Imagine a world where

[jetstream23]

29 minutes ago, Skeptable said:

Fun Facts:

Jets have drafted a RB before the all time leading rusher (Emmit Smith), Blair Thomas...

Drafted a WR before the all-time leading Receiver (Jerry Rice) AL Toon.

Drafted a QB Before the all-time leading Passer Twice (Dan Marino) Ken O'Brien. 

And a QB before Tom Brady, Chad Pennington. 

[jgb]

On 9/23/2019 at 1:22 AM, nico002 said:

We would be absolutely screwed 

Yeah because we are not that now 

[rangerous]

all rudolph is proving is that when the surrounding team is good just about any qb can be thrown in there.  brady wasn't so great when he went in for bledsoe but the patsie team was ready to win.  same thing with this steelers team.  they could've tanked the season once roethlisberger went down.  instead they got motivated.  that's what the jets need to do.

[TuscanyTile2]

On 9/22/2019 at 7:24 PM, jetstream23 said:

Imagine we had drafted Tom Brady in Round 5.

 

Imagine.

 

 

 

Do it.

How about we just kept Belichick.

[naturalscience]

On 9/23/2019 at 10:56 AM, Savage69 said:

Better yet what if in 1997 we didn't hire the Tuna and stayed with BB as HC? 

Then we would be the cheaters. Lol.

[jgb]

43 minutes ago, rangerous said:

all rudolph is proving is that when the surrounding team is good just about any qb can be thrown in there.  brady wasn't so great when he went in for bledsoe but the patsie team was ready to win.  same thing with this steelers team.  they could've tanked the season once roethlisberger went down.  instead they got motivated.  that's what the jets need to do.

Good QBs make their own weapons, not the other way around.

[ZachEY]

On 9/22/2019 at 7:22 PM, nico002 said:

We would be absolutely screwed 

Do you get notifications on your phone any time someone says anything critical about Darnold?

[ZachEY]

6 hours ago, Skeptable said:

Fun Facts:

Jets have drafted a RB before the all time leading rusher (Emmit Smith), Blair Thomas...

Drafted a WR before the all-time leading Receiver (Jerry Rice) AL Toon.

Drafted a QB Before the all-time leading Passer Twice (Dan Marino) Ken O'Brien. 

And a QB before Tom Brady, Chad Pennington. 

And a strong safety before...

[T0mShane]

10 minutes ago, jgb said:

Good QBs make their own weapons, not the other way around.

That said, literally the only player on our offense who would start for the Steelers right now is LeVeon, and the Steelers let Bell walk. 

[playtowinthegame]

Imagine if the Jets got a 3rd round pick from the Saints for Teddy Bridgewater without having to include their 6th round pick (177), which they then used to draft Gardner Minshew. Imagine if the Jets paid their kicker Jason Meyers last off-season too. Imagine if we didn't hire Gase and instead went with Mike McCarthy. It's a lot to imagine, but I imagine we'd be 3-0 with McCarthy as the head coach, Meyers kicking, and Minshew Mania to turn to while Sam is getting over his mono. 

[Jetsfan80]

34 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Imagine if the Jets got a 3rd round pick from the Saints for Teddy Bridgewater without having to include their 6th round pick (177), which they then used to draft Gardner Minshew. Imagine if the Jets paid their kicker Jason Meyers last off-season too. Imagine if we didn't hire Gase and instead went with Mike McCarthy. It's a lot to imagine, but I imagine we'd be 3-0 with McCarthy as the head coach, Meyers kicking, and Minshew Mania to turn to while Sam is getting over his mono. 

 

[More Cowbell]

On 9/22/2019 at 7:25 PM, Philc1 said:

Rudolph looking good

It was against the Bengals. They are horrible.

[Apache 51]

On 9/22/2019 at 7:24 PM, jetstream23 said:

Imagine we had drafted Tom Brady in Round 5.

 

Imagine.

 

 

 

Do it.

They would never have maintained an OL, so there goes that...

[More Cowbell]

10 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Rudy!

 

Again, this was against the Bengals. I'm not sure if there is a strong secondary he plays against but the Bengals secondary is possibly worse than the Jets. 

[JustInFudge]

I remember arguing that I really didnt see a difference between Mason Rudolph and the top dudes of that draft.  Hmph

[More Cowbell]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

Good QBs make their own weapons, not the other way around.

That's  not true. Damarius Thimas was damn good even with Tebow throwing to him. 

[bealeb319]

Imagine a world that we drafted the best player in every round every year....and not just like who experts say will be the best but the actual best...then take it a step further and imagine we picked up only the really really good guys in free agency and at veteran minimum. Then got the best coaches and smartest front office...and while we are at this we got the hottest cheerleaders too?

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[jgb]

44 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

That's  not true. Damarius Thimas was damn good even with Tebow throwing to him. 

Thanks for finding one example from 100 years of NFL history and arguing it invalidates what is true in 99.9% of cases.

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

Good QBs make their own weapons, not the other way around.

nobody is taking anything from rudolph's abilities but the way he stepped in and the way the steelers played means they were ready to play the bengals.  the best qb is useless if the oline doesn't block or the receivers don't get free.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

That said, literally the only player on our offense who would start for the Steelers right now is LeVeon, and the Steelers let Bell walk. 

QBs create their own weaponz, not their own protection. Chances are if your QB isn't delivering, he either sucks (90% chance) or his OL sucks (10% chance).

Our OL is an embarrassment to sport.

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, rangerous said:

nobody is taking anything from rudolph's abilities but the way he stepped in and the way the steelers played means they were ready to play the bengals.  the best qb is useless if the oline doesn't block or the receivers don't get free.

I'm not talking about one game. But if you have to chose between two teams, knowing only the information provided, which would you choose:

Team A: All Pro QB, two average starting WRs 

Team B: Average QB, one All Pro WR, one average WR.

[More Cowbell]

29 minutes ago, jgb said:

Thanks for finding one example from 100 years of NFL history and arguing it invalidates what is true in 99.9% of cases.

DeAndre Hopkins, Archie Manning, Randy Jackson, Cortez Kennedy. Those are off the top of my head. There are others I just don't  have time to look them up. All good players on bad teams. QB's are not the only factor that makes another player good. If you can play, it will show. 

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

DeAndre Hopkins, Archie Manning, Randy Jackson, Cortez Kennedy. Those are off the top of my head. There are others I just don't  have time to look them up. All good players on bad teams. QB's are not the only factor that makes another player good. If you can play, it will show. 

Cortez Kennedy was a Defensive Tackle.  He's talking about the QB/WR combo.  

[jgb]

1 hour ago, More Cowbell said:

DeAndre Hopkins, Archie Manning, Randy Jackson, Cortez Kennedy. Those are off the top of my head. There are others I just don't  have time to look them up

Super Bowls won between them: Zero. There are 100 roads to a SB title. 95 start with a good QB.

(Assume you mean Randy Moss, not Randy Jackson and I'm not sure how Cortez Kennedy is relevant to this discussion.)

 

[rangerous]

58 minutes ago, jgb said:

I'm not talking about one game. But if you have to chose between two teams, knowing only the information provided, which would you choose:

Team A: All Pro QB, two average starting WRs 

Team B: Average QB, one All Pro WR, one average WR.

team A but that's mainly because the qb is the first guy to touch the ball and does so on nearly every offensive play.  he's the single point of failure.

[jgb]

29 minutes ago, rangerous said:

team A but that's mainly because the qb is the first guy to touch the ball and does so on nearly every offensive play.  he's the single point of failure.

Of course. A good QB shines up bad weapons a whole lot more often and more consistently than the reverse.

Let’s say you have four passing options on average every passing play. A good QB just needs one of those to gain separation and he has a good chance of delivering a catchable ball.

Now think about a team with one All Pro WR and an average or worse QB. The defense takes the primary read out by doubling, then you need one of the remaining 3 to get separation and your not-great QB to go through progressions and identify the open man and make a good throw. Sure it can succeed a few times a game or even a few games in a row (Tebow) but those kind of teams are always, always exposed sooner or later.

Even the poster child for bad QBs winning a ring was carried by the defense,  not a stud WR.

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

Of course. A good QB shines up bad weapons a whole lot more often and more consistently than the reverse.

Let’s say you have four passing options on average every passing play. A good QB just needs one of those to gain separation and he has a good chance of delivering a catchable ball.

Now think about a team with one All Pro WR and an average or worse QB. The defense takes the primary read out by doubling, then you need one of the remaining 3 to get separation and your not-great QB to go through progressions and identify the open man and make a good throw. Sure it can succeed a few times a game or even a few games in a row (Tebow) but those kind of teams are always, always exposed sooner or later.

Even the poster child for bad QBs winning a ring was carried by the defense,  not a stud WR.

not quite sure where you're going here.  heck falk looked pretty good in the game against the browns and then fell apart against the patsies.  yes a good qb can make the rest of the players look better but even there the players have got to be good enough to start.  and it's not like it was rudolph against the bungles.  it was the steelers.  it's still a team sport.

[jgb]

20 minutes ago, rangerous said:

not quite sure where you're going here.  heck falk looked pretty good in the game against the browns and then fell apart against the patsies.  yes a good qb can make the rest of the players look better but even there the players have got to be good enough to start.  and it's not like it was rudolph against the bungles.  it was the steelers.  it's still a team sport.

When is the last time a truly elite QB had a terrible year? When did Drew Brees stink? Brady? Manning (before his arm went dead)? Marino? Montana? Surely one or more of these guys would’ve had crap weaponz at one point in their career? But all still delivered time in and time out because that’s what elite QBs do.

To riff on Jeff Foxworthy, “You might not have a franchise quarterback... if you’re making excuses for your quarterback.”

[Jet Nut]

On 9/23/2019 at 11:09 AM, Green DNA said:

What if we drafted Ed Reed instead of Bryan Thomas?  What if we drafted Dan Marino instead of Ken O'Brien?  As Jets fans we can play this game all day.  

And so can every other team in the NFL

Just an example 31 teams passed on Marino.