbie or Quincy make tough catches in traffic consistantly or win 50/50 battles? Half of the teams 3rd recievers would beat out Robbie and Quincy.

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9 minutes ago, pdxgreen said:

Good thing we have all those Patriots castoffs to fill out our roster then!

Not sure your point? Patriots are a complete anomaly, they cheat 

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JD found good receivers in Philadelphia.  He knows.  The Jets will need 3 years for Mac Recovery. 

In 2016 the choice was to take a chance on Will Fuller not draft a tiny-LB 

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Quincy was blossoming into a legit star in the league before his first neck injury. Robbie Anderson is a number 4 or 5 on any good NFL Roster...who would be cut after yielding useless on ST.

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Robby is a fringe 2, and on most decent offenses he'd probably just be the deep guy. Love the value we got in him as a UDFA but he has become too big a part of our offense considering his skill set.

The WR group needs an overhaul this off-season

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1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

Did anyone see Julio Jones last night? Anyone who argues weapons don’t matter for a QB need their head examined or should just acknowledge they know nothing at all about football..... 

Big Ben has been nothing without his targets.....

Good WRs make a huge difference 

When is the last time a top flight WR helped his team win a SB?  The QB is most important but obviously you need some talent around the QB (except in NE). With our O healthy we had enough to be a top 10 type O, it would have taken a little time in a new offense but we had talent.  We have less now and who knows when Sam is back but coming into the year we had plenty of talent.  It's not fair to judge our O based on one game with a QB playing with mono, an OL that never played a snap together, missing one of top weapons in pass game against a very good D.

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1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

Not sure your point? Patriots are a complete anomaly, they cheat 

 Thomas and Berrios not being very good.

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5 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

When is the last time a top flight WR helped his team win a SB?  The QB is most important but obviously you need some talent around the QB (except in NE). With our O healthy we had enough to be a top 10 type O, it would have taken a little time in a new offense but we had talent.  We have less now and who knows when Sam is back but coming into the year we had plenty of talent.  It's not fair to judge our O based on one game with a QB playing with mono, an OL that never played a snap together, missing one of top weapons in pass game against a very good D.

you don't think having josh gordon or antonio brown or randy moss or welker or edelman or troy brown or gronk are good talent for tommy boy?  the patsie receivers are deceptively good and know how to run plays that get themselves open.

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49 minutes ago, rangerous said:

you don't think having josh gordon or antonio brown or randy moss or welker or edelman or troy brown or gronk are good talent for tommy boy?  the patsie receivers are deceptively good and know how to run plays that get themselves open.

It's funny.  With Gordon and Brown and Edleman, that's definitely the best WR core they have had since Moss played for them.  The Pats weren't screwing around with what "might" be Brady's last ride.  They aren't even entertaining that they mght lose the SB.  Actually, it's not funny.  It's sad.

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1 hour ago, Newjetsfan said:

No way Robbie Anderson or Quincy make another NFL team's 1st or 2nd.   Every team seems to have 2 ~3 recievers that fights for the ball and make 1~2 incredible catches weekly bases...when have you seen Robbie or Quincy make tough catches in traffic consistantly or win 50/50 battles? Half of the teams 3rd recievers would beat out Robbie and Quincy.

Jets WR's are not good at all. Quincy is injured all the time. He only has 1 season with more than 450 yards recieving. Robby can only run in a straight line. He's a guy that is a perfect 3rd-4th wr, not a #1 that's for sure. Crowder is a good slot guy, but that's it. There's no young talent. That's why jets desperately needed to sign leveon bell. He's basically our only good player. The offense has been neglected for years. But hey let's keep drafting defensive lineman and safeties!

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31 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

When is the last time a top flight WR helped his team win a SB?  The QB is most important but obviously you need some talent around the QB (except in NE). With our O healthy we had enough to be a top 10 type O, it would have taken a little time in a new offense but we had talent.  We have less now and who knows when Sam is back but coming into the year we had plenty of talent.  It's not fair to judge our O based on one game with a QB playing with mono, an OL that never played a snap together, missing one of top weapons in pass game against a very good D.

Im not saying anything about top flight WR's. That said, you need WR's who can get off the line, run reliable routes, get open and can grab the ball out of the air. If you don't have that, it puts so much extra pressure on your QB. Im also not overreacting off of one game, and realize that it was one game. But that said, we don't have a strong WR group at all, in fact, I would argue its a very weak overall group especially with Q done. When Herndon comes back and with Bell, the QB whomever it may be will get some help, but our Wideouts are a weak group overall and that hurts any QB no matter how you slice it.

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46 minutes ago, rangerous said:

you don't think having josh gordon or antonio brown or randy moss or welker or edelman or troy brown or gronk are good talent for tommy boy?  the patsie receivers are deceptively good and know how to run plays that get themselves open.

Josh Gordon was last good 4-5 yrs ago.  He's played one game with brown, he turned around moss' career but only had him one healthy season, he made welker, Edelman, etc... Gronk was great but always hurt.  Remember when he got hurt in 16 and they still won the SB?  Remember Edelman out 2 years ago and they scored 33 pts in the SB?  Brady can wont with anyone.

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21 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

Im not saying anything about top flight WR's. That said, you need WR's who can get off the line, run reliable routes, get open and can grab the ball out of the air. If you don't have that, it puts so much extra pressure on your QB. Im also not overreacting off of one game, and realize that it was one game. But that said, we don't have a strong WR group at all, in fact, I would argue its a very weak overall group especially with Q done. When Herndon comes back and with Bell, the QB whomever it may be will get some help, but our Wideouts are a weak group overall and that hurts any QB no matter how you slice it.

I'd like a Julio Jones but I'd rather have a good QB and solid WRs than a lesser QB and better WRs.  We had more than enough talent to be a playoff team entering this season, we didn't have a ton of depth and we've had some injuries/illness.  This season is far from lost though it could be in a couple of weeks

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I have several thoughts.

1. There is a head coach deficiency in the NFL. There are either retreads or young green guys. You essentially have to get lucky and hope you land on somebody.

2. I have become less and less interested in the NFL. Partly because I work on Sundays and miss the games. But also there is a lot of bad quality. That roughing the passer call on Chubb yesterday? A joke. And it helped give the Bears the game. I don't know. I just don't see the entertainment of  the NFL anymore. Highlight plays are fun but the inbetween is kind of blah now

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1 hour ago, HessStation said:

Quincy was blossoming into a legit star in the league before his first neck injury. Robbie Anderson is a number 4 or 5 on any good NFL Roster...who would be cut after yielding useless on ST.

Quincy was never turning into a star lmao 

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2 hours ago, Newjetsfan said:

No way Robbie Anderson or Quincy make another NFL team's 1st or 2nd.   Every team seems to have 2 ~3 recievers that fights for the ball and make 1~2 incredible catches weekly bases...when have you seen Robbie or Quincy make tough catches in traffic consistantly or win 50/50 battles? Half of the teams 3rd recievers would beat out Robbie and Quincy.

Enunwa's career is probably over, and he never amounted to anything really.  Good for him, at least he got paid a ton for the (very) little he provided on-field.  Beyond that, he's probably not worth discussing anymore.

Anderlols is a "nice to have" #3/#4 on most teams.  The "deep guy" that a big-armed QB can use once in a while for a big gainer or reverse or the like.  He is no one's #1 WR in this league.  Leaning on him to be a legit #1 is a fools errand.

We're not a very talented team at WR. 

That is what a literal decade+ of repeated misses at drafting WR's does to a team.  We could man an entire roster full of Jets WR draft busts of the past few front office regimes.

Hopefully the era of ultra-priority of Defense is coming to an end, and Douglas will at least give a 50/50 priority of high-value picks to the Offense, especially the Line and the WR position.

One can dream.

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9 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I'd like a Julio Jones but I'd rather have a good QB and solid WRs than a lesser QB and better WRs.  We had more than enough talent to be a playoff team entering this season, we didn't have a ton of depth and we've had some injuries/illness.  This season is far from lost though it could be in a couple of weeks

Of course you take the good QB over all else, that goes without saying, but whether it be a Julio Jones, or a group of solid receivers, that makes the QB's job look a lot easier and also makes the QB look a lot better, no matter how good they are. 

I don't think we have a playoff type roster, I think we have the type of roster that if everything breaks perfectly, everyone stays healthy, and Sam progresses we could possibly sneak into a 9-7 wildcard spot. Pretty much none of that has happened so far this season, so barring a bug surprise, we are much more likely to be looking at another top 10 pick than a playoff spot.

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Just now, NoBowles said:

I don't think we have a playoff type roster, I think we have the type of roster that if everything breaks perfectly, everyone stays healthy, and Sam progresses we could possibly sneak into a 9-7 wildcard spot. Pretty much none of that has happened so far this season, so barring a bug surprise, we are much more likely to be looking at another top 10 pick than a playoff spot.

Nailed it. If they stayed healthy, they were a 7 to 9 win team. Hell an injury wrecked their first game (Mosley). 

They haven't and they're down in the pits.

Drafting, Drafting, Drafting.

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55 minutes ago, Jet Life said:

Quincy is a jag with bad hands who hasn't produced in 3 years, you are correct

He's done now anyway, but that is 100% correct.  Enunwa was incredibly overrated by this fan base.  

He is a JAG who drops a lot of passes.  

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Just now, FidelioJet said:

He's done now anyway, but that is 100% correct.  Enunwa was incredibly overrated by this fan base.  

He is a JAG who drops a lot of passes.  

And that was Idzik's best draft pick. Let's think about that for a moment

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6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

And that was Idzik's best draft pick. Let's think about that for a moment

Quincy & Winters, OMG, and we wonder why we suck. A blind monkey with darts throwing at BPA dart board for every pick over the last 10 years wouldn't have been any worse & that's not an over exaggeration. 

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2 hours ago, Newjetsfan said:

No way Robbie Anderson or Quincy make another NFL team's 1st or 2nd.   Every team seems to have 2 ~3 recievers that fights for the ball and make 1~2 incredible catches weekly bases...when have you seen Robbie or Quincy make tough catches in traffic consistantly or win 50/50 battles? Half of the teams 3rd recievers would beat out Robbie and Quincy.

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18 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

He's done now anyway, but that is 100% correct.  Enunwa was incredibly overrated by this fan base.  

He is a JAG who drops a lot of passes.  

Dude got the Jericho cotchery homer love for years .. Atleast cotchery physical limitations and all he was still productive . 

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36 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

Of course you take the good QB over all else, that goes without saying, but whether it be a Julio Jones, or a group of solid receivers, that makes the QB's job look a lot easier and also makes the QB look a lot better, no matter how good they are. 

I don't think we have a playoff type roster, I think we have the type of roster that if everything breaks perfectly, everyone stays healthy, and Sam progresses we could possibly sneak into a 9-7 wildcard spot. Pretty much none of that has happened so far this season, so barring a bug surprise, we are much more likely to be looking at another top 10 pick than a playoff spot.

If they stayed healthy (or get healthy) they could have/could win 10 games.  Unless Sam can't play they won't have a top 10 pick.  People always overreact to week 1.  Remember week 1 last year?  It's 1 game.

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