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1 minute ago, TheClashFan said:

The OL will have to get much better if the Jets are to win 6 or more games.  I don't think they will, but I hope the OP is right. The second half schedule looks "easy" now, but that might change in a few weeks.

I think this was always going to be an evaluate and rebuild year, esp. once JD was hired.  There are huge ?? to be answered, inc. one about the quality of Gase. 

Well, Jax and Steelers are not getting their QBs back... and I love Porn Stash but his air raid style is going to be stopped... Rudolph will show why he dropped to the 3rd round because has a hard time reading defenses...

Giants have a rookie QB that will be swimming by then... Miami has a high school football team... Bills are beatable as the Jets showed in week 1... None of these things will change

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3 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

FO has us at an 8.2% chance of making the playoffs.  That sounds pretty fair right now.

And? statistics are just that... Great to use for gambling but never tell the full story.

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3 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

 The Jets have one of the lowest levels of talent in the NFL, plus they're injured and don't appear to be coached well.

 

Sounds like a playoff team to me!

 

Says who? You? They have Bell one of the best backs in the league. Mosley one of the best LBs in the league... Maye and Adams.. and a Franchise QB with a 2nd year TE that showed promise... not to mention RA and Crowder... Is there OL below average... yes is there depth below average yes but has been getting better... So please tell me how they have the lowest level of talent in the league... 

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2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

2 weeks in and your 11-5 and AFC East championship prediction is gone.

You have now moved to 7-6 and maybe the playoffs.

Dont you think its time to leave the prediction business?

Well unlike you ... He must have forgotten to factor in the Mono into his prediction.

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1 minute ago, EdReed22 said:

Only in Madden or in your dreams. Bell, Mosley and Darnold are the only players to build your team around that are stars and game changers, or playmakers. Please stop with Adams, Maye, Williams. They haven't done squat. They are only talkers, not performers. You ever noticed bell yapp too much or Mosley. No they let their play do the talking. Learn to be humble new age kids. Its all about the pub you get, the glitz, glamor. Act like you made a play before.

 

Our O-Line is a disaster and wouldn't be even backups on a playoff contender (Maybe Shell, Osemele). We got no Wideouts worth having besides Robby, no TE's and one Rb. Who is our entire offense.

Herndon is a player... Crowder is a very good slot and RA can take the top off a defense... never thought they were all franchise players but please... these players can still play and play well.

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15 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Saying the Jets have an 8.2% chance of making the playoffs is neither a statistic nor an attempt to “tell the full story.”

I don't think you realize what a statistic is

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5 minutes ago, EdReed22 said:

Herndon is young and decent. I didn't see Crowder make a big play when we need him. For this team to be successful they need game breakers like a Julio Jones. You don't get guys like that as UDFA. You have big kahoonas and you stop drafting underperformers or one year wonders in college. You draft playmakers, who love the game more than the money. Who don't do a lot of talking, but do it through their actions meaning they play big, and make big plays when it counts. I only see two playmakers, and game changers. One if Bell and the other is Mosley. Both are free agents.

Players like Jamal Adams, O'Dell Beckum Jr, Landry etc., act as if they are the main reason people watch football. Child please there have been better players before you cats were even born and better now and after your showboats are out of the NFL. None of these guys have performed deep into the playoffs. Mosley and Bell have.

 

We need to draft more of Mosley, Bell types and less of Adams, Beckum, Landy etc types.

I don't disagree... they need a lot more talent on this team... the depth is weak... but they are not the worst team in the league in terms of talent at this moment. Again... I agree with you... and I am not saying the Jets are winning a Superbowl... but ignoring the talent they do have is also a disservice. 

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4 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

If only I could be as knowledgeable as you seem to think you are.

Dude, seriously... Come on... at least admit when you are wrong... 

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15 minutes ago, EdReed22 said:

We are a disaster. I don't like Gase. I like Greg WIlliams. He benches players who do not perform or act up. Gas should not only benched Kalil but also Winters, and Beachum Jr. for getting his QB killed. I am shocked Bell has been effective given how bad the O-Line has played. Faulk will not do so well against the Pats. He doesn't have a WR who can get separation, or a TE right now who can catch consistent passes or a O-Line that can block their own shadow. It's a disaster of a start to the season. Please save SAM. IR him for the year and build dept. Maybe, we can trade the players for picks also.

I get it... I watch too... I am also not overreacting to the first 2 games. I thought they had a chance at 10-11 wins with such an easy schedule.. but now losing 2 games they should have won they have their work cut out for them to stay in the playoff race. 

I get it... you don't like Gase... well this is part of the problem here... you are blinded by your hatred. But I am also starting to dislike him... OL needs to get better but part of that is the QB directing traffic... Sam has to be better about telling where he needs his line to block... as for the CLE game... the QB is part of the problem not directing extra protection... Now I hated some of the play calling and it seems the team stalls when Siemian was in ... Herndon is a very good blocker who will be back for the Cowboy game. This will help the OL. Crowder was open all day in the Bills game and Darnold missed wide open RA on multiple plays which would have changed the whole dynamic about the QB and the team overall. He hits even one of those and this whole forum would have a different attitude.

Williams teams ball and I love that. Maybe he overtakes Gase, but that Bills game is a win if Sam played at 100%. And then Browns game was very winnable even till the 4th quarter and they had no offense... Sam playing without mono the Jets are 2-0

@SAR I is right... without the starters this team looks like a 0 win team... with the starters they should still make playoffs

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2 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

 

I thought this was a 6-10 team coming out of PS: 

 

 

 

 

Got it... So now they are a 5 win team? because I bet you thought they were losing to the Browns either way

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14 minutes ago, EdReed22 said:

Jamal Adams will stop them by running his big mouth, little to no game changing plays in the 3 years he's been in the league.. He will attempt to over run the play, only to be face planted by Alex Smith type QB and allow a 70 run for a touchdown and then finger wag like Kyle Wilson haha.

I can't stand his mouth either... The reason he is so valuable is that he is smart at football and can play virtually any position on Def...

Now, before you flame me for how bad he is at his job... please realize I did not say he is the top performer at his position but he has the versatility to play every position and is smart enough to know what to do. This makes him very valuable to a team that has playmakers at the opposite safety position, CB or Edge... which the Jets don't have. So yes, he is overrated at parts of his job, he is underrated as a whole....

If the Jets had a real actual playmaker on Def. this would be a top 5 unit... problem is that Adams and even Mosley are extremely valuable but not game changers. Well I guess you can say Mosley was a game changer because the defense didn't know how to function without him but that shouldn't be what I am describing. Hewitt filled in nicely with his absence... 

Pieces like Leo and Anderson are NFL talent that take up space... and you need those players too.

But a Derwin James or a Mack or Miller... these are game changers... you add one of those here... it would be nice.

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9 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

I'm not, but it's cool.

8.2% chance to make playoffs is not a statistic???

Quote

 

statistic

n.

A numerical piece of information.

n.

A calculated numerical value (such as the sample mean) that characterizes some aspect of a sample set of data, and that is often meant to estimate the true value of a corresponding parameter (such as the population mean) in an underlying population.

n.

One viewed solely as a piece of statistical or numerical information.

More at Wordnik  from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

 

Ummmm ok?

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57 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

Before the season I thought they'd go 1-5 winning the Browns game. Now they're definitely going 0-6.

 

They can win at JAC, NYG, MIA, @MIA, LAR, @CIN

 

 

Steelers, Bills. They basically beat the Bills if Sam is 100% or Mosley doesn't get injured... So I think they have about the same shot in week 17 and Steelers look good but Rudolph is limited... all depends on how good they game plan for him,.

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31 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

Context matters.  We're talking on a football message board, where statistics are measures of performance on a football field.

Anyway, as you've been so brutally wrong with all your takes, sounds like you could use this win.  It's yours.  I'll even make you a certificate if you like.

There is no context needed... you rattled off a ratio and I said who cares about statistics and you are the one that tried to correct me until I proved you wrong... Come on dude seriously... Do you argue just to argue...

I get it... you think I am overly optimistic and because I don't jump on the world is on fire the Jets will have the number 1 pick band wagon... I am automatically wrong.

When the Jets finish in the playoffs or just short I will remember that you told me that I am brutally wrong on all my takes.. and how right you are.

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15 minutes ago, EdReed22 said:

I agree 100% with everything you said. He's a jack of all trades but not great at one thing. He is great at talking a big game, anointing himself as a great player. I am like child please STF up. You got to the pro bowl as an alternative. Besides sacks, tackles a few fumble recoveries he hasn't made any game changing plays. We need the James, Mack, Miller, Ed Reed, Earl Thomas, Chancellor, Keuchly type players.

Every year we should draft a O Linemen within the first 3 rounds build dept there. We lack so much game changing talent. You would think even by mistake with the amount of draft picks we have had. We would get one by mistake. Nope not our freaking Jets.

He is Kam Chancellor with a mouth... now we need richard sherman and earl thomas... and maybe if may stays healthy he could be that earl thomas... and all we need is Sherman and an Irving... but ******* TJ... what a waste of money.

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15 minutes ago, JimJaime said:

Ok lets look at the match ups:

 

week 3: AT NE  -- I doubt anyone had this as a W BEFORE Darnold went down and now well...  (L)  (0-3)

Week 5  AT Philly -- Another one I had as a toss up, but at best Darnolds first game back and Rusty (I doubt he is back)  (L)  (0-4)

Week 6  Dallas --Another very good team, and if im honest I dont expect Darnold back until week 7 because another D who could Hurt him (he isnt going be as strong right after Mono) so I say (L)  (0-5)

 

WEEK 7  NE --- Ugh they will be rolling by this point, they always are Darnold makes his debut and keeps it close. but we Lose on a 2 minute drive by Brady  (L)  (0-6)

 

Week 8 -- @ Jacksonville -- Darnold is more like himself and the Jets roll to a hard but well earned W.  (w) (1-6)

 

Week 9 @ Miami -- Easy W... Phins are awful  (2-6)

 

Week 10 Giants  A hard game again this time Darnold shows his Magic and leads a game winning drive in the 4th.. topped off by a D stop (3-6)

 

Week 11@ Washington -- D dominates and O starts to really move 3 TD for Bell (4-6)  (this place starts get positive)

 

week 12 Oakland -- D stops oakland all game and Darnold manages a couple score (w) (5-6)

 

week 13@ cinci Our D isnt playing well as the Bengals march up and down the field but so does Darnold.. game won by 22 yard FG (w) (6-6)

 

week 14 Miami -- again easy W  (7-6 and this place has playoff fever, wildcard only since Pats locked division already)

 

week 15 @Baltimore Our O is stuffed no where to go.. our D holds but gives up on Jackson run for a TD (l)  (7-7)

 

week 16 Pitt Pitts QB Rudolph plays well as does Darnold... game won by Jets 22 yard FG (8-7)

 

Week 17 @ buffalo Winner goes to the playoffs... Bills D stuffs our O as does our D to their O.  We lose on 58 yard FG and miss the playoffs.  (8-8)

 

Anything i got wrong?? 

I'd switch out washington to a L and Bills a W... I think Cowboys are winnable... and the second NE game with Sam back at full strength, Eagles will be tough even if he is healthy since he is rushing back.

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3 minutes ago, JimJaime said:

second Pats game is a Monday night game.. and well the Jets dont do good under the lights.. 

Come on... This is where statistics are insufferable... what does that have to do with this team and this coach and these players... You mean to tell me that because past players and coaches did something that, this has anything to do with this team?

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4 minutes ago, EdReed22 said:

Kam Chancellor with a mouth....I don't think so. Kam gets picks, he puts fears into the opposing teams. Jamal hugs and jokes with them. Jamal is a clown. An attention seeking clown. He is a good player, but NOT GREAT. He didn't have college production that would warrant the 6th pick. A 6th pick should be a game changer. That is not, nor will be. He is limited athletically. He cant run really fast and God forbid he takes a bad angle. He lacks speed to catch up. He is basically a line backer playing strong safety. I honestly wanted us to draft Malik Hooker. Compare their stats, Malik is a better cover man. We need a run stuffer Vontez Miles can do that for you. He has the same amount of interceptions in his career as Jamal does while playing less on defense.

0 picks his first year, 4 his second... 0 his 3 year... Kam then was steady 1 or 2 picks a year for the rest of his career... that is not a ball hawk or game changer... he was a hard hitter like Jamal... knew his assignments well, like Jamal.. 

I agree with the attitude issues but come on now... Adams and Kam are more similar then you think.

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13 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Zero chance we beat the boys

Ok noted... Cowboys aren't as good as they looked in weeks 1 and 2... they played 2 teams that are going to be picking top 5 in the draft.

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10 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Sam Darnold has showed nothing to think he could lead a 1-5 team to get to 10-6 or 9-7.  The Colts did it but they had andrew luck in his 6th year in the league.

Darnold couldnt complete a pass more then 3 yards and now he is going to dominate the league starting week 7?

There is zero room for error to go from 1-5 to a playoff team.  Thats not happening w/ sam darnold at qb.  There are going to be lots of growing pains.

This is reasonable take... I get it... We as fans are looking to Sam to be the QB he was drafted to be... He needs to be Watson, Maholmes... if he's not then this franchise is not going to win a Superbowl for another 10-15 years. That's just the truth... The team depth around this kid is barely NFL level... sure he has pieces IF they stay healthy... This is not going to be fixed in an offseason...

My fear is that Darnold turns out to be Trubisky which is going to doom Bears for the next 10 years trying to win around him... They have a top 3 defense and a cheap but good RB and an allstar WR and I am not sure they are going to make the playoffs.

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4 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

Fun fact: the Jets are currently picking #2 OVR

Fun fact: They started a QB with Mono and played a game with a 3rd string QB... of course they are going to be at the bottom of the league now... and even with that... They are not even close to #1 pick.

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13 minutes ago, thshadow said:

I can't believe you guys are arguing over semantics, but for the record, you're wrong.  Statistics analyzes and interprets existing data.  Like 0-2 is a statistic, or averaging -3 passing yards per attempt.  8.2% is a probability.

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And my MIT professor would have argued that 8.2% isn't even a probability, because "the Jets making the playoffs this year" is a 1-time event, not something that can be repeated - but that's a more philosophical question.

 

 

statistic

n.

A numerical piece of information.

I am not arguing if he is using statistics versus probability ... I am saying that data point is a statistic... different.. A statistic is any numerical piece of information... as defined above... 

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5 hours ago, SAR I said:

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Just a matter of time until this happens again.  See, when you have a QB that's a turnover machine and thinks he's Barry Sanders, bad things happen.  RGIV isn't going to last.  Pity.  I liked your uniforms and everything.

SAR I

 

18 minutes ago, Mastenpark said:

Yep and got another win this week. Learning and winning feels great over here. Lets hope Darnold can get his 1st this week to bring total to 5 in 17 games played.

Jets cant even put Darnold in the best position to succeed. 

 

Real Stats... Just saying

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45 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Not going to shoot you.  I'm going to ask which 8-9 games you see us winning going forward, knowing what we know so far.

Cowboys, Jags, Miami (2), Bills, Cincy, Wash, Giants, Raiders.

Lose to Ravens, Steelers and NE

 

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28 minutes ago, Warfish said:

So we'll beat the 4-1 Bills in Buffalo in late December with our Sunshine Kid at QB (when was the last Jets win in Buffalo in December.....)

But we won't beat the 1-4, #4 QB Play'in Steelers at Home?

You know what's funny, was listening to local radio this morning lamenting the sorry state of the Redskins, and they were doing a similar schedule look-over and not finding much.

Till they got to the Jets, where they all laughed, said how horrible they were, and penciled that is as one easy win amongst what looks like almost all losses going forward for the Redskins.

Funny how other cities see us vs. how we see us.  Every team on that "win" list, apart from Miami, sees the Jets as an easy win.  Every one of them.  And you all have us beating 9 of 12 of them.  Lol.

Course, this is the same forum who was sh*ttalking to the extreme before the first Bills game too.....

Ok... I get it... What have they shown... Nothing.. You asked who and I gave you who I thought. Steelers are going to be tough in their building. Maybe its the Bills they lose to in game 17 but the Jets had that game won in game 1 with a decent kicker or a healthy Sam. Sam missed multiple deep throws by under-throwing RA. Based off past performances of Sam... He doesn't typically miss those deep balls. The Fatigue showed in my opinion.

The next few weeks will show a lot about this team. Who they are and which direction they are going.. I know your feeling and most of the board and NFL fans but watching Sam last year, the strides he made from game 1 to game 17 he was a very different QB. He improved a lot. Yes there are OLine issues but the Jets are literally playing some of the worst teams in the league and Sam moves so much and throws on the run so well that it will hid a lot of those issues.  Plus playing these terrible teams will mean less pass rush simply because they aren't the Pats, Bills, Browns, and Eagles D... 

I have watched and see the problems... I know the majority of fans think this is a huge failure. Let's see how the next few weeks play out before you dismiss this projection entirely.

Nobody has seen this team whole yet. So they are basing everything off of a team of back-ups that have no depth. Look, I know players will get injured and this team can win 1 or 2 games but as long as they stay relatively healthy for the rest of the year then I see 9 wins.

Wash, Cincy and Miami are in Historical bad territory... But they don't have a QB... Jets do... Its that simple. We just haven't seen him fully healthy playing this year. Those are guaranteed 4 wins. IMO.

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A lot of SOJF on this thread doubting the fact that the Jets can beat the Cowboys.  Well, it happened. Now all those 'Voices of Reason'... that said it was impossible can at least contemplate how wrong they truly were.

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4 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said:

A lot of SOJF on this thread doubting the fact that the Jets can beat the Cowboys.  Well, it happened. Now all those 'Voices of Reason'... that said it was impossible can at least contemplate how wrong they truly were.

I just disagreed heavily with the 0% chance crowd, of which there were many... now they are running and hiding behind... Dallas gave them the win, Dallas was without XY and Z, they nearly lost, they let them back in the game, they would have lost if their kicker could make a 38 yard FG after making a 62 yarder... These are the same narratives for the Bills game in the other direction.

Although the box score was close and Dallas had a chance to tie the game at the end, this was domination from start to finish. Jets led wire to wire. The Jets also went to make this game unreachable by continuing to be aggressive and Sam threw a momentum swinging INT in the Red Zone that gave Dallas hope. In the end, the Jets won.

Everyone should be happy. On to Pats....

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8 minutes ago, RevisIsland610 said:

I don't know if anybody said it was impossible but there were a lot of doubters including myself. I did not believe that even Darnold could make such a huge difference on what was trainwreck of an offense for 3 weeks. I thought there would be marked improvement but the difference was stunning. 

There were a lot of posters claiming that there is no shot in hell that they could pull off a victory, I think 1 poster even talked about eating his own goo if that happened... disgusting

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17 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

One game, Darnold was the difference but it does not deduct from what I saw for the first 4 games.

0-16 is now out! So that was wrong... They have no chance at the #1 pick.

So you think 1-15, now? or you moving it up to 4-12? You are the one making these asinine predictions. Just getting your feeling now that they are nowhere near as bad as you make them out to be.

And that 1 game was against a team everyone here claimed to be top 10 in both offense and defense.

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On 10/16/2019 at 9:22 AM, jgb said:

Why is changing a prediction considered a sign of weakness? Everyone predicted it would rain today here. I woke up this morning and the sky was cloudless so I didn’t wear a raincoat. Am I an idiot for not wearing the coat anyway rather that saying “oh wow circumstances changed now I don’t think it will rain after all.”

Because you and @BurnleyJet are on here, on every thread 'predicting' that' the Jets are the worst team in the league and they are going to struggle to beat anyone... Yet, the positive crowd was more on the lets wait and see what Sam does before we go down that route.  Now, after they clearly proved how much better they are with Sam then without, the asinine prediction that they are the worst team in the league looks like a terrible prediction and should never even been a prediction to begin with. 

It proves everything I have been saying in regards to this team. For example Colts with Peyton Manning, competed for playoffs every year, colts without Manning got the first overall pick. Also, the 'Drs.' on this forum that claim he needed to sit out all season. I think that narrative is finally out the window.

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