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3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. 

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1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. 

We have 3 more years of this trash to look forward to

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18 minutes ago, BallinPB said:

I thought I was going to see an honest quote.  

"I suck ass.  I should've stayed my ass on the couch retired."  

Gase gave him $10 million when we already had a competent starting Center in Harrison 

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A 6th round, practice squad, 3rd string QB making his first start at New England.  It didn't matter what plays were being called that defense  was not going to give up much, even in garbage time.

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The O-line not only sucks but they really look lost out there. I’m seeing defenders just flat out getting beat. That’s on them but I also see lineman coming off their assignments early and/or just not blocking anyone. Our line has struggled for years but this is the worst I’ve seen it and Gase hasn’t fixed it since week 1. I keep saying it, bring more bodies in there to block, TE’s, RB’s. Stop the bleeding. Throw a bomb once in awhile. Get in the shotgun, drop the QB 5-8 yards past the gun to give him time to unload it deep. At least give a perception that you’re gonna go deep from time to time. The offense is too predictable. Am I missing something here???

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3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Oh. This makes it all fine then.

LOL, nice. Glad he cleared it up.

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Just now, fullblast said:

Whenever they try to go downfield, the QB gets sacked. Like literally there's no time for routes to even develop.

Agree the OL is bad and the fact our WR's are terrible but why not 3 step drop your QB and release the ball or roll him out of the shotgun.

Luke Falk is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL right now so not expecting much. 

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Just now, T0mShane said:

Actual Jets OL: We we’re having trouble protecting the QB

 

Jets fan, on the couch: wE sHoUlD hAvE tHrOwEd It DeEp MoAr

it's as if kalil is saying the OL is still in preseason mode.

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Just now, T0mShane said:

Actual Jets OL: We we’re having trouble protecting the QB

 

Jets fan, on the couch: wE sHoUlD hAvE tHrOwEd It DeEp MoAr

How many quick slants did Adam Gase call yesterday a good HC/OC has plays for strengths and weaknesses of their respective QB. 

Luke Falk is that bad nothing helps him. 

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2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Agree the OL is bad and the fact our WR's are terrible but why not 3 step drop your QB and release the ball or roll him out of the shotgun.

Luke Falk is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL right now so not expecting much. 

When they do this everyone brings out the pitch forks and screams that they're being conservative. There is also the element of without watching the coaches film, it's possible Gase is calling plays with deep routes but Falk is just choosing to check it down.

I get the mentality of "what do you have to lose" but the guy has a noodle for an arm and did you see that interception? This isn't to say Gase is absolved of any blame, but there is nothing to work with. Considering Gase hand picked Siemian and Falk, the gripe should be more about his ability to scout and identify the QB position because they both flat out stink.

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So I guess Adam Gase isn’t scheming sack on 3 step drops or pressure against 3 man DLs.

 

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59 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. 

A playbook is just filled with solutions for 3rd and 18 calls

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Just now, msena88 said:

When they do this everyone brings out the pitch forks and screams that they're being conservative.

Behind the line of scrimmage and on 3rd and 18 yes we had what 105 yards total offense yesterday. 

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Just now, Scott Dierking said:

A playbook is just filled with solutions for 3rd and 18 calls

Yes it is it seems to be draw plays and 3 yard passes. 

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1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

3rd and 18 Adam Gase either throws a 2 yard pass or calls a draw play. Nothing is downfield ever. 

In fairness, you don't know what he called as far as a pass play. You only know the pass the QB threw.

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He's right. Another key problem is field position. Esp with a young Qb. It seems like many drives start inside the 10. It's really hard for a new offense and 3rd team Qb to get out of that kind of a hole. As for innovation I'd love to see sometimes a hurry up. Maybe too tough when you have a Qb like Falk although he is supposed to be very sharp in term of understanding the offense. Keep the opponent off balance at times. Unless your team physically can't do it. 

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1 hour ago, msena88 said:

Interesting quote from Kalil here (I know I know we all hate him) in an article in the Post this morning. I know we are all jumping on Gase for a garbage scheme but if you listen to some of the players, especially this quote they seem to disagree.

“It’s not a scheme problem. I’ll tell you that. The schemes are good. They really are. There’s criticism about being creative, but it’s tough to be creative on third-and-18. That’s on us. We said all week to beat this team you’ve got to stay ahead of the downs and we didn’t do that.”

https://nypost.com/2019/09/23/the-jets-biggest-offensive-weakness-is-easy-to-find/amp/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons&__twitter_impression=true

Why is it that every team in the league can beat the Jets on 3rd and 18 and the Jets can't never even throw it that far.

That is what I have a problem with... Not that the Jets get into 3rd and 18 but why can every team in the league get a first down against the Jets with plays and the Jets never have an answer.

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The Jets can't adequately block 3 and 5 step drops to provide a clean pocket.  

Downfield routes take even more time to protect.  Until the line is better, it's not as easy as simply "opening up" the offense.

I'll say this.  Kalil is the whipping boy right now, but in my opinion, Winters is far worse.  Kalil gets beat physically.  Winters gets beat physically and mentally.  It's hard to gauge OL assignments by just watching, but there have been many times already in 3 weeks where a blown up play has clearly been on Winters missing or being late on an assignment.  

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1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

Yes it is it seems to be draw plays and 3 yard passes. 

Yes, to protect from the turnover. 

This game had to be played in 3 ways for the Jets:

1. Eliminate turnovers. Zero

2. Hope for some turnovers from NE.

3. Pray.

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Just now, joewilly12 said:

Yes it is it seems to be draw plays and 3 yard passes. 

As I recall, the draw plays were 3rd and forever in the shadow of their own goal post. While not creative, it is what many NFL O coordinators call in that scenario, especially with a back up at QB and a RB like Bell at your disposal. 

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2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Behind the line of scrimmage and on 3rd and 18 yes we had what 105 yards total offense yesterday. 

Teams go conservative on 3rd and 18 with a competent OL, a good QB and full complement of weapons. If you want to be critical of being conservative, complain that they're not attempting a trick play on 1st down.

I have to think though, when you're watching your team not be able to execute simple things in the run game or pass pro that you don't have a lot of faith in your team's ability to execute a trick play.

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5 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

So I guess Adam Gase isn’t scheming sack on 3 step drops or pressure against 3 man DLs.

 

It’s because the QB was squeezing the air out of the ball

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They have to change the OL for next game. Get Garrison in at center. Either bench Khalil or move him to G and bench Winters or start the G we traded for from the Ravens. Bench Shell and replace him with Edoga. Do something for freaking sake.

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21 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

What the **** are you talking about?  I remember when the backup QB was the most popular guy on the team.  Here it is the backup center?  The guy couldn't unseat Spencer Long with a broken finger. 

I get thinking the coach is an idiot, but when every coach can't notice the greatness of Jonotthan Harrison, maybe it doesn't exist.  He has sat for three different head coaches, 3 different OCs and 5 different offensive line coaches.  Gase, Bowles, Pagano, Pollack, Loggains, Morton, Dennison, Chudzinski, Philbin, Pep Hamilton, and Steve Marshall did not recognize his greatness!  

Yeah, bit he is better than Kalil. That seems to be going unnoticed  as well. 

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