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Hey guys. Please do me a favor, stop quoting me every time Jets fans who generally claim never to care anything about Baker Mayfield decide to make yet another Baker Mayfield thread surrounding a topic that could have went into any of the older Baker Mayfield threads given that they're all essentially the same. 

Quoting me only prompts my haters who are always salty to jump on your comment and respond with their saltiness because they're always salty to the point that its basically a knee-jerk response.

I'd rather not interrupt those Jets fans who claim not to care about Baker Mayfield and let them continue their discussions on Baker Mayfield. 

 

Thanks! 


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1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

You can’t run and hide now. You are known as the resident Baker fanboy. Embrace it. If you believe in your guy as much as you claim to, you should believe that you will have the last laugh. 

Coming into the thread and letting folks know that I wont respond to every pre-ejaculation isnt running. It's being content with the fact that if there is a last laugh to be had, I'll have it. So there's really no need for me to fuss with folk who dont page me when Baker plays well. 

 

How much clearer must my embrace be? 

 

Anyway, enjoy the thread guys. 

 

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2 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

I’d like to rep this x10!

paging @Villain The Foe 

Your boy Baker is playing with a switch blade while my boy PMIII is twirling double fisted 6 shooters 😂🤣

Your boy is my boy. Anyone who checks knows I had him as the best QB coming out that year. 

 

No one saw this level of immediate success though...not even you. This dude Mahomes is f'ing revolutionizing the sport. 

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The Ravens are a historically legit defensive squad. 

The Browns havent won in Baltimore since 2015. That ended today.

Baker has recorded his 5th 300+ yard game, 3rd against the division rival Ravens defense. 

Baker is 2-1 vs the Ravens...a playoff caliber team in the same division with a top 5 head coach.

Cleveland is tops in the AFC north after week 4 for the 1st time in who the hell knows

I expect no one to bother me this week. 

 

EDIT: See how I didnt have to start a new thread? 

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1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

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Rex knew it was going down today. Cant wait to hear him talk about how overrated this division win to take sole possession of 1st place in the AFCN was. 

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16 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Lol, after one week?

It's been a month my friend. And they are 1st in the AFCN. 

However to be honest, I wouldnt have said anything about this if it wasnt for folks paging me last week. How does this work, you guys can call for me but I cant respond? 

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I was thinking more links at the end of the season, but ok. 

To be real, this wasnt your vibe just a couple days ago. Remember when I wrote this? 

 

 

On 9/25/2019 at 8:13 PM, Villain The Foe said:

Hey guys. Please do me a favor, stop quoting me every time Jets fans who generally claim never to care anything about Baker Mayfield decide to make yet another Baker Mayfield thread surrounding a topic that could have went into any of the older Baker Mayfield threads given that they're all essentially the same. 

Quoting me only prompts my haters who are always salty to jump on your comment and respond with their saltiness because they're always salty to the point that its basically a knee-jerk response.

I'd rather not interrupt those Jets fans who claim not to care about Baker Mayfield and let them continue their discussions on Baker Mayfield. 

 

Thanks! 


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On 9/25/2019 at 8:25 PM, slimjasi said:

You can’t run and hide now. You are known as the resident Baker fanboy. Embrace it. If you believe in your guy as much as you claim to, you should believe that you will have the last laugh. 

 

 

I agree that Mayfield has a stronger body of work, at this point. 

The only thing I’d add is that I think Mayfield has to pick up his game very quickly to avoid a mass exodus from the bandwagon. It’s already beginning.

Even with the lack of great talent around him, Darnold is in an interesting position because I feel like a lot of people have already given up on the season. Thus, if he comes back and plays fairly well, he will get a lot of praise - perhaps too much praise. 

I was literally trying to wait, and you called it "hiding". Now I respond and you're talking "end of season"????

Shenanigans like this is why I wasnt entertaining it, because like I said, when things go well folks go silent or change the narrative. 

I have no problem waiting for the season to play out, but you have to admit, 3 Baker Mayfield threads on the main page from fans who claim (as they will this week) that they dont care or give a damn about this kid. 

Im just saying, if I ask folks to stop quoting me and you say im hiding, then expect me to talk my talk when the opportunity presents itself. 

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20 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Baker Mayfield woke up feeling DANGEROUS today!!!

Yeah he did. When the division was on the line, the young man and his team stepped up. 

 

Chubb is a f'ing monster. 

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9 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Browns should move Odell. Baker ignoring him helped the offense.

The attention Odell was garnering helped Ricky Seals Jones dominate from the TE position. That long catch he had was because the zone paid too much attention to Odell and Jones ran right past the defense. 

Odell had virtually no stats, but had a huge impact on this game in that regard.

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2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Except that I did.

Baker is up and down right now. There’s no need to diminish a good performance with nonsense.

 

Facts. 

Hopefully he'll settle in as the season progresses. However, 2 things they have to change. This shotgun option type rushing isnt really working. However, when they pull lineman to set up blocks for Chubb, he goes off. The Browns need to solidify the rushing attack to keep defenses honest instead of putting the entire defense on a 2nd year player with a sh*t offensive line. 

Today is an example of how you win games. Take Odell away is okay because there is talent across the offense. 

They also need some more of those max protect play designs like they had last year. Baker was carving up the defense from max protect.

The play calling is still a bit "meh", though today looked like the best day in comparison to the first 3 weeks.

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I hope folks keep that same energy on the board this week as they had last week. I seen one dude on here (who will remain nameless) who felt the need to send out pages my way last week, yet today I seen him creeping into the thread like a church mouse after the win, then vanished like a thief in the night without saying a word in the thread or leaving a page. I bet that energy would have been there to talk your talk had things didnt go the way they did.

And this is why I ignore you fair-weather dudes when you figure it's the right time to seek my attention. 

 

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On 9/25/2019 at 4:04 PM, Patriot Killa said:

I watched a lot of Baker last year. I didn’t see one reads? I seen him go through progressions rather well. Kind of hard to stat pad 27 touchdowns, Phil. 

I’m just saying.

Phil simply reiterates what he recently hears. Rex says he's a "one-read" QB, suddenly Phil notices how Baker is a one read QB that cant go through his progressions. 

I'd like to know: How would Phil explain this past Browns game given that Odell is the #1 WR yet he tied a career low 2 catches and made a career low 20 yards? How did Odell have statistically the worst game of his career, yet Baker threw for 350 yards and completed 67% of his 30 pass attempts if he's a "one-read" guy? 

Some would be quick to mention (which has already occurred) how he targeted Jarvis Landry throughout the game, which he did. But here are the numbers. Jarvis caught 8 of Bakers 20 passes. however, 7 players caught atleast a pass from Mayfield in the game. That's pretty high for a guy who's a "one-read" type. This means that 60% of Bakers passes (the majority) was caught by 6 other players. If you add Landry and Beckham together, that means that 50% of bakers passes was caught by 5 other players. That sounds pretty distributed to me when half of your passes are being caught by guys who generally are depth guys and not within the top 4 in receiver options. This is what I mean...

Baker and the Browns was entering a game against the #1 offense and #1 in time of possession in the NFL and a team known for it's defense. 

The Browns was going into this game with 25% of it's key players out due to injury or suspension. How did Baker and the offense respond? 

Starting TE David Njoku is injured. Back up TE Ricky Seals-Jones put up 82 yards on 3 catches and a TD. 

Starting #3 WR Higgins is injured and #4 Calloway is suspended. Baker completes a combined 7 passes between his 5th & 6th WR's options along with RB's Chubb for 73 yards in order to compensate. 

And speaking of pass catching RB's, Hunt is still suspended and Duke Johnson is a Texan, so Chubb had to fill in for that role so far this season.

All this and the offense was able to put up 40 points. 

What about the Browns defense? 

Both their starting corners were out in this game. Yet the Browns held the Ravens to just 18 points, as the Ravens last TD was pretty much garbage time and the game was out of reach by then. 

 

Here's my take away. Baker Mayfield isnt overrated, nor is his a one-read QB, however he was being overused.  Freddie Kitchens (a guy who was also getting criticism) went back to what they did well last year, which was present more of the run into the offense along with playaction from Baker and keep his passes at the most 30 per game. 

Baker throwing 35-40 times per game when you're missing your core receivers, completing just over 50% and not establishing the running game gives the opponent the advantage immediately as it gives them the ball and time of possession. That's exactly what happened in the Titans and Rams games. With the Ravens, the Browns established the run, which established Time of possession, kept Mayfield at 30 passes, and they stomped a hole in the chest of a team that everyone was praising just a week ago. 

That's coaching. To prove that, it was coaching that lost that Rams game. Todd Monkins offense requires better Olinemen that can hold their blocks and not rack up penalties. The Browns are the complete opposite. Against the Ravens the Browns went to Freddie Kitchens offense, and what do you know? Baker was clean in the pocket throughout the game, rarely any holding calls on the Oline, the RB's have the best game of the year and so did Mayfield. 

Once the Browns coaching staff get things in order in respects of how they will approach games schematically, then we will see more consistency from Baker. And by the 2nd half of the season back will also have Higgins, Calloway and Hunt while going into the easy stretch of the season. 

Kitchens needs to keep the offense that he had last year. They dont have the personnel at the line to run Monkin's offense, nor is Baker prepared to shoulder the entire load. 

When Baker throws for 31 passes or less the Browns are 6-0, when he throws for more than 31 passes the Browns are 3-9. Dont make the game about Baker Mayfield. Establish him into a passer the way Seattle did with Wilson over multiple years. This is why Chubb and soon Hunt are here. 

 

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5 minutes ago, JiF said:

Sucks when you're QB sucks so bad you have to hide him in your offense and use him as little as possible. 

You dont even watch football. 

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23 minutes ago, section314 said:

Say what you want about Rex, but he was able to do that with Sanchez.

@JiF really doesnt mean it (nor do the people agreeing with him), because if he did, he would basically be saying that Darnold sucks and is being hid...and Sam Darnold doesnt suck but is simply new to the pro's and needs to be properly acclimated to the pro level

Sam Darnold's ratio is no different. 

Sam throwing for 29 or more passes is 1-10

Sam throwing less than 29 passes is 3-1. 

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26 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

As I've said many times before and after the draft, to date, Baker is exactly what he was supposed to be coming out of college - a plug and play solid starter with limited upside (this is not a bad thing - it just is what it is) who was always supposed to have the better rookie year amongst all of the 2018 QBs. I'm glad you @Villain The Foe see this and express it as well.

My hating Baker is because he's a douche. Fanboys mistake that as my hating the player to prop up Sam, but look back at my posts in this thread: all of my "h8er" posts involve his stupidity outside of his play.

I've never once expressed that narrative, and by trying to misconstrue my words proves that so-called fanboys to a degree have you figured out. 

Nothing in my words would suggest Baker as having a limited upside. Quite the contrary, I said. 

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

 

Kitchens needs to keep the offense that he had last year. They dont have the personnel at the line to run Monkin's offense, nor is Baker prepared to shoulder the entire load. 

When Baker throws for 31 passes or less the Browns are 6-0, when he throws for more than 31 passes the Browns are 3-9. Dont make the game about Baker Mayfield. Establish him into a passer the way Seattle did with Wilson over multiple years. This is why Chubb and soon Hunt are here. 

 

Im showing that at this point in time Baker Mayfield isnt able to shoulder the entire offense on his arm. This same thing could be said for many QB's who went on to shoulder a franchise for many years, including a guy named Tom Brady. 

I personally compared the situation to Seattle and Wilson, not because Wilson is limited, It's clear that Wilson is one of the most efficient and deadly QB's in all of football and IMO is a top 5 QB right now. And yet, Russell Wilson didnt even get close to the amount of pass attempts that Mayfield had in just 13 games until Wilson's 5th season, 483 attempts in 16 games, which was still short of Mayfield's 486 in 13 games.

My point is, Mayfield was on pace to throw well over 500 pass attempts for a season had he played the entire rookie season. That's absurd. He's on the same pace again. My point is to build the team around Baker in his first years and when he becomes the elite QB one expected (as I said that he was a RICH MAN'S Jeff Garcia) then run the offense through him. 

 

There's no need to take shots at @14 in Green by misconstruing my words. Haters looking to validate their hate do that. 

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23 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Jesus. I didn't even read anything other than what I quoted. Even when I try to be civil with you, you're still a Baker.

I was talking about the fact that both of us (a Baker wannabe and a "Baker Hater") both agree that to date, he is not the driving force behind the Browns wins. And I wasn't taking shots at 14 - he and I already hashed it out in another thread. Was just pointing out that over the past two years, many posters have labeled me as a Baker hater because of his play on the field, whereas my hate is 100% driven by the fact that he's Rex wannabe douchebag without the relative history of success that Rex has on his resume.

Am I not being civil? You claimed that my position confirmed that you werent being a hater and that fanboys only see you that way. I was disagreeing with that by using the same words you used. 

I didnt attack you man. What should I have said, that Mayfield has a limited upside though that's not what I've ever said or believed? 

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22 minutes ago, JiF said:

I think any time you're only chance to win is by limiting your QB on the amount of passes he attempts, it means you dont have a very good QB and Baker Mayfield sucks so this make sense from the Browns.  Besides, Nick Chubb is really ******* good. 

If that definition fits Sam Darnold as well, so be it.  He hasnt proven anything to anyone in the league.  He's a soft So. Cal boogie boarding bitch at this point and not an NFL QB.  So if the cap fits him too, then let both these little bitches wear it.

Garnder Minshew is the best young QB in the league not named Mahomes and we're debating sh*tty punk bitch Mayfield and So Cal softy Darnold?

 

 

Limiting your QB doesnt mean he sucks, especially if the QB you're limiting has played a rookie amount of football games. 

And as for Garner Minshew, it's no different. 

#1.  His completions has gone down in every game he started. 

#2. His completions percentage has gone down in every game he's started. 

In games where Minshew has thrown 33 attempts he's 1-1

In games where he's thrown less he's 1-0. 

 

And even with this, Minshew is playing some great football....for a rookie as he doesnt throw picks or fumbles. 

However, Minshew, like Mahomes is playing on a team with talent. Jags with a respectable defense and a running game that showed it's ability on Sunday and Mahomes on an offense that can make any QB reach their potential. 

 

Also, Minshew has not proven to be as good or better than Deshaun Watson. And that's really the problem here. Guys play a couple games and suddenly Minshew is 2nd to Mahomes and Daniel Jones is the best QB in NY. 

 

It's all recency bias. 

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16 minutes ago, JiF said:

Mahomes>Watson>Minshew the rest of the league is garbage or old and who cares?

We do since we're holding the conversation. 

And honestly, no one outside of Mahomes and Watson has solidified their position so I cant necessarily argue your opinion on Minshew even with just a few games under his belt. I would have a different opinion but it's all still opnion nonetheless. 

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14 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

That’s not what I was trying to claim but rereading my post I can see why you read it that way. Chalk it up to miscommunication. 

Either way, I don’t think he’s as good as fanboys think he is, but that doesn’t make me a hater because I expected him to be at least somewhat competent. What makes me a hater is hoping we get some exciting Baker drama soon. It’s been like 2 whole days since he took shots at someone on Twitter.

No problem bro. I really wasnt trying to be a d*ck. My words just make me look like one at times. 😁

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18 minutes ago, JiF said:

No I meant "who cares" as a classification of QB's in the league. 

Then I cant put Mayfield in that category. He finished as a top 15 QB last year statistically. He was the only young QB on the top 100 with Watson and Mahomes as well. Sure, he hasnt lived up to the hype that was generated this entire offseason, but that's a pedestal that most other folks were making. Folks were talking superbowl and these guys havent even learned how to win as of yet. Lets end the season with a winning record, or win a division first. With that said, it's clear that Mayfield at this point is a system QB. He didnt look great in a couple games under Todd Haley as the OC, looked really good under Freddie Kitchens, looked overwhelmed with Monkins offense...but hung in there for the most part outside of that Titans game. He looked solid again with Kitchens going that max protect/2 TE formations. That's the job of the coaching staff. Figure out what the QB is best at and then doing it. Nothing wrong with being a system QB if you work well in the system. I think Mayfield will do better with Monkins offense once they do something to sure up the Oline in order for those longer routes to develop. You cant run that style of offense if Mayfield doesnt trust his Oline because of the inconsistency and will leave the pocket at times even when he doesnt have to. 

To go down to the wire against the Rams isnt bad. They were in the Superbowl just 8 months ago. 

 

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13 minutes ago, JiF said:

Buddy, if you got to say all that to justify his play....psssst....he's not very good.  Or just simplify it; Baker Mayfield sucks.  

I've said all that to support my opinion. 

But I shouldnt argue with those who dont watch who they overly criticize, so in that respect you have a point. 

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31 minutes ago, JiF said:

Well, that's not true either.  I watched him college and last year and till week 3 of this year before I gave up the NFL.  So I've actually only missed 1 game of his illustrious career. 

Then you basically missed his performance in the most important game of his career thus far, going up against the current division leader with 1st place in that division on the line with an opportunity to get the season back on track. 

He responded with the best performance of the season, adding to his illustrious career. 

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2 hours ago, JiF said:

Those week 4 victories are where champions are born.

Unless they suck, like Baker Mayfield. 

Shiiiiiit, he's no Gardener Minshew, that's for sure.

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12 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Hopefully by his 40th birthday which isn’t to far away 😂🤣 he can shoulder the entire offense on his arm.

Good to see this unpopular thread for 1 week popular again. 

Nites! 

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16 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

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Given that you're responding to a week old post, I'd agree that's what you're experiencing. 

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16 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Not fair. I’ve been doing my best juggling to keep this and the ‘Baker’s mouth’ thread going for weeks! Although, Baker’s really helping the cause on both. 

It's quite fair, when anyone can sit back and look at how you're suddenly no longer by yourself in that effort. 

Baker is really helping the cause, indeed. However, that's because folks prayers are being answered. 

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1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

Did you like watching the new face of the NFL get benched?

No, but that beats being benched by a filthy prostitute. 

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1 minute ago, greenwichjetfan said:

My football prayers will be answered when the Jets win a game in February.

Baker being himself (a solid starter with limited potential) never factored into my prayers. To channel the late Denny Green: he is who I thought he’d be. 

You have no idea what a player who's played less than 20 professional games is. 

That's your problem really. It's always these 2 constant sayings with you. #1. See, when I speak folks swear im hating. That's how you generally start off your Baker engagement. And #2. He is what you thought he was, when there's a legit chance that he could play 10 times the amount of games he's currently played.

More importantly, if you were confident in that assessment, you'd be able to simply say it and let it stand. Yet you keep saying it as if you're trying to convince yourself. 

I dont know. You're not a Baker hater, then stop mentioning what other people may think you are. It doesnt matter if you know that's not the case. 

Baker is what you thought he was, yet you must reiterate that line, more than Denny Greene. I bet he'd only have to say it once, maybe twice. 

In otherwords, I understand that's your thinking. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Nah if my prayers were answered PM3 would be wearing Gotham green.

Im about to open up a Patrick Mahomes thread for you. Here you go. 

Good call Lupz! :-)

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2 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Just making sure folks have their facts straight around here. Baker is who I thought he’d be on the field, and he’s everything I hate off it. 

The facts dont go away. They're written for everyone to see. 

You're worried about others. Seems like that's Bakers problem off the field as well. 

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