What do we have that's actually good? Who are the Top 10 players you'd build around?

[jetstream23]

There's a scene in the movie Apollo 13 when Flight Director Gene Kranz is being given so much bad news about problems on the spacecraft and the danger to the crew that it seems almost insurmountable.  Tired of hearing about all the things going wrong he turns to a mission specialist and says, "Let's look at this thing from a uhhh, standpoint of status.......What do we have on the spacecraft that's actually good?"  The specialist kinda hesitates and looks at him, eventually saying, "Uhhh...I'll have to get back to you."

That's kind of how I feel we are with the Jets right now.  Anything that can go wrong has gone wrong or will go wrong.  Remember when the Kicker was our big problem?  We've got an OLine disaster, a cranky Jamal Adams, a coach many want to fire, a GM who some think is in over his head, injuries everywhere, bad cornerbacks, an underperforming $14M Defensive Tackle, Bill Belichick just robbed the team of a 6th round pick, and our QB has mononucleosis.

This has quite simply been such a horrendous start to the year that it's been all but impossible to look at things positively, but I'm going to try....

So what do we have that's actually good and worth building around?

Or, maybe a better question....Who are the 10 guys on the team now that you see as a key part of a successful future for the Jets?

[The Crusher]

its the bye week?

[mrcoops]

Darnold

Adams 

Bell

Mosley

Q. Williams

Herndon

Jenkins

R. Anderson

H. Anderson

Maye

 

 

[JohnnyLV]

Do we have 10 foundational players?

Let's see

Darnold

Moseley

Cashman

Bell

Jamal Adams (though I would trade him for a first and another high pick)

Quinnen (just because of draft capital..Id trade him for a first too-never should have been picked)

Maye

Herndon

That's 8. 8 players and some of them are not even all that.

It is for this reason I would try and trade Adams, Leo, (both low impact guys one of whom we shouldn't re-sign. Adams could bring 1.5 first rounders -2 firsts and we give a mid range back

 

 

 

 

 

[ScarletKnight89]

Darnold- All the talent to be a franchise QB

Q. Williams- Still need to actually see him play but whatever, i'm adding him...

Adams- Still a top safety in the league

Maye- Good, quality safety

Mosley- Leader. The guy makes plays.

Bell- Very valuable weapon for a young QB

Herndon- Built nice chemistry with Darnold last year

That's really it for me at this point. They have some other guys like Cashman and Hairston who look promising but the jury is still out on them.

[jetstream23]

2 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Darnold

Adams 

Bell

Mosley

Q. Williams

Herndon

Jenkins

R. Anderson

H. Anderson

Maye

 

 

Good list.

Of note....no Leo Williams, not a single Offensive Linemen.

I don't disagree.

[TNJet]

3 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Darnold

Adams 

Bell

Mosley

Q. Williams

Herndon

Jenkins

R. Anderson

H. Anderson

Maye

 

 

This. Maybe Cashman too.

[sec101row23]

When it’s a challenge to come up with 10 players on a 53 man roster you want to build around, things aren’t good.  

[UntouchableCrew]

Sam Darnold, Chris Herndon, and Leveon Bell are the foundational pieces on offense. They're the only players with the potential to be elite at their positions. The entire offensive line needs to be revamped and none of the other skill players are guys to build around even though I still like Robby Anderson as a talent.

On defense it's clearly Jamal Adams, CJ Mosley and Quinnen Williams. Again, guys who are or have the potential to be elite at their positions. There are other decent players worth retaining but nobody you'd plan around. Leonard Williams isn't going to be worth his pricetag, and guys like Maye and Anderson are fine but nothing special.

So yeah, you asked for ten but there are really only 6, IMO.

[bitonti]

they can't build around Herndon

the guy drank enough booze to blow a point 1 4 on the NJ turnpike

the failed sobriety test ended up on TMZ

Santonio Holmes was less selfish than this dude 

***

meanwhile For all the people saying Daniel Jones isn't good because he's only had 1 good game  how many good games has Darnold had? Like 3 in his career maybe. Depending on how you want to define good. 

I'm not writing him off but people need to open their eyes 

[carlito1171]

14 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Darnold

Adams 

Bell

Mosley

Q. Williams

Herndon

Jenkins

R. Anderson

H. Anderson

Maye

 

 

I mostly agree but I wouldn’t bat an eye if Robby leaves us....Maye either 

[joewilly12]

13 minutes ago, mrcoops said:

Darnold

Adams 

Bell

Mosley

Q. Williams

Herndon

Jenkins

R. Anderson

H. Anderson

Maye

 

 

You forgot 

Edwards 

Ficken 

Hennessey

[Augustiniak]

i'd like to see edoga play.  he looked like a natural tackle in preseason, good feet.  i think he should be playing over shell right now.

[UntouchableCrew]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

 

meanwhile For all the people saying Daniel Jones isn't good because he's only had 1 good game  how many good games has Darnold had? Like 3 in his career maybe. Depending on how you want to define good. 

I'm not writing him off but people need to open their eyes 

Right, but if you're in charge of the Jets you're clearly building around him either way and operating under the assumption he has potential to be very good. If he sucks he sucks but we're already invested in him and need to give him the best chance to pan out that we can. Any QB you take in the first round is a guy you're building around.

[mrcoops]

12 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Good list.

Of note....no Leo Williams, not a single Offensive Linemen.

I don't disagree.

Scary thing - I didn't ever consider Leo for the list, which just about says it all. A shame. He seems to work hard and is a good guy, but he just hasn't developed into an elite player.

I would have loved to put an OL on there, but Shell has been just OK and Edoga hasn't shown us anything in games that matter yet. The line needs a major talent injection this offseason.

[carlito1171]

15 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

When it’s a challenge to come up with 10 players on a 53 man roster you want to build around, things aren’t good.  

If Douglas and Gase aren’t the guys to right the ship....we may not fix this until the middle of the next decade ??‍♂️

[bitonti]

1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Right, but if you're in charge of the Jets you're clearly building around him either way and operating under the assumption he has potential to be very good. If he sucks he sucks but we're already invested in him and need to give him the best chance to pan out that we can. Any QB you take in the first round is a guy you're building around.

he's missed major time 2 seasons in a row 

if this team goes 0-16 this year and they are looking at Tua/Fromm/Herbert at the top why not draft Fromm and make them compete? 

or "worst case" you trade one like Rivers/Brees for a ransom 
 

because they have "too many other holes?"

The Giants have a ton of holes, shoot they lost saquon yesterday - watch how quick the holes get filled when the team believes in the QB  

QB is still everything

this 0-3 start isn't because of the line or the coach, as much as we hate those things. the QB position let the entire team down again

 

[Jetsfan80]

10?  I can't come up with 10.  

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

 

if this team goes 0-16 this year and they are looking at Tua/Fromm/Herbert at the top why not draft Fromm and make them compete? 

 

 

I was told crossing the streams was bad.

[Augustiniak]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

he's missed major time 2 seasons in a row 

if this team goes 0-16 this year and they are looking at Tua/Fromm/Herbert at the top why not draft Fromm and make them compete? 

or "worst case" you trade one like Rivers/Brees for a ransom 
 

because they have "too many other holes?"

The Giants have a ton of holes, shoot they lost saquon yesterday - watch how quick the holes get filled when the team believes in the QB  

QB is still everything

this 0-3 start isn't because of the line or the coach, as much as we hate those things. the QB position let the entire team down again

 

the giants finally rebuilt their line, jones had a lot of time on a lot of his throws.  OL and qb, that's today's nfl.  the wrs/tes/playmakers are mostly borne out this, except for the elite talents.

[kdels62]

8 minutes ago, bitonti said:

he's missed major time 2 seasons in a row 

if this team goes 0-16 this year and they are looking at Tua/Fromm/Herbert at the top why not draft Fromm and make them compete? 

or "worst case" you trade one like Rivers/Brees for a ransom 
 

because they have "too many other holes?"

The Giants have a ton of holes, shoot they lost saquon yesterday - watch how quick the holes get filled when the team believes in the QB  

QB is still everything

this 0-3 start isn't because of the line or the coach, as much as we hate those things. the QB position let the entire team down again

 

If we go 0-16 we’re rebuilding hard with a new HC. That being said if we end up in the top 5 it’s perfect for a trade down since there are probably 3 top QBs. Trade down and scoop a pick next year. Build around Darnold. If he sucks we have the ammo to make a move for Trevor Lawrence the next year.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

Do we have 10 foundational players?

 

No. We do not. 

[Drums]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

they can't build around Herndon

the guy drank enough booze to blow a point 1 4 on the NJ turnpike

the failed sobriety test ended up on TMZ

Santonio Holmes was less selfish than this dude 

***

 

 

It was a scary and extremely dangerous mistake, and he is lucky that no one died but are you serious? He seems like he has learned a lot from that and is always a humble guy when talking. He has shown to be a hard worker as well. 

[Stark]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

he's missed major time 2 seasons in a row 

if this team goes 0-16 this year and they are looking at Tua/Fromm/Herbert at the top why not draft Fromm and make them compete? 

or "worst case" you trade one like Rivers/Brees for a ransom 
 

because they have "too many other holes?"

The Giants have a ton of holes, shoot they lost saquon yesterday - watch how quick the holes get filled when the team believes in the QB  

QB is still everything

this 0-3 start isn't because of the line or the coach, as much as we hate those things. the QB position let the entire team down again

 

I agree. If I was picking a QB in the draft this year, that's the dude for me... 

Fromm vs Darnold.... trade one of them in a year, hopefully for a kings ransom 

[rangerous]

1 hour ago, mrcoops said:

Darnold

Adams 

Bell

Mosley

Q. Williams

Herndon

Jenkins

R. Anderson

H. Anderson

Maye

 

 

good list.  maybe crowder, hairston, cashman are 11-13.

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, Stark said:

I agree. If I was picking a QB in the draft this year, that's the dude for me... 

Fromm vs Darnold.... trade one of them in a year, hopefully for a kings ransom 

If we pick #1 draft Fromm trade Darnold for the #2 pick. 

[Drums]

I think the defense has shown it can get by, and with a competent offense we can be looking at 2-1 or even 3-0 right now. So basically you need to rebuild the entire o-line.

I thought Q, RA, and Jamison would be enough to get by without a #1 WR, but with Q going down, this group can't make up for not having that #1 "get it done" guy that comes in when you need him. At what point do they move Montgomery to WR?

So my ten to build around:

1. Darnold

2. Bell

3. Herndon

4. Robby Anderson/Crowder

5. Mosley

6. Jenkins

7. Cashman

8. Hewitt

9. Adams

10. Maye

[rangerous]

9 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No. We do not. 

i agree they're not all elite players but what team has 10 elite players?  none.  i think the question is more about the players who actually play well and show up every game.

[14 in Green]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

he's missed major time 2 seasons in a row 

if this team goes 0-16 this year and they are looking at Tua/Fromm/Herbert at the top why not draft Fromm and make them compete? 

or "worst case" you trade one like Rivers/Brees for a ransom 
 

because they have "too many other holes?"

The Giants have a ton of holes, shoot they lost saquon yesterday - watch how quick the holes get filled when the team believes in the QB  

QB is still everything

this 0-3 start isn't because of the line or the coach, as much as we hate those things. the QB position let the entire team down again

 

!000% this. 

Yet about 75% of this board will make any excuse to dance around admitting it. 

[Sonny Werblin]

1 hour ago, mrcoops said:

Scary thing - I didn't ever consider Leo for the list, which just about says it all. A shame. He seems to work hard and is a good guy, but he just hasn't developed into an elite player.

I would have loved to put an OL on there, but Shell has been just OK and Edoga hasn't shown us anything in games that matter yet. The line needs a major talent injection this offseason.

IMO Leo should just fatten to 330 lbs and make himself into a freakishly athletic immovable noseguard. It is very apparent that he was over-evaluated by everyone coming out of college. Was there any tape of him beating good O linemen? Or, was he just dominating PAc-12 JAGs? Anyway, the shine is gone. He is what his is. If he wants to be a dominant player, he needs to be something else. I'd encourage him to go fat.

[Sonny Werblin]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

Do we have 10 foundational players?

We have way more than 10 that would be more productive if you incorporated them into a building foundation.

[Jetsfan80]

i agree they're not all elite players but what team has 10 elite players?  none.  i think the question is more about the players who actually play well and show up every game.

We don’t have 10 of those either.

[NYJ1]

Bell, Darnold, Mosley, Adams - they are excellent players to build around. Getting rid of them would be absurd. It just wouldn't make any sense.

Hewitt, Cashman, Crowder - these are all players that while they may not be elite, I definitely do not want to parts ways with them.

But more than anything else, you all are advocating blowing it up and starting over again. I do not agree with this approach. I think the above players are nice building blocks. 

What I think is detrimentally affecting us is poor coaching and injuries. If we could just get Darnold back healthy I think we could get a much better baseline for this team needs.

I only want to go as far as cutting all the Mac bums. That being players that Mac drafted and or signed that aren't performing up to snuff. There are plenty, so basically we'd be close to burning it all down anyway.

But people are just so blinded by hatred for Mac and jealousy for Jamal Adams. It just doesn't make any sense to me?

I think now is the right time for people to just calm down. Walk away for a while. It's been said in politics to never legislate when emotions are high. That leads to knee jerk moves. I don't want that and I don't think you want it that either for our Jets.

[UntouchableCrew]

2 hours ago, bitonti said:

he's missed major time 2 seasons in a row 

 if this team goes 0-16 this year and they are looking at Tua/Fromm/Herbert at the top why not draft Fromm and make them compete? 

 or "worst case" you trade one like Rivers/Brees for a ransom 
  

because they have "too many other holes?"

The Giants have a ton of holes, shoot they lost saquon yesterday - watch how quick the holes get filled when the team believes in the QB  

QB is still everything

this 0-3 start isn't because of the line or the coach, as much as we hate those things. the QB position let the entire team down again

 

So basically because Sam Darnold has mono we should give up on him?

One thing I agree with -- if we go 0-16 we should strongly consider drafting a QB 1st overall because if that happens clearly Darnold was terrible upon returning.

[Paradis]