Is bad coaching or player injuries the bigger reason Jets are losing? Do you agree with Bob Wischusen?

[jetstream23]

Bob says it isn't about coaching, it's more about injuries.  What do you say?

 

[GeraldSowell33]

It’s mostly about injuries, but Gase certainly hasn’t done anything to help the players on the field. 

 

[Saul Goodman]

Lack of overall talent is the reason we are losing, by far. 

But of the two options, injuries for sure. Healthy Darnold will make an enormous difference. 

[Joe Willie]

With all due respect, if Gase coached the Pats, they'd likely be losers as well. He has to be shown the door. 

[Guilhermezmc]

This is the worst offense i have seen since i started following the Jets 

[jetstream23]

It is a little odd how this has all transpired...

With starters healthy (including Darnold and Mosely) Jets have a +16 point differential.

After Mosely got hurt and others have now gone down Jets have a - 53 point differential.

[BigRy56]

Injuries and it’s not even close

[shuler82]

It’s both.  Gase’s playcalling sucks but can be overcome with good skill position play. The injuries that have gutted this team have left no hope to overcome Gase

[Mogglez]

20 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Bob says it isn't about coaching, it's more about injuries.  What do you say?

 

I almost never agree with Bob because he can be an insufferable homer, but there's nothing I can disagree with here.

This will be the fifth time I've asked this forum to give me the name of a coach that can work with the circumstances and roster blows that Gase has had to deal with, while also playing 2 of the 3 best defenses in the league and a 3rd defense that is, also, very good.  I haven't gotten a single name.

If we still look this bad against the softer part of our schedule, with Sam, Mosely, Quinnen, and DT healthy, then we can have a further discussion on where the team goes next at HC.  Until then, it's pointless because no one can succeed under these conditions.

[RevisIsland610]

Getting the starters back would help a great deal but until they do something about this train wreck of an OL this team will continue to sputter. When your defense has outscored your offense after 3 full games you've got big problems son. I have never seen an OL this bad in all my years of watching football. 

[Beerfish]

#1 You are almost never injury free.

#2 The jets were not bad health wise game one and played awful and the offense looked bad.

#3 No this is not 'as tough as it gets'

If we were injury free it would be blame it on the previous GM (Who you probably defended for 5 years)

Oline, not injured starting RB not injured, no one of note at Wr injured.

[jetstream23]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

#1 You are almost never injury free.

Yes, but you're almost never THIS injured.

 

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#2 The jets were not bad health wise game one and played awful and the offense looked bad.

They were beating the undefeated (3-0) Buffalo Bills 16 - 0 before Mosely left and the D collapsed.

 

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#3 No this is not 'as tough as it gets'

If we were injury free it would be blame it on the previous GM (Who you probably defended for 5 years)

Oline, not injured starting RB not injured, no one of note at Wr injured.

Quincy Enunwa

[fusionCA]

Cleveland played tonight without the entire secondary 

all the starting corners and safeties were injured.

they signed players off the street to play( including Justin Burris) and yer were able to put a decent showing including an INT that almost gave them the win

coaching , it matters 

[ryu79]

I'd agree and we don't know how much Sam was impacted by the mono.

I'd say mix of injuries and inept play on the Oline. 

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Yes, but you're almost never THIS injured.

 

They were beating the undefeated (3-0) Buffalo Bills 16 - 0 before Mosely left and the D collapsed.

 

Quincy Enunwa

Please, Enunwa is one of the most overrated jet players of the last 5 years.

This team is healthy enough to not stink out he joint.

Good coaches do things to at least look good losing.

The offense looks worse than the gailey, morton and bates offenses all of those with terrible o talent as well.

This guy is supposed to be a good offensive coach.  Is he yet another one of these guys that will be good if you are 100% healthy and have he team stocked with pro bowlers?

[Mogglez]

12 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

#1 You are almost never injury free.

#2 The jets were not bad health wise game one and played awful and the offense looked bad.

#3 No this is not 'as tough as it gets'

If we were injury free it would be blame it on the previous GM (Who you probably defended for 5 years)

Oline, not injured starting RB not injured, no one of note at Wr injured.

You are almost never down to your 6th round, 2nd year, third string, QB either.

True, but the Buffalo defense has shown through three games that they are better than last year, which is pretty damn impressive. We, also, needed our kicker to make one of the missed kicks and we're not even discussing week one as a loss.

Subjective.  I have been pretty f*cking down lately, to the point where I can't even get angry at the team or the sport of football.  I just get depressed.

It is 110% Maccagnans fault, but, to a larger degree it's on Christopher Johnson for letting Maccagnan run another off-season before firing him.

Quincy Enunwa and DT are pretty big blows to a team that now has to start Josh Bellamy and Braxton Berrios on the outside.

[Skeet Ulrich]

Gase is going to be here for 3 years before everyone figures out he's a complete buffoon, isn't he? 

[Mogglez]

5 minutes ago, fusionCA said:

Cleveland played tonight without the entire secondary 

all the starting corners and safeties were injured.

they signed players off the street to play( including Justin Burris) and yer were able to put a decent showing including an INT that almost gave them the win

coaching , it matters 

And they lost.

They have the most talented roster, on paper, I've seen in years, and yet they have one win.  They, also, aren't playing a 3rd string QB.

[heymangold]

Even down to 2nd stringers they should have some sort of compete level. They haven’t even looked competitive on offense.  The o-line isn’t missing any starters and they’ve been terrible.  The secondary isn’t missing any starters, they’re just terrible.  

[TheClashFan]

I voted injuries, but it is really injuries and lack of talent.

The next few weeks after the bye will tell a lot, if the team can get relatively healthy.  If it does, and the team shows little to no improvement, more and more this goes on Gase.

 

[heymangold]

3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

And they lost.

They have the most talented roster, on paper, I've seen in years, and yet they have one win.  They, also, aren't playing a 3rd string QB.

But we’re still competitive with one of the best teams in football.  The jets aren’t competitive with teams like the bills.

[Beerfish]

2 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

You are almost never down to your 6th round, 2nd year, third string QB either.

True, but the Buffalo defense has shown through three games that they are better than last year, which is pretty damn impressive. We, also, needed our kicker to make one of the missed kicks and we're not even discussing week one as a loss.

Subjective.  I have been pretty f*cking down lately, to the point where I can't even get angry at the team or the sport of football.  I just get depressed.

It is 110% Maccagnans fault, but, to a larger degree it's on Christopher Johnson for letting Maccagnan run another off-season before firing him.

Quincy Enunwa and DT are pretty big blows to a team that now has to start Josh Bellamy and Braxton Berrios on the outside.

Minshaw was a 6th rounder and is a rookie, Kyle Allen for the panthers was undrafted. Falk was brought in by Gase, Falk 'knows the offense better than anyone'

[jetstream23]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Please, Enunwa is one of the most overrated jet players of the last 5 years.

This team is healthy enough to not stink out he joint.

Good coaches do things to at least look good losing.

The offense looks worse than the gailey, morton and bates offenses all of those with terrible o talent as well.

This guy is supposed to be a good offensive coach.  Is he yet another one of these guys that will be good if you are 100% healthy and have he team stocked with pro bowlers?

Trust me, I'm not defending Gase.  He's been atrocious.  But I can't totally ignore the fact that two of the Jets losses are to undefeated teams (6-0) and that the Browns gave the LA Rams a run for their money tonight.  I think the Jets have played against 3 very good teams, particularly on Defense, and they've used a QB3 in two of those games.

This season took a ridiculous U-Turn at a point when the Jets were up 16 - 0 against the undefeated Bills.

By the way, do you know the score of the Jets vs. Pats when the Pats are using their QB2?

Jets 7

Pats 0

Backup QBs do matter on occasion, especially when you have a severely underperforming OLine like the Jets do.

 

[Skeet Ulrich]

3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

And they lost.

They have the most talented roster, on paper, I've seen in years, and yet they have one win.  They, also, aren't playing a 3rd string QB.

The Browns? They have nice talent at the skill positions but their OL is not very good, which is why they have 1 win. Baker doesn't get a clean pocket much(not that he stays in the pocket a lot anyway)

[Mogglez]

8 minutes ago, heymangold said:

Even down to 2nd stringers they should have some sort of compete level. They haven’t even looked competitive on offense.  The o-line isn’t missing any starters and they’ve been terrible.  The secondary isn’t missing any starters, they’re just terrible.  

Look at what the Patriots have done on both offense and defense and tell me why you think that a team playing Luke Falk should at least "look competitive".   The 14 pathetic points we put up are the most scored on NE this year, and the 30 they scored is their lowest total through three games.

The team that we played today is going to roll through the NFL this year.  Expecting anything else today, given the circumstances, is on no one else's shoulders other than Jets fans who were being unrealistic.

[Welp]

The glaring issue is the OL and they’re relatively healthy which makes the current blocking situation seem pretty disastrous.

[Mogglez]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Minshaw was a 6th rounder and is a rookie, Kyle Allen for the panthers was undrafted. Falk was brought in by Gase, Falk 'knows the offense better than anyone'

And sometimes you hit on backup QBs.  Minshew has proven, through three games, that he belongs.

Kyle Allen, going into today, had a career rating of 113.1 with two pretty damn good games under his belt.  Then, for his 3rd game, he gets the Cardinals, who are, quite literally, the polar opposite of  the defending Super Bowl champs

Most of the times, you get Luke Falk.  A back up that you never imagined would be starting but knows the system in case of emergency (like right now).

[Mogglez]

5 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

The Browns? They have nice talent at the skill positions but their OL is not very good, which is why they have 1 win. Baker doesn't get a clean pocket much(not that he stays in the pocket a lot anyway)

If Baker's line is not very good, then what is the abomination that Maccagnan put together considered?

[jetstream23]

7 minutes ago, TheClashFan said:

I voted injuries, but it is really injuries and lack of talent.

The next few weeks after the bye will tell a lot, if the team can get relatively healthy.  If it does, and the team shows little to no improvement, more and more this goes on Gase.

 

The Jets aren't built to sustain injuries to starters.  Very little depth.

 

[Skeet Ulrich]

4 minutes ago, Welp said:

The glaring issue is the OL and they’re relatively healthy which makes the current blocking situation seem pretty disastrous.

I really don't understand the rush to get Darnold back behind this line, he's gonna get pummeled. 

[Mogglez]

13 minutes ago, heymangold said:

But we’re still competitive with one of the best teams in football.  The jets aren’t competitive with teams like the bills.

The Bills are 3-0 and have, arguably, the best defense in football.

They're better than the Browns, and we were absolutely competitive in that game.  We would have won it if we had Sam Ficken a week earlier.

[slimjasi]

It’s not any one thing.

The Jets are a poorly coached team with below average talent and preposterously bad injury luck 

 

[BigRy56]

How many times in league history has a team been on their third QB by week 3 due to injuries? This isn’t just normal injuries here and there 

[SpartanJet]

I mean I think its a combo of a poorly built team roster wise with far too many DT's and not enough invested in the offense, thin roster due to all the horrible drafting over the years, vets who are playing poorly, injuries, and coaching.  There is enough blame for all parties involved.

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

It’s not any one thing.

The Jets are a poorly coached team with below average talent and preposterously bad injury luck 

 

Geez. That really does just about sum it up.