Oline Schematically Awful

[#27TheDominator]

57 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What about the scheme of this play makes sense to you?

Why would anybody looking at that play be complaining about poor Daniel Brown?  Take a look at what Ryan Griffin (#84) is doing on that play.  He is the one that is probably most clueless and more to blame than Brown.

[JoJoTownsell1]

This play was more disturbing for me since it was the second play of the game and it should be a well scripted, executed play but instead we had two offensive lineman dancing around, blocking no one while our QB gets sacked at the goal line:

Somehow Beachum and osemele are blocking no one. 

[MaxAF]

57 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What about the scheme of this play makes sense to you?

There’s 8 guys coming and only 6 Offensive linemen. That’s not a blocking scheme problem. QB either needs to call time out or audible. A play action play is gonna get blown up with 8 guys on Defense in the box.....and it did.

[C Mart]

2 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

The first play of the game when Siemian got killed it looked like the Oline was blocking for a completely different play. We had two lineman blocking air. 

So yeah, I am not impressed with our oline coach. 

Let's slow down. He's highly regarded. Some blame could be w/Kahlil and making the proper line call / adjustment.  And for all we know some blame may be on the QB too.  

[#27TheDominator]

19 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

when the guy goes right around KO, its cos he was coached to let the guy in front of him run past him?

Nobody said the players were good, but there are guys just rushing in untouched.  You have to plan away that sh*t.  

[C Mart]

16 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

The Cowboys fired him.  They had pass protection issues.  Sound familiar?  He was with the Bengals last year.   Guys like Kalil and Beachum may be long in the tooth, but this is more than them getting bull rushed and beat around the edge.  They are allowing free runners and it isn't blitzing CBs.  

Alexander didn't last a yr..With Z.Taylor coming into Cincy he could have wanted his own OL coach

It's year one - heck month 1 - of a new system for everyone ie players, coaches etc..This is why the CBA sucks prohibiting practice time and hitting. It affects the OL the most. 

Jan 11, 2018

Todd Archer ESPN Staff Writer

FRISCO, Texas -- Offensive line coach Frank Pollack will not be back with the Dallas Cowboys in 2018, as he joined the Cincinnati Bengals on Thursday.

It is the sixth change on Jason Garrett's staff since the season ended and perhaps the most significant, because of the resources the Cowboys have put in their offensive line and their desire to be a run-first team.

Paul Alexander, who spent more than 20 years with the Cincinnati Bengals, is interviewing with the Cowboys as Pollack's replacement, according to a source. A source said Tom Cable, who was fired by the Seattle Seahawks and was a college teammate of offensive coordinator Scott Linehan, is also a candidate.

Assistant offensive line coach Marc Colombo, who played for the Cowboys from 2005-10, will also be in the mix.

Pollack took over for Bill Callahan after the 2014 season. Dallas was in the top 10 in rushing -- including second in both 2016 and 2017 -- in each of Pollack's three seasons as the line coach.

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What about the scheme of this play makes sense to you?

Isn't JoeC's site Turn on the Jets?

Resume Overview: Offensive Line Coach Frank Pollack

Stephen Russo Posted on January 31, 2019

A common theme that we see amongst winning teams is a quality offensive line. The ability to run the ball and protect the quarterback is a vital part of any team’s success. As we gear up to watch SBLIII this weekend, just look at the two teams playing. Tom Brady hasn’t been touched all postseason (except on the shoulder by Chris Jones that was deemed so egregious it was called for roughing). And Jared Goff consistently has all day to throw while boasting the league’s third ranked rushing attack. Fast forward to 2019 for the Jets.

We are at the mercy of a GM who has invested a fifth-round pick in 2015 and 2016 in the offensive line. That’s it! He also signed Kelvin Beachum. Woohoo. Now, Beachum is nothing to scoff at and a serviceable starter. But that signing is not exactly a Mawae or Woody type of signing. Simply put, part two of the offensive line rebuild starts with Maccagnan getting better players to protect Darnold.

So, what was part one? It was getting an offensive line coach that can get this team back to the level they were under Bill Callahan in 2009-2010. New Head Coach Adam Gase went outside the box (unlike what he did with Dowell Loggains but, I digress) and brought in a fresh face and not one of “his” guys. Enter Frank Pollack. A well-respected and well-traveled offensive line coach who comes to the Jets with a litany of experience – doing nothing but coaching the big guys up front.

Pollack entered the NFL in 1990 as a tackle/guard with the 49ers. He had an 8-year playing career with the 49ers and Broncos where he spent most of his time as a backup, starting only six of ninety games played. He moved into coaching in 2005 where he went back to his alma mater, Northern Arizona, to coach the o-line and tight ends. He got himself back to the NFL in 2007 with the Houston Texans as an assistant o-line coach for 5 years before taking the offensive line coach with the Raiders in 2012. In 2013, he went back to an assistant job with the Cowboys in 2013, took over as the o-line coach there from 2015-2017 before getting fired by Dallas after the 2017 season. He then became the Bengals o-line coach in 2018 and left after one season.

Statistics can get convoluted and often be tailored to fit a certain agenda. I tend to like an overly simplistic approach to stats; which I will do with Pollack. In order to judge his coaching performance, I will look at two statistics: sacks and rushing. And only during times when he was the o-line coach (not an assistant). In Oakland in 2012, the Raiders offensive line ranked third in the league allowing 1.6 sacks per game, but also ranked 29th in rushing. With the Cowboys, the o-line ranked 11th, 9th, and 10th, respectively from 2015-2017 while allowing 2.1, 1.8, and 2.0 sacks per game. However, during that time, the Cowboys ranked 9th, 2nd, and 2nd in rushing offense. Finally, in Cincinnati, the offensive line ranked 14th in sacks allowed with 2.3 per game, while also ranking 14th in the league in rushing.

Outside of a poor overall rushing attack in one year in Oakland, Pollack has yielded some impressive results with the offensive lines he has coached. His time in Dallas alone should have Jets fans excited. However, the Jets don’t have a Zack Martin or Tyron Smith on their roster. Time will tell, but Pollack will only be as good as the talent that Mike Maccagnan can provide him with. And that will only come if Maccagnan chooses to invest more than a fifth-round pick in the most critical position group.

http://turnonthejets.com/2019/01/resume-overview-offensive-line-coach-frank-pollack/

[TheClashFan]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

The one where Shell, Winters and Kalil all block the same guy while everyone else runs wild was great play design. 

Yeah, I doubt there's any line call where three guys block one defender.  One of those three guys totally screwed that one up.

Some of the problems are probably on Kalil, others on guys just doing the wrong thing.  Also, we've seen guys get totally manhandled at the line as well, even when trying to block.

[bitonti]

for those who have faith in PFF grades the Jets interior 3 are rated 18th in pass protection after 2 weeks 

the Pats are 20th

The Rams are 31st and Vikings are 32nd 

 

this is supposedly a measure of the pressure allowed by the interior 3 players

it's not ideal but it's not so bad 

 

[rex-n-effect]

14 minutes ago, bitonti said:

for those who have faith in PFF grades the Jets interior 3 are rated 18th in pass protection after 2 weeks 

the Pats are 20th

The Rams are 31st and Vikings are 32nd 

 

this is supposedly a measure of the pressure allowed by the interior 3 players

it's not ideal but it's not so bad 

 

Yeah but both teams were beating us on the edge to get to the QB so if you only look at how the interior of the line performed you are ignoring critical elements of what happened on the field.

[MS jets Fan]

When the team wins the scheme is always great and when it loses it always a horror story.  Yes we have deficiencies at the tackles, but there are ways to help with that.  

[BCJet]

Its interesting that Gase will bench Trumaine, not JD/his guy,  but won't bench Kahlil for Harrison.  We actually have NFL backups for once - put in Compton for Winters and Harrison at center and see if it makes a difference.