PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Yes, Falk sucks. Obviously. But Gase is the much bigger problem. When we're watching Falk, it's not that there are these intricately-designed plays with wide-open receivers. No. The blocking schemes are trash, the receivers aren't schemed open, and the play designs as a whole are just terrible. When people say that Gase shouldn't be blamed because he has to play a third-string QB, it implies that there are wide-open throwing and running lanes everywhere, and it's the players' failures for not hitting them. In reality, it's just crap play design. If you put Brady back there and made him run those plays, he'd look terrible, too. But not because of a bad OL, it's because the coach isn't getting the best out of his players. And I think that really sums it up. Gase is not putting his players in positions to succeed, so even with good players, they'd still fail. 10 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JustInFudge Posted October 6, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2019 I was actually really impressed with the offense today. They scored a TD. It was sweet!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 They both suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, PCP63 said: Yes, Falk sucks. Obviously. But Gase is the much bigger problem. When we're watching Falk, it's not that there are these intricately-designed plays with wide-open receivers. No. The blocking schemes are trash, the receivers aren't schemed open, and the play designs as a whole are just terrible. When people say that Gase shouldn't be blamed because he has to play a third-string QB, it implies that there are wide-open throwing and running lanes everywhere, and it's the players' failures for not hitting them. In reality, it's just crap play design. If you put Brady back there and made him run those plays, he'd look terrible, too. But not because of a bad OL, it's because the coach isn't getting the best out of his players. And I think that really sums it up. Gase is not putting his players in positions to succeed, so even with good players, they'd still fail. You should have stopped right after those 1st 4 words. Gase can't be evaluated with a QB that should be in Div. I college. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, JiF said: I was actually really impressed with the offense today. They scored a TD. It was sweet!!! I know you're joking but I thought this was his best coaching job of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 The real problem is the Johnsons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Ken Shroy said: You should have stopped right after those 1st 4 words. Gase can't be evaluated with a QB that should be in Div. I college. Same excuse Bowles had his first 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: I know you're joking but I thought this was his best coaching job of the season. By far! Seriously. It was encouraging. I'm backing off my hate a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Nope biggest problem is the f’ing ol. How do you give up 10 sacks to a team that had what 2 sacks all year. They can’t run block either. Never seen a ol so bad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Ken Shroy said: You should have stopped right after those 1st 4 words. Gase can't be evaluated with a QB that should be in Div. I college. Yes he can be! With the plays Gase is drawing up, NO QB would succeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: Same excuse Bowles had his first 3 years Well you shouldn't have given him that excuse, because I didn't. Nice try though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Rolloffjet said: Nope biggest problem is the f’ing ol. How do you give up 10 sacks to a team that had what 2 sacks all year. They can’t run block either. Never seen a ol so bad. Yeah, they do suck. Gase needs to ******* coach them up. That's his job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 The roster is very very bad and the coaching is uninspired at best. Plain and simple. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, PCP63 said: Yes, Falk sucks. Obviously. But Gase is the much bigger problem. When we're watching Falk, it's not that there are these intricately-designed plays with wide-open receivers. No. The blocking schemes are trash, the receivers aren't schemed open, and the play designs as a whole are just terrible. When people say that Gase shouldn't be blamed because he has to play a third-string QB, it implies that there are wide-open throwing and running lanes everywhere, and it's the players' failures for not hitting them. In reality, it's just crap play design. If you put Brady back there and made him run those plays, he'd look terrible, too. But not because of a bad OL, it's because the coach isn't getting the best out of his players. And I think that really sums it up. Gase is not putting his players in positions to succeed, so even with good players, they'd still fail. By this logic Gase should be able to win with Kevin Hart at WR and Richard Simmons at QB. Falks' performance was so abysmal it's hard to be that mad at him.. he's simply incapable of being a QB in the NFL. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, PCP63 said: Yes he can be! With the plays Gase is drawing up, NO QB would succeed. Whatever you say genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, PCP63 said: Yes he can be! With the plays Gase is drawing up, NO QB would succeed. Darnold will next week. If it was that easy just to "scheme" a game plan for a scrub QB they wouldn't be so important. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Pac said: By this logic Gase should be able to win with Kevin Hart at WR and Richard Simmons at QB. Falks' performance was so bad it's hard to be that mad at him.. he's simply incapable of being a QB in the NFL. I didn't say we could WIN with a bad QB. What I'm saying is that with the play designs of Gase, there are always unblocked guys, and never any open wide receivers. I mean, have you seen how wide open Pats WRs are? That's not skill, that's coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, ECURB said: Darnold will next week. If it was that easy just to "scheme" a game plan for a scrub QB they wouldn't be so important. We'll be just as bad when he's back in. Darnold can make the throws... but they won't be there to make in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, JiF said: I was actually really impressed with the offense today. They scored a TD. It was sweet!!! It really was magnificynt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, PCP63 said: I didn't say we could WIN with a bad QB. What I'm saying is that with the play designs of Gase, there are always unblocked guys, and never any open wide receivers. I mean, have you seen how wide open Pats WRs are? That's not skill, that's coaching. That's a function of having a QB who the defense respects 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, PCP63 said: I didn't say we could WIN with a bad QB. What I'm saying is that with the play designs of Gase, there are always unblocked guys, and never any open wide receivers. I mean, have you seen how wide open Pats WRs are? That's not skill, that's coaching. I agree that the O-line's never-ending confusion is a reflection on Gase and Pollaks coaching... That said they weren't responsible for at least half of the sacks today. It was reminiscent of Greg Mcelroy coming in and getting sacked 11 times when the team hadn't allowed anywhere near that many sacks before he played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, PCP63 said: I didn't say we could WIN with a bad QB. What I'm saying is that with the play designs of Gase, there are always unblocked guys, and never any open wide receivers. I mean, have you seen how wide open Pats WRs are? That's not skill, that's coaching. Boy you really know football. Newsflash, our WR's suck. All the coaching in the world won't help talent challenged players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rolloffjet said: Nope biggest problem is the f’ing ol. How do you give up 10 sacks to a team that had what 2 sacks all year. They can’t run block either. Never seen a ol so bad. And 6 of those sacks was falk holding the ball forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, Ken Shroy said: Boy you really know football. Newsflash, our WR's suck. All the coaching in the world won't help talent challenged players. Yes, it does help. Hence how the Patriots consistently dominate no matter their personnel outside of QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 The receivers aren't schemed open? What exactly does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 The gase thing....,, on one hand I want to give him a pass because of the personel he hast to deal with but on the other hand I want him gone because despite what he was given he can’t seem to do anything interesting and there is a history behind him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: The receivers aren't schemed open? What exactly does that mean? Much of receivers' separation has to do with intelligent play design. Could be through alignment, pre-snap movement, picks, good route combinations, etc. It's not ALL player skill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, PCP63 said: Yes, it does help. Hence how the Patriots consistently dominate no matter their personnel outside of QB. Yes, it's called drafting. next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pac said: By this logic Gase should be able to win with Kevin Hart at WR and Richard Simmons at QB. Falks' performance was so abysmal it's hard to be that mad at him.. he's simply incapable of being a QB in the NFL. These are backups and third stringers playing against one of the elite teams in the NFL; backups and third stringers to starters that weren't that good to begin with too. That anyone can actually sit here and identify playcalling or whatever as anything near the primary problem today isn't tilting at windmills, they're launching nukes at them. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, PCP63 said: Yes, Falk sucks. Obviously. But Gase is the much bigger problem. When we're watching Falk, it's not that there are these intricately-designed plays with wide-open receivers. No. The blocking schemes are trash, the receivers aren't schemed open, and the play designs as a whole are just terrible. When people say that Gase shouldn't be blamed because he has to play a third-string QB, it implies that there are wide-open throwing and running lanes everywhere, and it's the players' failures for not hitting them. In reality, it's just crap play design. If you put Brady back there and made him run those plays, he'd look terrible, too. But not because of a bad OL, it's because the coach isn't getting the best out of his players. And I think that really sums it up. Gase is not putting his players in positions to succeed, so even with good players, they'd still fail. this post is, i dunno, worth ten scrotums/sacs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Just now, PCP63 said: Much of receivers' separation has to do with intelligent play design. lol wat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: The receivers aren't schemed open? What exactly does that mean? It means according to him, that any shlub off the street will be good with good coaching. Crap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said: lol wat What part of that do you dispute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Well personally I think my sh*t smells better than yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, PCP63 said: What part of that do you dispute? Nothing. You're absolutely right. Julio Jones gets separation because Dan Quinn calls the good plays. If he played under Gase, he'd be subject to the bad plays and then his name would be Juli-no Separation Jones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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