pdxgreen Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Bad ownership plus bad management is a killer. Hopefully that changes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac-Attack Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 The curse of Joe Namath. He made a deal with the devil so he could win the super bowl against all odds. The curse is that the Jets won't win until Joe Namath dies, then the curse will be broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 You have made an impression in the Jets Suck thread on the Pats board... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Let's get one thing clear. They don't suck EVERY year. They've sucked for most of this decade. Not "Every" year They are never favorites! When have they ever been a favorite going into the season to win anything? Divisions? Conference m? Super bow?!!!’ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Simple. Bad owners hire bad GM's, who make poor decisions with the roster. Mike Maccagnan was about to get fired by the Texans before the Johnson's hired him. And it took a military coup by our sh*tty HC with a 23-27 career record to finally get rid of that GM. The last good drafts this team has had were 2006 and '07. And that's because every single GM the Johnson's have hired has been absolutely awful. Until you stop giving them money, they aren't bad owners. Everything done in the front office was intended by design. There are no mistakes. The Jets are simply unimportant to the leagues 100 year anniversary. The uniform change was a branding and a hint to this failure. The perfect storm Mono Injured back up Other injuries Bad, new coach New Era Same as the old era 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Don't be surprised if this team gets moved to Oakland or somewhere else. Within 10 or 20 years 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: Like even the Cleveland cavs won the nba finals, Miami Marlins have won a couple World Series. The Jets are terrible literally every season. Mathematically it doesn’t make sense. They have never been super bowl favorites coming into a season except maybe 99. Just bad every year no matter what. Eventually they have to be good, right? In my humble opinion, it comes down to ownership. It almost feels as if they like to skimp out on paying coaches. The only coach with NFL experience hired by the Johnsons, has been Gase. He has a losing record and in comparison, he came at an affordable rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: They are never favorites! When have they ever been a favorite going into the season to win anything? Divisions? Conference m? Super bow?!!!’ Not to mention a lousy overall record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 It's just 2 things really: 1. Bad players 2. Bad coaches Maybe Namath's deal Lucifer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Adoni Beast said: Don't spend $ on them. Regardless of what other people say, you can still root for the team and not spend $. Would you buy a car that has repeatedly broken down with each model they made for the last decade? Of course not. Root from away. Dont waste money or emotion on this rotten franchise until they field an actual competitive team. I give my sons the “Mickey Mantle won’t pay our rent” all the time. No sense emotionally attaching yourself to a team. Root, get excited, curse when they’re losing, but once the games over, don’t stress. Impossible. Rooting for a team means emotional investment. There’s no other way to root. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, DonCorleone said: In my humble opinion, it comes down to ownership. It almost feels as if they like to skimp out on paying coaches. The only coach with NFL experience hired by the Johnsons, has been Gase. He has a losing record and in comparison, he came at an affordable rate. That’s because they’re always paying two coaches and GM’s. Right now they’re paying Bowles and Macagnan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 The JohnsonsAnd Hess...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Even the years we made back to back afc championship games we were always the underdogs in all those playoff games. When will the Jets ever be the favorites??? Never!!How many times does the team who is favored to win the superbowl in week two actually win it?Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 17 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: I’ve pretty much given up at this point. I’ll give them another 2 games and then I’m doing something else with my Sundays. It is a collosal waste of time thinking this franchise will ever be good. It won’t change for a few years. This team is bereft of talent at nearly every position. This roster is like paying $20 for a $1 chicken McNugget. It needs to be wiped clean. There’s just a handful of players worth keeping. They might as well clean house ala Fins and compile draft picks. Get what you can for these high priced average players and bums like Adams, Leo, Maye, Beach, Winters, Tru, etc etc. Start playing the kids. At least they’re hungry and are younger. Get them playing time. See what you got. Now is the time to act, not sit back until next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Hackenberg said: Don't be surprised if this team gets moved to Oakland or somewhere else. Within 10 or 20 years You looking to get back in the negative column I see ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackenberg - Banned Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: You looking to get back in the negative column I see ? Well, they moved Oakland.Rams,Chargers, Colts, Browns, Titans. Nothing is sacred. Not for us peasants anyway 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedGreen91 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 10 hours ago, JetPotato said: I'm done til next year at the earliest. We are dealing with a lethal combination of an inept ownership group, poor football people, and a boring, rigged version of the NFL. There's not a single reason to watch. If they kicked the living sh*t out of Brady and sent him to the hospital that would be a reason to watch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 15 hours ago, Xtina said: That’s because they’re always paying two coaches and GM’s. Right now they’re paying Bowles and Macagnan. good point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 12:33 AM, Rhg1084 said: Like even the Cleveland cavs won the nba finals, Miami Marlins have won a couple World Series. The Jets are terrible literally every season. Mathematically it doesn’t make sense. They have never been super bowl favorites coming into a season except maybe 99. Just bad every year no matter what. Eventually they have to be good, right? Losing breeds losing. Its one thing when you don't make the playoffs for a couple of years while you re-tool. Its another when you don't make the playoffs for 10 years. That kind of rut starts digging itself deeper to get out of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 It’s called bad ownership. Jets won’t win anything until they sell the teamSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 And here's one more reason how the ownership of the Jets is hurting the franchise. There is a QB out there who is better than any of the scrubs on the team or that happen to be available for the Jets or anyone to sign, but he won't be signed. 72 TDs to 30 INTs 90.7 QBR but the man who is the owner of the Jets is working for a man who would simply not allow him to sign him to the team. Just one more in the long line of examples of how Woody Johnson's politics get in the way of his hobby as an NFL team owner. Imagine the tweet storm by a certain unnamed President if the Jets were to sign Colin Kaepernick, the Ambassador to Britain could NEVER allow THAT to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Team needs to nail at least 2-3 years of the NFL draft 3-4 good starters per draft and things will change quickly here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 There is no question that the Jets Front Office/Coaching budget has been lower than other teams’ since Parcells. Gase probably came in at a decent price. But Douglas really stuck it to them, and I am sure GW gets paid well. The Hobbit does not-my guess is that there was not a budget for him. After JD improves the roster, Gase will be replaced by someone who costs real money. I think CJ gets it now, but the damage has been done. They will not look to eat Gase’ contract until JD has built a team that another real coach wants to coach. So they will stick with Gase so long as he can be remotely competent. Gase has not been competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Bad owners, incompetent GM's, the league worst head coaches, sh*tty roster - nobody wants to play here, nobody wants to coach here, nobody wants to work here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1. Drafting poor players 2. Drafting players that play non-impactful positions. In particular using our highest picks on defensive players 3. Hiring (and continuing to employ) defensive-minded head coaches 4. Failing to support the quarterback (this goes back to point #2) The Jets have literally been a decade or more behind NFL trends (i.e. you need to score points to win; you need a talented quarterback to do that; you need to make supporting that quarterback your absolute priority). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, JiF said: Bad owners, incompetent GM's, the league worst head coaches, sh*tty roster - nobody wants to play here, nobody wants to coach here, nobody wants to work here. That about covers it. Also, Fireman Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdReed22 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Bad Ownership, Bad Management, Bad Coaching, Bad Scouting, Bad Players Signed, Bad Players Drafted. We lately go draft workout warriors, or injured players who have very little to no college production. We go by the BPA, method. Even if we have 20 DT's. Well he was the best player available. We have a QB of the future. We got an All-Pro guard in Brian Freaking Winters, who cant run block or pass block his own shadow, a LT who gets bullrushed and tossed like a rag doll from a guy who weights 40 pounds less than him. We cant land a young up and coming player in free agency. We give out chunks of money to has been, check depositing players past their prime like Revis and Johnson. We neglect our biggest needs for loud mouth, non game changing, so called culture changing leaders, and stat padders like Adams, or injured players like Maye. JD needs to get rid of everyone that doesn't give full effort and doesn't make game changing plays. Good riddance, 10 plus years without a pass rushing DE. No game changer in the defensive backfield. No one on offense besides Bell to cause fear into the apposing defenses. No Mauler offensive linemen to pancake someone consistently. No wideout, that can make crazy catches like Nuke, and Julio. We don't need a O'Dell or Landry. We need a wide out who makes plays and hands the ball to the ref. Tired of these loud obnoxious, me, me, me, players who think they deserve huge deals without taking the team on their backs to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JetPotato Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 18 hours ago, bealeb319 said: How many times does the team who is favored to win the superbowl in week two actually win it? Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app You're right. We're so lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjets1969 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Bad ownership The Johnson boys want to run the team they want yes men. That's why they passed on Mcarthy. I think they thought Gase would be easy to control. Joe Douglas has the ability to turn this around I doubt the Johnson boys allow it I see him gone. Personally love to see Douglas fire Gase and bring his own man in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 To me, a great symbol of the bad drafting by Mac was in the 2018 draft. The Jets had traded three second round picks to move up (two in that draft), and then grabbed Darnold, the supposed franchise QB of the future. They had a lousy OL that had been neglected for years as guys like Brick and Mangold (both former 1st round picks) retired, etc. So, it was time to BUILD AROUND THE YOUNG QB you just spent 3 premium picks to move up for. So, what does Mac do in the 3rd round? Draft yet ANOTHER DT. Nathan Shepherd. We often talk about all the DTs picked in the first round, yet Mac also totally blew this pick, taking a rather "old" small school DT instead of immediately grabbing the best OL or WR on the board. Now, the 4th round pick looks good, but picking Shepherd at 3 just symbolizes the horrible strategy and pick selection of Mac that the Jets suffered from for his 4 odd years. And that following the lousy drafting of Idzik. That's why the Jets suck and will continue to do so until we have a GM that makes a much higher % of smart picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 12:33 AM, Rhg1084 said: Like even the Cleveland cavs won the nba finals, Miami Marlins have won a couple World Series. The Jets are terrible literally every season. Mathematically it doesn’t make sense. They have never been super bowl favorites coming into a season except maybe 99. Just bad every year no matter what. Eventually they have to be good, right? " How is it possible the Jets suck every year " ?.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 On 9/17/2019 at 12:14 PM, pdxgreen said: Bad ownership plus bad management is a killer. Hopefully that changes. The Johnsons are the worst ownership in the nfl They had a couple good years with Rex, then threw him under the bus and have been whiffing every chance since Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 9 hours ago, TheClashFan said: To me, a great symbol of the bad drafting by Mac was in the 2018 draft. The Jets had traded three second round picks to move up (two in that draft), and then grabbed Darnold, the supposed franchise QB of the future. They had a lousy OL that had been neglected for years as guys like Brick and Mangold (both former 1st round picks) retired, etc. So, it was time to BUILD AROUND THE YOUNG QB you just spent 3 premium picks to move up for. So, what does Mac do in the 3rd round? Draft yet ANOTHER DT. Nathan Shepherd. We often talk about all the DTs picked in the first round, yet Mac also totally blew this pick, taking a rather "old" small school DT instead of immediately grabbing the best OL or WR on the board. Now, the 4th round pick looks good, but picking Shepherd at 3 just symbolizes the horrible strategy and pick selection of Mac that the Jets suffered from for his 4 odd years. And that following the lousy drafting of Idzik. That's why the Jets suck and will continue to do so until we have a GM that makes a much higher % of smart picks. Mac, Idzik, Douglas, Gase, Bowles, trading for Tebow, giving Wilk, Revis and Trumaine a quarter billion, changing the uniforms for no real reason It all goes back to the Johnsons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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