Popular Post SOJ Posted September 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2019 source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelz...ew-york-jets-the-exact-same-way/#2ff91fdc1937 By Adam Gase’s own admission, his offensive line’s “techniques and fundamentals just were not there” when the Jets allowed five sacks to New England on Sunday. So this bye week would provide a perfect opportunity to correct that with some specific practice time dedicated to those flaws, right? Well, apparently not, considering Gase already has dismissed his players for the week without having any on-field workouts, opting instead for film study and meetings before sending them home. The first-year New York Jets coach’s rationale? “That's just kind of been the way I've done it,” he said Monday. In other words, because that’s how Gase did it in Miami. Why did Gase similarly choose to have no on-field practice time during rookie mini-camp in May, also merely having meetings and film study? Because that’s how he did it in Miami. Why did Gase schedule mandatory June mini-camp before a week of organized team activities, instead of making it the spring finale the way most teams do? Because that’s how he did it in Miami. Why does Gase’s play-calling on offense with the Jets consistently feature third-down passes nowhere near the first-down markers? Well, Gase hasn’t specifically come out and said why, but it’s safe to assume it’s because (all together now)—that’s how he did it in Miami. Detecting a pattern here? So maybe the Jets’ bye, the earliest in the NFL this season along with San Francisco, should provide Gase with a chance to do some soul-searching and ask himself, exactly why am I doing everything the same way I did it in Miami? Consider that this also is how Gase did it in Miami—a 23-25 regular-season record, one playoff game (a loss to Pittsburgh in 2016, Gase’s first season there), and an eventual dismissal by owner Stephen Ross after the two men had clashed last December. If Gase is completely honest with himself, he might realize that following a failed blueprint to the letter isn’t the best path for success. To be fair, he isn’t the first NFL coach to be this stubborn. In fact, anecdotal evidence demonstrates that two of his recent New York predecessors did much the same thing. Only in both cases, they went down the same path after being banished from the Jets’ Florham Park, N.J. complex. Eric Mangini, a former lieutenant of Bill Belichick’s in New England, arrived in 2006 and got off to a fast start, going 10-6 and securing a wild-card playoff berth. (The Jets lost his lone playoff game to the Patriots.) Although Mangini did many good things, and helped build the foundation for Rex Ryan’s first two New York squads, the one curious aspect of his tenure was his personality. In private back then, he could be engaging and charming, much like the Eric Mangini you see on TV debate shows these days. But for some reason, he chose to emulate not just Belichick’s New England blueprint, but also his dour, humorless public presence. It was much the same behind the scenes with the players, and he was fired after the 2008 season because owner Woody Johnson felt Mangini had lost the locker room. (Coincidentally, his record at the time was the same as Gase’s in Miami, 23-25 and 0-1 in the post-season.) But all was not lost for “The Mangenius,” as he briefly had been dubbed by the New York media. Much like Gase, Mangini landed another head coaching job, this one with Cleveland, less than two weeks after being fired. Despite the fresh start, Mangini stuck to his tight-lipped ways, even bringing along the personal assistant, Erin O’Brien, he’d had with the Jets, dubbing her “director of team operations.” But she soon was forced out in Cleveland, a harbinger of what was to come. Long story short—Mangini was fired by Browns owner Randy Lerner after two seasons. Back in New Jersey, Mangini was replaced by his antithesis, the brash, charismatic Rex Ryan. Aided by the roster largely constructed by Mangini and then-general manager Mike Tannenbaum, Ryan made it to the AFC title game in each of his first two seasons but failed to produce a playoff appearance subsequently. But he also landed on his feet quickly, hired as Buffalo’s head coach. Ryan continued his bombastic ways unabated, even having his pickup truck painted in the Bills’ colors, but also was shown the door after two seasons. It’s human nature, when one immediately is hired after being fired by someone else, to think it wasn’t your fault. That you don’t need to change anything. But the Mangini and Ryan itineraries demonstrate otherwise. So unless quarterback Sam Darnold returns from mononucleosis and attains elite NFL status at lightning speed, Gase is going to have to figure out how to do things a bit differently to be successful post-Miami, and soon. A good place to start would be in his chronic habit of being conservative on third down. This has been going on since his days in south Florida, and his relocation north hasn’t changed that approach. On Sunday, quarterback Luke Falk took an incomplete deep shot on his first third-down attempt. After that, the Jets ran the ball on three third downs in the first half, and threw short passes on the other two. (To be fair, it’s possible wide receiver Jamison Crowder was forced to break off his comeback route too quickly because of tight coverage, resulting in a 10-yard gain on a third-and-12.) And lest you think that was merely because Gase was working with a former third-stringer against the disciplined, well-coached Patriots, note that he did the same thing with Darnold in the Week 1 loss to Buffalo. On a crucial third-and-12 in the fourth quarter, Gase called a screen to Crowder, who caught the ball 2 yards past the line of scrimmage. He wound up 2 yards shy of a first down. One reason Gase landed the New York job was by having former pupil Peyton Manning call Jets owner Christopher Johnson with a glowing recommendation. But if Gase doesn’t change his approach with the Jets, he very well might eventually have to press Manning into service again. Only this time, the owner probably won’t take Peyton’s phone call. #1 GasedAndConfused, Today at 12:58 PM 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, SOJ said: Despite the fresh start, Mangini stuck to his tight-lipped ways, even bringing along the personal assistant, Erin O’Brien, he’d had with the Jets, dubbing her “director of team operations.” But she soon was forced out in Cleveland, a harbinger of what was to come. Long story short—Mangini was fired by Browns owner Randy Lerner after two seasons. Mangini was forced out by Mike Holmgren because Holmgren wanted to coach again. Stupid article. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 It’s pretty common to take the first week off during a bye week 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Larz said: It’s pretty common to take the first week off during a bye week That's what some people don't understand. They think a Week 4 Bye is too early. I disagree. As Bill Parcells used to say Week 5 or so is roughly the mid-point of the football playing year for these guys. They had mini-camp, weight lifting programs in the Spring and early Summer. They started camp in July and it ran through August. By the end of September (now) these guys have been going hard for about 12 weeks already. It's not just the first 3 games that take their toll on a player's body. A full week off now is a good thing IMO....and fortuitous for the Jets given their injuries, illnesses and myriad other issues. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOJ Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Mangini was forced out by Mike Holmgren because Holmgren wanted to coach again. Stupid article. that wasn't the point of the article was it? If that all you go out of it then enjoy watching this HC …. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted September 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2019 Not saying they don't need the reps but they are basically the walking wounded right now. Inject them fools with some TB12 and toss them in a hyperbaric chamber, 4 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Some savage stuff in there. Sounds like it was written by a pissed off Jets Nation poster ? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Not saying they don't need the reps but they are basically the walking wounded right now. Inject them fools with some TB12 and toss them in a hyperbaric chamber, Burnt feet ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Not saying they don't need the reps but they are basically the walking wounded right now. Inject them fools with some TB12 and toss them in a hyperbaric chamber, With proper footwear 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 And Gase is losing...just as he did in Miami. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsyrup Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 There has never been a head coach in the NFL that was fired and hired as a head coach in the same offseason that had success with the 2nd team. Many coaches say that they need the time back as a coordinator to reflect, refresh their schemes and connect with coaches so they can put together a better staff. Maybe Gase ends up being the exception, but it seems really unlikely. 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullblast Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: Some savage stuff in there. Sounds like it was written by a pissed off Jets Nation poster ? Glad you liked it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RobR Posted September 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 27, 2019 59 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: That's what some people don't understand. They think a Week 4 Bye is too early. I disagree. As Bill Parcells used to say Week 5 or so is roughly the mid-point of the football playing year for these guys. They had mini-camp, weight lifting programs in the Spring and early Summer. They started camp in July and it ran through August. By the end of September (now) these guys have been going hard for about 12 weeks already. It's not just the first 3 games that take their toll on a player's body. A full week off now is a good thing IMO....and fortuitous for the Jets given their injuries, illnesses and myriad other issues. It's also part of the CBA. Players of every single team must receive four consecutive days off with one of those days being Saturday. So everyone giving Gase sh*t because he gave them some time off has no idea what they're talking about. It's mandatory. 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 CJ: Okay Mac, our coaching list is almost set. We have done our research and due diligence. We will go through it one more time tomorrow and then make an offer, Wait I have a call on my cell. Hey! It's from Peyton Manning!!...Whats that Peyton? Okay, sure thing! Good bye.....Mac move Gase from 4th to the top of the list. Make him an offer tomorrow morning. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Gase is inherently flawed and is not long for this job 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Would love if one day we are disappointed about a bye week because it’s coming at a time the Jets are on a roll. Since I was a little kid bye week always “couldn’t come any sooner” for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Meh article. I already had a working hypothesis that Gase wouldn't do anything differently than he did in Miami, mostly because he's got the same personality as some of the best web developers I've ever worked with... problem is, they were GREAT individual contributors. Capable of expert-level coding, because they were on-spectrum just enough to be brilliant at the one thing their mind fully invested in. The problem they had was with empathy, self-awareness, inclusiveness and leadership. So, as bad managers do, they promoted these experts to be directors themselves, because "that's what you do with your best senior level people". They were horrendous managers. Most of them failed their way back to IC roles. Which is the best thing for them and their employer anyway. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 This is obviously made up lies. Gase is a football god that walks on water and farts fruity pebble’s. Nothing is his fault. It’s bad luck or god. Where’s Jetsnut and Sar? Gase is being talked bad about, come save him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TNJet Posted September 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2019 I really didn't want to start hating our coach by week 4. Oh well... 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I originally liked the Gase hire but I admit I was wrong. We have all been duped by this guy. The only thing he has done that helped the Jets is get rid of Mr. MacCoffee. The jury is still out on Joe Douglas. Face it Jet fans - just like Chris Johnson we fell into Gases trap. What kind of a head coach lets his offensive line perform the way they have no matter who is playing there. He sukkks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, SOJ said: source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jppelz...ew-york-jets-the-exact-same-way/#2ff91fdc1937 By Adam Gase’s own admission, his offensive line’s “techniques and fundamentals just were not there” when the Jets allowed five sacks to New England on Sunday. Gase is not going to throw the OL under the bus. He's protecting the talent-less bums he *INHERITED* and has to live with this season. Give JD and AG a chance to pick their own players, there is no magic wand where Gase can 'coach them up'. You can put lipstick on a pig but it'll always be a pig. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 A good place to start would be in his chronic habit of being conservative on third down. A lot of Jets third downs have been 3rd and 10 or worse, so conservative is the way to go. Pretty tepid article if you ask me. Must be a Gase hater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Didn't like the hire then; still dont. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Larz said: It’s pretty common to take the first week off during a bye week Its mandatory to have 4 or 5 consecutive days off for the bye week... I forget if its 4 or 5... blame the CBA. Edit: http://www.toddstake.com/2015/01/07/bye-week-disadvantage/ Its 4 Quote Section 2. Bye Weeks: During any regular season bye week period occurring during the term of this Agreement, players will be given a minimum of four consecutive days off. Such four day period must include a Saturday and a Sunday unless the Club is scheduled to play a game on the Thursday following the bye week, in which case players may be required to report to the Club on the Sunday preceding the Thursday game. In such an event, the four day period shall be Wednesday through Saturday. Any injured player may be required to undergo medical or rehabilitation treatment during such four day period provided that such treatment is deemed reasonably necessary by the Club’s medical staff. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Meh article. I already had a working hypothesis that Gase wouldn't do anything differently than he did in Miami, mostly because he's got the same personality as some of the best web developers I've ever worked with... problem is, they were GREAT individual contributors. Capable of expert-level coding, because they were on-spectrum just enough to be brilliant at the one thing their mind fully invested in. The problem they had was with empathy, self-awareness, inclusiveness and leadership. So, as bad managers do, they promoted these experts to be directors themselves, because "that's what you do with your best senior level people". They were horrendous managers. Most of them failed their way back to IC roles. Which is the best thing for them and their employer anyway. Empathy is over rated. http://bostonreview.net/forum/paul-bloom-against-empathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 11 hours ago, jetsyrup said: There has never been a head coach in the NFL that was fired and hired as a head coach in the same offseason that had success with the 2nd team. Many coaches say that they need the time back as a coordinator to reflect, refresh their schemes and connect with coaches so they can put together a better staff. Maybe Gase ends up being the exception, but it seems really unlikely. That's how I feel. I think a first time HC who gets fired should go back to being an assistant for one or more years and have time to reflect on what he did wrong and how he could change for the better. Hiring one right away does not allow for that. Herm Edwards and Rex Ryan fall into that category, too. It sure looked like neither guy learned a thing after getting fired from his first gig, the Jets. Gase seems similarly pigheaded, though he deserves more than just 3 games here. I hope I'm wrong about him and he ends up a fine coach for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 14 hours ago, Larz said: It’s pretty common to take the first week off during a bye week Right, there is so little this team needs to work on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 13 hours ago, RobR said: It's also part of the CBA. Players of every single team must receive four consecutive days off with one of those days being Saturday. So everyone giving Gase sh*t because he gave them some time off has no idea what they're talking about. It's mandatory. Correct. The consecutive days off must include a Saturday and Sunday I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 12 hours ago, New York Mick said: This is obviously made up lies. Gase is a football god that walks on water and farts fruity pebble’s. Nothing is his fault. It’s bad luck or god. Where’s Jetsnut and Sar? Gase is being talked bad about, come save him. 10 hours ago, Skeptable said: Its mandatory to have 4 or 5 consecutive days off for the bye week... I forget if its 4 or 5... blame the CBA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! 1. Criticizes financial merit of PSL’s. 2. Relies on Forbes for sports. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 14 hours ago, BurnleyJet said: Burnt feet ? 14 hours ago, Drums said: With proper footwear That’s for cryo, schmucks. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I have some major concerns about Gase, but I agree with the decision to give them the week off. For this team to have any chance to compete going forward, they need to get some key starters back. The depth on this team is abysmal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, slimjasi said: I have some major concerns about Gase, but I agree with the decision to give them the week off. For this team to have any chance to compete going forward, they need to get some key starters back. The depth on this team is abysmal. Problem is we took the first 3 weeks of the season off too (aside from the first half against Buffalo). 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 4 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Right, there is so little this team needs to work on. Gotta disagree there they have a lot to work on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Jet Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 You need 4 consecutive days off which includes a saturday and a sunday so they could've practiced for monday Tuesday wednesday but then you are limited in the amount of full pad practices for the year. Why waste practices 2 weeks before the game? They do film study and game planning for those days and are off the rest of the week. Dumb article. The entire NFL does it this way. Do some research Forbes. Edit: Not a fan of Gase, still stupid article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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