kdels62 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Also the Pats had let up 3 points total before yesterday’s game. Their defense is legit and our offense is missing 2 top weapons and is on QB3. I get the freaking out but it’s possible we had no shot yesterday regardless of what we tried. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, The Voice of Reason said: Why is it that every team in the league can beat the Jets on 3rd and 18 and the Jets can't never even throw it that far. That is what I have a problem with... Not that the Jets get into 3rd and 18 but why can every team in the league get a first down against the Jets with plays and the Jets never have an answer. You have to protect the QB to convert 3rd & 18. Its elementary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jetster said: You have to protect the QB to convert 3rd & 18. Its elementary. Why are we continually in 3rd and 18 situations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msena88 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: i truly believe gase figured it wasn't worth doing with this roster, better off not showing anything like this yet until darnold returns and they have 2 more weeks to get the OL functional. I agree, I think it's a combination of things like that as well as learning to walk before you can run. People seem to think that Gase is calling the "bad" running plays and that's why Leveon doesn't have any holes. This OL can't currently block for a draw play and the fans want them to block for a double reverse halfback pass. Also, I've heard all about Gase being too conservative yet last week against the Browns when the Jets were driving deep into Browns territory and they passed on 3rd and 2 and 4th and 2 he was a moron for not running Leveon. Then yesterday on a 3rd and 2 in the 4Q, at their own 9 yard line he hands off to Leveon (which statistically league wide has a higher chance of converting for a first down) and he's too conservative. Unless they score 50 and win, the guy cannot do anything right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: Players aren't grasping assignments in a zone blocking scheme. Its either the players are dumb and they don't know how to handle situations or the coaches aren't teaching it well. Either way, they can't have free runners on the outside over and over again. KO failed in the zone blocking in Oakland.... why are they trying to do the same here. I am curious as to what they are going to change over the next 2 weeks. I liked Pollack too. Agreed. I’m amazed that at week 3 there hasn’t been at least some improvement in the line. We have faced some good defenses the first three games if we want to use that as a partial excuse. Rams barely beat the Browns last night. Their D looked real good. Bills are 3-0 and Wade Phillips is got the D looking good for the Cheaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounap23 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, choon328 said: Don't underestimate the importance Darnold played in setting up blocking assignments. I think they we're counting on him to help Khalil till he got up to speed. With Darnold out the last 2 hand there's no wonder why there has been mass confusion and both assignments. Just some food for thought Through the blind rage of anger this is a point I will say I have missed as well. I hope you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jetster said: You have to protect the QB to convert 3rd & 18. Its elementary. I am talking about the Jets defense consistently giving up 1st downs, on 3rd and long... its an epidemic with this team... that is more infuriating then the Jets not being able to convert Offensively. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, The Voice of Reason said: I am talking about the Jets defense consistently giving up 1st downs, on 3rd and long... its an epidemic with this team... that is more infuriating then the Jets not being able to convert Offensively. 3 and outs are unheard of here except when our offense is on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, MaxAF said: Agreed. I’m amazed that at week 3 there hasn’t been at least some improvement in the line. We have faced some good defenses the first three games if we want to use that as a partial excuse. Rams barely beat the Browns last night. Their D looked real good. Bills are 3-0 and Wade Phillips is got the D looking good for the Cheaters. I think part of it is having a different QB each week. OL isn't comfortable with what to do since they have to make adjustments to each QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: We bring in the Luke Falk, Rick Mirers,Jay Fiedler's,mark Brunell's nothing changes here. Trevor Siemien the backup got hurt I get it but there has to be a better option out there than Luke Falk. daaaaaamn youuuuuuu gaaaaaaaaseeeee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, choon328 said: The line couldn't protect the QB for short passes and yet they wanted them to throw bombs on 3rd and 18. It's almost like these people don't realize that the line has to protect even longer to allow deeper routes to develop. Criticizing Gase for quick throws on a day the line gave up 4 sacks when only 3/4 men were rushing for the Pats is idiotic. I know people don't want to hear excuses but when your line is terrible it's hard for even the best QB's in the league to be successful let alone a 3rd String QB starting his 1st game against BB and the Pats defense. That is what I have been saying here... Insane reaction... and the fact that QBs help give OL blocking direction and there has been a new QB starter each week... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I'm sure when Gase is eventually fired the Brothers Johnson will lead a search committee much more sophisticated than the last and dig deeper and wider in finding the cheapest and most desperate candidate available. Go Jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 The last time a Belichick-coached team lost to a rookie QB was when he was with the Browns and Drew Bledsoe beat him. But, slant routes gang gang. FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- When the New England Patriots host the Houston Texans on Sunday, Bill Belichick will be scheming against 22-year-old rookie Deshaun Watson, who will be the second-youngest starting quarterback to face a team with Belichick as head coach. One has to go back to 1993, Belichick's third year as Cleveland Browns coach and two years before Watson was born, to identify the youngest quarterback to face a Belichick-coached team. It was 21-year-old Patriots rookie Drew Bledsoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The last time a Belichick-coached team lost to a rookie QB was when he was with the Browns and Drew Bledsoe beat him. But, slant routes gang gang. FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- When the New England Patriots host the Houston Texans on Sunday, Bill Belichick will be scheming against 22-year-old rookie Deshaun Watson, who will be the second-youngest starting quarterback to face a team with Belichick as head coach. One has to go back to 1993, Belichick's third year as Cleveland Browns coach and two years before Watson was born, to identify the youngest quarterback to face a Belichick-coached team. It was 21-year-old Patriots rookie Drew Bledsoe. Jets Fans: It took us five years to figure out that Mike Maccagnan was a bad GM Also Jets Fans: Gase should be able to scheme a win against Bill Belichick with Luke Falk and Braxton Berrios 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, lounap23 said: So as I see it right now 60% on the OL . 20%, as stated somewhere else, a 6th round PS/journeyman QB playing, 10% on Gase and 10% on missing Darnold, Enunwa, Herndon and to some degree Thomas. 60% on the line 10% on Gase 2.5% on Darnold's Mono 2.5% on Herndon's DWI Ok even if all this "math" were accurate (ITS NOT) you've got Darnold at the same significance as Herndon? Here's my math: Sam Darnold is the most important player on the team, him not being ready to start the season 100% is the biggest reason BY FAR for their 0-3 start they sold all those 14 jerseys they traded all those picks because HE'S THE FRANCHISE if he's just some Geno Smith manager than maybe those blame numbers make sense does the line suck Hell yeah. A franchise Qb is supposed to be better than all those problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The last time a Belichick-coached team lost to a rookie QB was when he was with the Browns and Drew Bledsoe beat him. But, slant routes gang gang. FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- When the New England Patriots host the Houston Texans on Sunday, Bill Belichick will be scheming against 22-year-old rookie Deshaun Watson, who will be the second-youngest starting quarterback to face a team with Belichick as head coach. One has to go back to 1993, Belichick's third year as Cleveland Browns coach and two years before Watson was born, to identify the youngest quarterback to face a Belichick-coached team. It was 21-year-old Patriots rookie Drew Bledsoe. Rookie mark Sanchez beat a Belichick coached team in 2009. Rookie Geno Smith beat a Belichick coached team in 2013. There are others, this has nothing to do with anything other than correcting misinformation. Yesterday Gase had a first year QB who was on the practice squad a week and a half ago and was our third QB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: Rookie mark Sanchez beat a Belichick coached team in 2009. Rookie Geno Smith beat a Belichick coached team in 2013. There are others, this has nothing to do with anything other than correcting misinformation. Yesterday Gase had a first year QB who was on the practice squad a week and a half ago and was our third QB. **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Voice of Reason said: I think part of it is having a different QB each week. OL isn't comfortable with what to do since they have to make adjustments to each QB. Yep. And the QB should be helping out with assignments at the line and calling audibles when the Defense looks like it will blow up the play. Not sure if that’s happening either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: I posted again, I was looking at D. That was my mistake but his best year was still better and remember that year their O was dreadful early and was good most of that year. when a team hires a so called "Offensive genius" there should be some offensive statistics to back it up, even if you have to cherry pick them look closely at all the numbers, they can't even prove Gase was better than Jeremy Bates we all breezed by that at the time of the hire his resume is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Lets not forget why it ends up 3rd and 18. The olines inevitable hold and false start penalties on first down. Then they give up a sack the next play. Thanks Kalil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, T0mShane said: daaaaaamn youuuuuuu gaaaaaaaaseeeee If anyone should have been lured out of retirement its this guy at 50 he's better than Luke Falk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Remember when we tried telling everyone that drafting a quarterback from USC with minimal starting experience was a horrible idea and they were all like flashes of greatness? And how nobody learned sh*t and the Jets did the exact same thing and the exact same doofuses think it's the exact same greatest thing ever? To be fair I don't think it even matters who we draft in the first round anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, nyjunc said: Rookie mark Sanchez beat a Belichick coached team in 2009. Rookie Geno Smith beat a Belichick coached team in 2013. There are others, this has nothing to do with anything other than correcting misinformation. Yesterday Gase had a first year QB who was on the practice squad a week and a half ago and was our third QB. lmfao the apologist are ridiculous right now. Nobody is even talking about a win vs the Pats. Nobody expected that from this team on Sunday. We're talking about not looking like the worst offensive team to ever step foot on the field for 3 straight games. Tony Sporano once blew out the great Belichick running the wildcat with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and Jets fans are ridiculous for thinking that a few first downs is too much to ask from a professional Football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: He was a FREE AGENT after last season, we got a pick for him when he wasn't come back. That was a GREAT move. He's only backing up Brees negate Brees is older and a legendary QB. He would not have re-signed here to be Sam's backup. Once again illustrating why we have a team built for fans of the woulda coulda shoulda game rather than fans of the game of football. The Jets do dumbass things and get dumbass results. Good enough for me. But if I were inclined to indulge anybody's fart-huffing bent, I'd point out that you don't know that he would have been resigned as a backup if at all had he still been around when Darnold missed time during the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, JiF said: lmfao the apologist are ridiculous right now. Nobody is even talking about a win vs the Pats. Nobody expected that from this team on Sunday. We're talking about not looking like the worst offensive team to ever step foot on the field for 3 straight games. Tony Sporano once blew out the great Belichick running the wildcat with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and Jets fans are ridiculous for thinking that a few first downs is too much to ask from a professional Football team. Not just ridiculous. Actually contributing to the failure somehow. And then being happy and angry about it at the same time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, bitonti said: when a team hires a so called "Offensive genius" there should be some offensive statistics to back it up, even if you have to cherry pick them look closely at all the numbers, they can't even prove Gase was better than Jeremy Bates we all breezed by that at the time of the hire his resume is awful. He never had a QB down there, let's see what he can do with Sam. It's hard to look good without a QB, look at how different the Giants O looked yesterday even without their best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, JiF said: lmfao the apologist are ridiculous right now. Nobody is even talking about a win vs the Pats. Nobody expected that from this team on Sunday. We're talking about not looking like the worst offensive team to ever step foot on the field for 3 straight games. Tony Sporano once blew out the great Belichick running the wildcat with Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams and Jets fans are ridiculous for thinking that a few first downs is too much to ask from a professional Football team. We had a 1st year QB that was on our practice squad a week earlier. He was our 3rd starter in 3 games. We were in 2nd and 3rd & 15 all day, we started with terrible FP all day. I don't know what you guys expect. 12 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Once again illustrating why we have a team built for fans of the woulda coulda shoulda game rather than fans of the game of football. The Jets do dumbass things and get dumbass results. Good enough for me. But if I were inclined to indulge anybody's fart-huffing bent, I'd point out that you don't know that he would have been resigned as a backup if at all had he still been around when Darnold missed time during the season. If you think teddy was coming back here as a backup I don't know what to tell you. He gave up starting opportunities to back up Brees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: We had a 1st year QB that was on our practice squad a week earlier. He was our 3rd starter in 3 games. We were in 2nd and 3rd & 15 all day, we started with terrible FP all day. I don't know what you guys expect. If you think teddy was coming back here as a backup I don't know what to tell you. He gave up starting opportunities to back up Brees. Again, and only using words with one syllable this time. Who says it would have been to back up Sam if he had signed with the Jets? What if he got a chance to start last year? And played at least as good as Sam did, like he had right up to the trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Again, and only using words with one syllable this time. Who says it would have been to back up Sam if he had signed with the Jets? What if he got a chance to start last year? And played at least as good as Sam did, like he had right up to the trade? We drafted at QB at #3 overall, he was stubby as soon as he was ready. The Jets bright teddy in as insurance and to swap for a pick. If Sam didn't show he was ready to play then Teddy would have had an opportunity. It's a shame he came along when he did but it would have made no sense to start him last year instead of Sam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, nyjunc said: We drafted at QB at #3 overall, he was stubby as soon as he was ready. The Jets bright teddy in as insurance and to swap for a pick. If Sam didn't show he was ready to play then Teddy would have had an opportunity. It's a shame he came along when he did but it would have made no sense to start him last year instead of Sam. Yeah see this is the beauty of not having to pull wouldas out of my ass to make an argument. Sam got hurt. He would have started those games. How the **** is this so difficult for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounap23 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, bitonti said: 60% on the line 10% on Gase 2.5% on Darnold's Mono 2.5% on Herndon's DWI Ok even if all this "math" were accurate (ITS NOT) you've got Darnold at the same significance as Herndon? Here's my math: Sam Darnold is the most important player on the team, him not being ready to start the season 100% is the biggest reason BY FAR for their 0-3 start they sold all those 14 jerseys they traded all those picks because HE'S THE FRANCHISE if he's just some Geno Smith manager than maybe those blame numbers make sense does the line suck Hell yeah. A franchise Qb is supposed to be better than all those problems. I was exaggerating my point on how awful the OL is playing. But if Darnold is a franchise guy then yes 100% the blame is on the MONO. But don't under value how important Herndon is to this offensive scheme. Gase loves to utilize the TE and his blocking is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Ryan Kalil is a has been force him to retire again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Yeah see this is the beauty of not having to pull wouldas out of my ass to make an argument. Sam got hurt. He would have started those games. How the **** is this so difficult for you? ????. I don't know what's going on with this board today, it's just insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, kdels62 said: Jets Fans: It took us five years to figure out that Mike Maccagnan was a bad GM Also Jets Fans: Gase should be able to scheme a win against Bill Belichick with Luke Falk and Braxton Berrios Other Jets Fans: It's not Gase's fault that his team's have been demonstrably terrible throughout his head-coaching career, and his players perform worse than ever before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, nyjunc said: ????. I don't know what's going on with this board today, it's just insanity. is it ok to ever expect the jets to be decent at football under any circumstances ever or is that against the rules again this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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