Popular Post docdhc Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 Imagine how bad it would be around here if Macc had managed to sign this guy! https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2855902-the-minnesota-vikings-have-a-kirk-cousins-problem?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral Thus far this season, the Minnesota Vikings have paid quarterback Kirk Cousins approximately $7.3 million. And regardless of how he performs, Cousins will continue to earn about $1.8 million per week for the remainder of this season and all of next season. Do the math and Cousins made about $3 million per win during a remarkably disappointing debut season in Minnesota. This year, he's made about $2.4 million per touchdown pass. He has three of those through four games. His team is 2-2 this year, 10-9-1 since it handed the former Washington Redskin a fully guaranteed three-year, $84 million deal in the 2018 offseason. Cousins is approaching the midway point of that contract, and it's become obvious he'll never provide the Vikings with a positive return on their dubious investment. With Minnesota's 16-6 loss to the division-rival Chicago Bears on Sunday at Soldier Field, teams quarterbacked by Cousins are now 4-27 against opponents with winning records. Dylan Buell/Getty Images The Vikes hardly needed him in their two September wins. At home and favored in both cases, they rode running back Dalvin Cook and beat up on the Atlanta Falcons and Oakland Raiders. The 31-year-old signal-caller completed a grand total of 23 passes for 272 yards in those two games. But on the road against higher-quality opponents with substantially higher stakes, Cousins has again failed to be a hero. Two weeks after he completed just 14 of 32 passes and threw two interceptions in a loss to the Green Bay Packers, Cousins averaged just 6.5 yards per pass attempt and took six sacks while generating just one scoring drive all day against Chicago. His passer rating in those two easy wins: 122.0. His passer rating in the two tough losses: 73.4. It's the same horror film, and the most terrifying part is it probably can't end until that boondoggle contract expires in the 2021 offseason. Sunday's performance was actually worse than the numbers indicate. Minnesota didn't score for 57 minutes before finding the end zone in what was essentially garbage time. Cousins has spent much of his career accumulating stats with big leads or deficits, and this was no different. This game was relatively close for three-plus quarters, and Cousins didn't make an impact until it was far too late. Steve Palazzolo ✔@PFF_Steve Kirk Cousins’ biggest trick is coming out of this game with a passer rating of 90.4 457 7:19 PM - Sep 29, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 77 people are talking about this He suffered a strip sack on the first play of the third quarter, and he followed that up with four consecutive drives that ended in punts. He had just 133 passing yards prior to that late touchdown drive, and as a team the Vikings had just 182. He was under constant pressure, but he failed to adjust or improve his reaction time, and he was slow to pick up on the Chicago pass rush for all four quarters. The Vikings were admittedly facing one of the NFL's best defenses, but that's still unacceptable when you're trailing for the entire game. Ditto for the fact that Cousins completed just one pass that traveled 15-plus yards and attempted only three. On the first of those three attempts, he overthrew an open Adam Thielen on what would have been a first-quarter touchdown bomb. It wasn't an easy throw, but one you've got to make more often than not when you're the seventh-highest-paid player in NFL history. Chad Graff ✔@ChadGraff Adam Thielen: "At some point, you're not going to be able to run the ball for 180 yards, even with the best running back in the NFL. That's when you have to be able to throw the ball. ... You have to be able to hit the deep balls." 9,628 8:46 PM - Sep 29, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 2,187 people are talking about this Bad day at the office, but there have been too many of these days for us to give Cousins the benefit of the doubt. He's painfully inconsistent, and the mistakes he makes routinely in the first three quarters usually leave him and his team with no margin for error when games are on the line. And that's why the Vikings failed to make the playoffs despite having the league's fourth-rated defense last season. It's why they're 2-2 this year despite the fact that the D has surrendered 21 or fewer points in all four contests. Including Minnesota, five teams have given up fewer than 16 points per game this season. The other four are a combined 12-4. Only eight teams gave up fewer points than Minnesota did last year, and six of those eight made the playoffs. Essentially, a quarter of the way through Cousins' second season with the Vikings, he's provided substantial proof that his dud first season was no fluke. Fans have already soured on the $84 million man, and his comically low pass attempt total suggests the Vikings coaching staff has also lost faith. AJ Fredrickson@AJ_FREDRICKSON Vikings fans every time they see Kirk Cousins run out onto the field for another drive Maybe we all should have seen this coming. Cousins was in the right place at the right time as a free agent in 2018. The supply and demand dynamics at the quarterback position were even more warped then than they are now, and the Vikings swung the bat on a veteran quarterback who had a losing record and only one Pro Bowl nod on his resume. He's the highest-paid player of all time who hasn't been to a Super Bowl (he hasn't won a playoff game), and he and Carson Wentz are the only players making that kind of money despite not having played in multiple Pro Bowls. He was a fourth-round pick with obvious flaws coming into the league, and he's since feasted on a few flashes in the pan. "Kirk Cousins, Franchise Quarterback" has never seemed sustainable. And now it's apparent that Minnesota's $84 million experiment is backfiring. Unfortunately for an organization that has already dropped over $30 million into that sinkhole, the Vikings are likely handcuffed to Cousins for another 15 months and $50-odd million. Buyer beware. Better luck in 2021. It's a cold biz. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 Cousins is a loser, plain and simple. We dodged a major bullet there. 17 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sec101row23 Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just think if Maccagnan actually executed his plan A. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gastineau Lives Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 I hope Anthony Barr plays with them the whole time. 10 3 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Rough start to the year to be sure. NFC North also brutal. All those teams are pretty good. It's like the anti-AFC East 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: Just think if Maccagnan actually executed his plan A. If he had, Cousins might've won just enough games last year to keep Macc and maybe even Bowles around this year... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightBoyz Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Def dodged a bullet by not signing him. He sucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Misery loves company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: Cousins is a loser, plain and simple. We dodged a major bullet there. Did we actually dodge a bullet or did Cousins just aim at someone else? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I am just hoping that he films a mini-series as he is callously released when it is not prohibitive to the salary cap. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 +1 to OP, indeed, thank God! Imagine, we might be 0-3 headed towards 0-7 today if we had sig........oh, right. Well, thank God we saved our owners money at least. As a Fan, nothing is more important to me than how much of our Team Owners money we save for him. Thank God we dodged that bullet by intentionally offering that guy the most money and begging him to sign here, and yet being such a pathetic perennial loser of franchise that he opted to go elsewhere. That, indeed, was true front office brilliance indeed. I'm so glad we keep dodging these bullets. 2 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post varjet Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 We know today that Mike Maccagnan was a far, far, far worse GM than we even appreciated 6 months ago. His only good moves were lucky. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Could have been stuck with Matt Ryan for a decade, too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 We are in 100 times worse a spot than Minny player wise so no I am not about to say 'At least we are not them!' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, varjet said: We know today that Mike Maccagnan was a far, far, far worse GM than we even appreciated 6 months ago. His only good moves were lucky. Correction...move...singular, when Darnold fell. But again, no one should lose sight of this, Maccagnan was about to be FIRED in Houston, why? Obviously because of what transpired with the Jets...he’s a terrible evaluator of talent, and either had juice to keep his jobs or kissed up to his bosses non stop. I think Maccagnan might be the only guy in NFL history to be elevated to a GM position while about to be fired as a Scout. He had the Jets checkbook open for Cousins to sign at even bigger dollars than Minnesota gave him and at that exact time Cousins was 4-26 vs Winning teams, and the trend continues TODAY. Minnesota will NEVER win a Super Bowl with Cousins and it is highly doubtful they even make a strong playoff run. Would have been better flushing their $100Mill, but Maccagnan was fully prepared to give him the money, which would have bought himself more undeserved paychecks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Could have been stuck with Matt Ryan for a decade, too. Imagine how rag arm Ryan would have looked with just an average offense surrounding him, and not a totally stacked one he was blessed with his entire career? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 @shevys and @FidelioJet, clearly butthurt at my pride and enjoyment of our organizations brilliance in dodging this bullet so perfectly in route the great place we are today. There, now you two can buttfumble this post too. You're welcome. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FidelioJet Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Warfish said: @shevys and @FidelioJet, clearly butthurt at my pride and enjoyment of our organizations brilliance in dodging this bullet so perfectly in route the great place we are today. There, now you two can buttfumble this post too. You're welcome. ? No ones butt hurt, but I think you missed the point - not getting Cousins is not about the money but the opportunity cost of missing out on Darnold. It would have put the franchise back 3 more years and we would have to started over after his contract. Because Mac didn't get what he wanted we have a franchise QB and can now begin our true rebuild. Acting like you don't understand that point is butt fumble worthy. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, JiF said: Did we actually dodge a bullet or did Cousins just aim at someone else? potato, potahto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: Cousins is a loser, plain and simple. We dodged a major bullet there. but we went and signed Tru for 72 mill, which is even worse..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Losmeister said: but we went and signed Tru for 72 mill, which is even worse..... Not really. By signing Cousins, the Vikings are costing themselves chances to draft a franchise QB of their own. It's basically kicking the can down the road. The Trumaine Johnson signing only prevented us from drafting a CB1. Damaging, yes, but not as damaging as the opportunity cost of missing out on a potential young franchise QB. As talented as the Vikings are, it's still better to have Darnold to build around. If Sam doesn't turn out to be a franchise QB, OK, we messed up. But it's better to try to build around a young guy on his rookie deal than spending big money on a QB that is only good enough to put you at pick # 20 without being capable of winning playoff games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Tru made us significantly worse while tryna win w/ an inexperienced QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2019 20 minutes ago, Losmeister said: Tru made us significantly worse while tryna win w/ an inexperienced QB. My point still stands. The Trumaine Johnson signing pales in comparison to the opportunity cost the Vikings are losing out on from making Cousins their "franchise" guy. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Yeah but think of all those 2nd round picks we would have had to spend on Safeties and un-athletic Linebackers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: My point still stands. The Trumaine Johnson signing pales in comparison to the opportunity cost the Vikings are losing out on from making Cousins their "franchise" guy. idgaf about the fffing vikings.... 2 shcitt signings... i still think our signing is worse....we made our team worse- Vikes... they are getting the same QBing they had, but overpaying, we are overpaying for making our D significantly worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, dbatesman said: Cousins is a loser, plain and simple. We dodged a major bullet there. This is clearly a case of the Jets being lucky rather than good at assembling a roster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I have been calling him a "compiler" for a VERY long time. He sucks, plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: My point still stands. The Trumaine Johnson signing pales in comparison to the opportunity cost the Vikings are losing out on from making Cousins their "franchise" guy. Agreed. The anchor of Trumaine's contract is nothing compared to Cousins. Even worse for the Vikings, they'll never bench Cousins and will live in mediocrity with him. I give the Jets credit for one thing....sitting Trumaine when he's underperforming. Nobody in Minnesota has the balls to do that with Cousins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Losmeister said: idgaf about the fffing vikings.... 2 shcitt signings... i still think our signing is worse....we made our team worse- Vikes... they are getting the same QBing they had, but overpaying, we are overpaying for making our D significantly worse. Well this thread is about the Kirk Cousins-led Vikings, so its odd that you would make a comparison between the two signings and then say you "don't give a f***" about the other team in the comparison. We get it, Trumaine Johnson is terrible. I opposed the signing from the start. He's a CB2 that only is effective as a press-coverage guy on a team with a pass rush. We paid him to be a CB1 and do something he simply can't do. At least we can get out of it on June 1, 2020. The Vikings don't have that luxury with Cousins. Since his contract is fully guaranteed they'll have to wait until after the 2020 season when his contract expires, and in the meantime will likely have late 1st round picks in the 2020 and 2021 drafts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: This is clearly a case of the Jets being lucky rather than good at assembling a roster. 100%. But I'll take it! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I've never been more right than I was about Cousins. So glad he didn't pick us. We would be utterly hopeless right now. This franchise would have nothing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Warfish said: @shevys and @FidelioJet, clearly butthurt at my pride and enjoyment of our organizations brilliance in dodging this bullet so perfectly in route the great place we are today. There, now you two can buttfumble this post too. You're welcome. ? In my defense, I didn't buttfumble your post. I just didn't agree with the message or the tone, hence the down vote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 hours ago, sec101row23 said: Just think if Maccagnan actually executed his plan A. Mac and plan in the same sentence. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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