Popular Post msena88 Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 Interesting quote from Kalil here (I know I know we all hate him) in an article in the Post this morning. I know we are all jumping on Gase for a garbage scheme but if you listen to some of the players, especially this quote they seem to disagree. “It’s not a scheme problem. I’ll tell you that. The schemes are good. They really are. There’s criticism about being creative, but it’s tough to be creative on third-and-18. That’s on us. We said all week to beat this team you’ve got to stay ahead of the downs and we didn’t do that.” https://nypost.com/2019/09/23/the-jets-biggest-offensive-weakness-is-easy-to-find/amp/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons&__twitter_impression=true 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: 3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. We have 3 more years of this trash to look forward to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BallinPB Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 I thought I was going to see an honest quote. "I suck ass. I should've stayed my ass on the couch retired." 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 Hard to get creative on 3rd and 18? There are 2 downs before 3rd. lmfao This ******* team... 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, BallinPB said: I thought I was going to see an honest quote. "I suck ass. I should've stayed my ass on the couch retired." Gase gave him $10 million when we already had a competent starting Center in Harrison 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Augustiniak Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, JiF said: Hard to get creative on 3rd and 18? There are 2 downs before 3rd. lmfao This ******* team... always excuses, mitigating circumstances, injuries, new coaches, new gm, new scheme, backups, etc. they should force all jets players and employees next sunday to watch the redzone channel and see what the other teams do. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 A 6th round, practice squad, 3rd string QB making his first start at New England. It didn't matter what plays were being called that defense was not going to give up much, even in garbage time. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Dear Ryan Kalil Please retire again. Thanks NY Jets fans 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The O-line not only sucks but they really look lost out there. I’m seeing defenders just flat out getting beat. That’s on them but I also see lineman coming off their assignments early and/or just not blocking anyone. Our line has struggled for years but this is the worst I’ve seen it and Gase hasn’t fixed it since week 1. I keep saying it, bring more bodies in there to block, TE’s, RB’s. Stop the bleeding. Throw a bomb once in awhile. Get in the shotgun, drop the QB 5-8 yards past the gun to give him time to unload it deep. At least give a perception that you’re gonna go deep from time to time. The offense is too predictable. Am I missing something here??? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Oh. This makes it all fine then. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #27TheDominator Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Gase gave him $10 million when we already had a competent starting Center in Harrison What the **** are you talking about? I remember when the backup QB was the most popular guy on the team. Here it is the backup center? The guy couldn't unseat Spencer Long with a broken finger. I get thinking the coach is an idiot, but when every coach can't notice the greatness of Jonotthan Harrison, maybe it doesn't exist. He has sat for three different head coaches, 3 different OCs and 5 different offensive line coaches. Gase, Bowles, Pagano, Pollack, Loggains, Morton, Dennison, Chudzinski, Philbin, Pep Hamilton, and Steve Marshall did not recognize his greatness! 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Oh. This makes it all fine then. LOL, nice. Glad he cleared it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: 3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. Whenever they try to go downfield, the QB gets sacked. Like literally there's no time for routes to even develop. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, fullblast said: Whenever they try to go downfield, the QB gets sacked. Like literally there's no time for routes to even develop. Agree the OL is bad and the fact our WR's are terrible but why not 3 step drop your QB and release the ball or roll him out of the shotgun. Luke Falk is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL right now so not expecting much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 When is Harrison getting his job back?Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted September 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2019 Actual Jets OL: We were having trouble protecting the QB Jets fan, on the couch: wE sHoUlD hAvE tHrOwEd It DeEp MoAr 10 1 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, T0mShane said: Actual Jets OL: We we’re having trouble protecting the QB Jets fan, on the couch: wE sHoUlD hAvE tHrOwEd It DeEp MoAr it's as if kalil is saying the OL is still in preseason mode. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, T0mShane said: Actual Jets OL: We we’re having trouble protecting the QB Jets fan, on the couch: wE sHoUlD hAvE tHrOwEd It DeEp MoAr How many quick slants did Adam Gase call yesterday a good HC/OC has plays for strengths and weaknesses of their respective QB. Luke Falk is that bad nothing helps him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msena88 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Agree the OL is bad and the fact our WR's are terrible but why not 3 step drop your QB and release the ball or roll him out of the shotgun. Luke Falk is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL right now so not expecting much. When they do this everyone brings out the pitch forks and screams that they're being conservative. There is also the element of without watching the coaches film, it's possible Gase is calling plays with deep routes but Falk is just choosing to check it down. I get the mentality of "what do you have to lose" but the guy has a noodle for an arm and did you see that interception? This isn't to say Gase is absolved of any blame, but there is nothing to work with. Considering Gase hand picked Siemian and Falk, the gripe should be more about his ability to scout and identify the QB position because they both flat out stink. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 So I guess Adam Gase isn’t scheming sack on 3 step drops or pressure against 3 man DLs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 59 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: 3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. A playbook is just filled with solutions for 3rd and 18 calls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, msena88 said: When they do this everyone brings out the pitch forks and screams that they're being conservative. Behind the line of scrimmage and on 3rd and 18 yes we had what 105 yards total offense yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Scott Dierking said: A playbook is just filled with solutions for 3rd and 18 calls Yes it is it seems to be draw plays and 3 yard passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: 3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. In fairness, you don't know what he called as far as a pass play. You only know the pass the QB threw. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Thanks Khalil....now GTFO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 He's right. Another key problem is field position. Esp with a young Qb. It seems like many drives start inside the 10. It's really hard for a new offense and 3rd team Qb to get out of that kind of a hole. As for innovation I'd love to see sometimes a hurry up. Maybe too tough when you have a Qb like Falk although he is supposed to be very sharp in term of understanding the offense. Keep the opponent off balance at times. Unless your team physically can't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, msena88 said: Interesting quote from Kalil here (I know I know we all hate him) in an article in the Post this morning. I know we are all jumping on Gase for a garbage scheme but if you listen to some of the players, especially this quote they seem to disagree. “It’s not a scheme problem. I’ll tell you that. The schemes are good. They really are. There’s criticism about being creative, but it’s tough to be creative on third-and-18. That’s on us. We said all week to beat this team you’ve got to stay ahead of the downs and we didn’t do that.” https://nypost.com/2019/09/23/the-jets-biggest-offensive-weakness-is-easy-to-find/amp/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons&__twitter_impression=true Why is it that every team in the league can beat the Jets on 3rd and 18 and the Jets can't never even throw it that far. That is what I have a problem with... Not that the Jets get into 3rd and 18 but why can every team in the league get a first down against the Jets with plays and the Jets never have an answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The Jets can't adequately block 3 and 5 step drops to provide a clean pocket. Downfield routes take even more time to protect. Until the line is better, it's not as easy as simply "opening up" the offense. I'll say this. Kalil is the whipping boy right now, but in my opinion, Winters is far worse. Kalil gets beat physically. Winters gets beat physically and mentally. It's hard to gauge OL assignments by just watching, but there have been many times already in 3 weeks where a blown up play has clearly been on Winters missing or being late on an assignment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Yes it is it seems to be draw plays and 3 yard passes. Yes, to protect from the turnover. This game had to be played in 3 ways for the Jets: 1. Eliminate turnovers. Zero 2. Hope for some turnovers from NE. 3. Pray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, joewilly12 said: Yes it is it seems to be draw plays and 3 yard passes. As I recall, the draw plays were 3rd and forever in the shadow of their own goal post. While not creative, it is what many NFL O coordinators call in that scenario, especially with a back up at QB and a RB like Bell at your disposal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msena88 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Behind the line of scrimmage and on 3rd and 18 yes we had what 105 yards total offense yesterday. Teams go conservative on 3rd and 18 with a competent OL, a good QB and full complement of weapons. If you want to be critical of being conservative, complain that they're not attempting a trick play on 1st down. I have to think though, when you're watching your team not be able to execute simple things in the run game or pass pro that you don't have a lot of faith in your team's ability to execute a trick play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, kdels62 said: So I guess Adam Gase isn’t scheming sack on 3 step drops or pressure against 3 man DLs. It’s because the QB was squeezing the air out of the ball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 They have to change the OL for next game. Get Garrison in at center. Either bench Khalil or move him to G and bench Winters or start the G we traded for from the Ravens. Bench Shell and replace him with Edoga. Do something for freaking sake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: What the **** are you talking about? I remember when the backup QB was the most popular guy on the team. Here it is the backup center? The guy couldn't unseat Spencer Long with a broken finger. I get thinking the coach is an idiot, but when every coach can't notice the greatness of Jonotthan Harrison, maybe it doesn't exist. He has sat for three different head coaches, 3 different OCs and 5 different offensive line coaches. Gase, Bowles, Pagano, Pollack, Loggains, Morton, Dennison, Chudzinski, Philbin, Pep Hamilton, and Steve Marshall did not recognize his greatness! Yeah, bit he is better than Kalil. That seems to be going unnoticed as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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