Popular Post ZachEY Posted October 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2019 In general, I've not been a fan of the argument that "if you do x, no one will want to come here," because there's only 32 of these jobs, and far fewer if you exclude the ones with quality entrenched coaches. But, if you fire a coach who lost his QB1, QB2, WR1, TE1, ILB1, ILB2, #3 overall pick, and more after 4 games, literally no one of any promise will come here. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Well you kinda knew this was coming. The Skins are going nowhere and Gruden was part of it. He will take the rest of this season off and then resurface as part of the Raiders organization in some capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, TeddEY said: In general, I've not been a fan of the argument that "if you do x, no one will want to come here," because there's only 32 of these jobs, and far fewer if you exclude the ones with quality entrenched coaches. But, if you fire a coach who lost his QB1, QB2, WR1, TE1, ILB1, ILB2, #3 overall pick, and more after 4 games, literally no one of any promise will come here. They had a #1 WR?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, slats said: This, and... is Dan Snyder the guy you want Jets ownership to emulate? Snyder made Gruden show up at the facility at 5:00 AM this morning to fire him. LOL. Snyder is a real mofo. Be here by 5:00 AM so I can fire you in person as early as humanly possible No class at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, New York Mick said: They had a #1 WR?? On the depth chart. Hard to blame Gase for Macc’s complete and total incompetence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 Just now, TeddEY said: On the depth chart. Hard to blame Gase for Macc’s complete and total incompetence. Anderson is still playing (sort of) Enunwa was nothing more then a waste of a roster spot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I find it hard to believe Jay Gruden couldnt help this coaching staffSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, sec101row23 said: You guys are wasting a lot of energy and anxiety worrying over Gase’s employment status with the Jets. He isn’t going to be fired today, tomorrow or in December. It’s just not happening. Mostly idgiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, New York Mick said: Anderson is still playing (sort of) Enunwa was nothing more then a waste of a roster spot. That's not how the Jets viewed him, or particularly relevant to the fire Gase after 4 games argument, as either way, you're acknowledging that there's no WR talent on the team, by injury or otherwise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, TeddEY said: That's not how the Jets viewed him, or particularly relevant to the fire Gase after 4 games argument, as either way, you're acknowledging that there's no WR talent on the team, by injury or otherwise. If this group of receivers played on a good team they’d be fine. Replace the Pats receivers/backs with the Jets. Pats OLine, Pats coaching and Brady with Bell, Montgomery, Anderson, Crowder and D Thomas. The Pats are still undefeated and all of them have good stats for their positions and depth. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, New York Mick said: If this group of receivers played on a good team they’d be fine. Replace the Pats receivers/backs with the Jets. Pats OLine, Pats coaching and Brady with Bell, Montgomery, Anderson, Crowder and D Thomas. The Pats are still undefeated and all of them have good stats for their positions and depth. I suppose we can agree that the team is so bad that our awful group of WRs is like 5th on the list of problems. Meanwhile, the only thing that we can verify in this non-falsifable scenario is that the Pats coach thought so highly of D. Thomas, he let him go to the Jets, after not making a single deal with the Jets over his entire career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, TeddEY said: I suppose we can agree that the team is so bad that our awful group of WRs is like 5th on the list of problems. Meanwhile, the only thing that we can verify in this non-falsifable scenario is that the Pats coach thought so highly of D. Thomas, he let him go to the Jets, after not making a single deal with the Jets over his entire career. 1. Oline 2. DBs 3. Passrusher 4. Coaching 5. WR He’d be 5th behind Bell, Crowder, Anderson and Montgomery so he’d still be expendable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I can't really feel bad for Gruden. Too many guys are too desperate for that head coaching job and take it situations that are extremely unlikely to succeed. I get there's "only 32" of those jobs, but if you're willing to talk into a tire fire just to get one then you should expect to get burned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Just now, New York Mick said: 1. Oline 2. DBs 3. Passrusher 4. Coaching 5. WR He’d be 5th behind Bell, Crowder, Anderson and Montgomery so he’d still be expendable. You left QB off this list, which is either 1 or 2 (Darnold is not on the field), and this is a representation of how bad this team is, and why it's it's hard for me to even evaluate coaching when you're poor group of WRs is like the 5th biggest problem, and the problem you've listed as #1 is actually 5 human beings, not one, and the problem you listed as 2, is also more than one human being. Essentially, the problem is most of the roster. Fix some of these things, and I'll worry about strategy and play calling. Until then, I'm not going to stress how a coach is able to manage Luke Falk and the offensive line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Washington is 26th in yards per game this year.....the jets have over 100 yards less per game than washington. Washington is a dreadful 30th in point scored this year....they have twice as many points as the Jets. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Anderson is still playing (sort of) Enunwa was nothing more then a waste of a roster spot. Fire Gase and Joe Douglas! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: 1 hour ago, New York Mick said: Ouch. We can relate. 52 minutes ago, New York Mick said: If this group of receivers played on a good team they’d be fine. Replace the Pats receivers/backs with the Jets. Pats OLine, Pats coaching and Brady with Bell, Montgomery, Anderson, Crowder and D Thomas. The Pats are still undefeated and all of them have good stats for their positions and depth. Jeremy Kerley would be Julian Edelman on the Pats. Julian Edelman would be Jeremy Kerley on the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Gruden sux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClashFan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 hours ago, sec101row23 said: You guys are wasting a lot of energy and anxiety worrying over Gase’s employment status with the Jets. He isn’t going to be fired today, tomorrow or in December. It’s just not happening. Yeah, unless there's something dramatically bad about him that we don't yet know about, he'll last the year. I think he was a bad hire and will end up failing, but at least give him this year to see what develops. Hey, the dude ran a reverse yesterday, so maybe he's just now learning about misdirection? Also, as crappy as the Jets are, do we really want to use the Redskins as a model of how to be behave? No, thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 hours ago, CTM said: The funny thing is I dont think theres anyone here who would advocate sitting through a season and a 1/2 of this let alone 6 years. You dont fire a coach after 4 games in which hes lost his #1 and #2 QB. It's that simple. When Darnold comes back and we still suck as bad as we did without him, you fire the mistake of a hire. It's that easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: When Darnold comes back and we still suck as bad as we did without him, you fire the mistake of a hire. It's that easy. If Darnold comes back and the offense continues to look like this then yes you strongly consider dumping Gase at the end of the year. I don't think it will. I think Falk doesn't belong on a CFL field let alone NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, TeddEY said: You left QB off this list, which is either 1 or 2 (Darnold is not on the field), and this is a representation of how bad this team is, and why it's it's hard for me to even evaluate coaching when you're poor group of WRs is like the 5th biggest problem, and the problem you've listed as #1 is actually 5 human beings, not one, and the problem you listed as 2, is also more than one human being. Essentially, the problem is most of the roster. Fix some of these things, and I'll worry about strategy and play calling. Until then, I'm not going to stress how a coach is able to manage Luke Falk and the offensive line. When the HC is saying the lineman are blocking the wrong people/gap and receivers are running the wrong route and there’s miscommunication after a bye week there’s something wrong with practice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 5 hours ago, nyjunc said: I wish we had bill Callahan as our OL coach He'll be available in January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhuntr Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Bowles...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 6:10 AM, New York Mick said: They’re talking about it on NFL radio. Even with all the injuries they still believe the team should go a different direction. They lose to the patriots, have a bunch of injuries and are missing their best OT and they still fire him. Does this mean coaches can be held accountable in those situations? No it means hes been there for 6 seasons, had one 9-7 winning seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 23 hours ago, New York Mick said: If this group of receivers played on a good team they’d be fine. Replace the Pats receivers/backs with the Jets. Pats OLine, Pats coaching and Brady with Bell, Montgomery, Anderson, Crowder and D Thomas. The Pats are still undefeated and all of them have good stats for their positions and depth. And somehow Bellichick went 6-10 with a better OL, a similar defense and Bledsoe. Today we forget 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 8:51 AM, sec101row23 said: You guys are wasting a lot of energy and anxiety worrying over Gase’s employment status with the Jets. He isn’t going to be fired today, tomorrow or in December. It’s just not happening. Woody ain't paying 2 GMs and 3 HCs next year. Anybody who thinks he is, is deluding themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: No it means hes been there for 6 seasons, had one 9-7 winning seasons. Sounds like Gase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Sounds like Gase. Gase made the playoffs 1 of 3 seasons and went into week 15 or 16 with a chance last year. Doesnt sound like Gase to me, just to someone who totally dislikes him, didnt want him here and now with all this team is struggling with cant stop blaming him without any consideration. Hes not going anywhere because he shouldnt, get over it until he has a chance to show what he is or isnt. Today isnt that time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Gase made the playoffs 1 of 3 seasons and went into week 15 or 16 with a chance last year. Doesnt sound like Gase to me, just to someone who totally dislikes him, didnt want him here and now with all this team is struggling with cant stop blaming him without any consideration. Hes not going anywhere because he shouldnt, get over it until he has a chance to show what he is or isnt. Today isnt that time JN this is a Jet board logical or reasonable thought has no place here.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Gase made the playoffs 1 of 3 seasons and went into week 15 or 16 with a chance last year. Doesnt sound like Gase to me, just to someone who totally dislikes him, didnt want him here and now with all this team is struggling with cant stop blaming him without any consideration. Hes not going anywhere because he shouldnt, get over it until he has a chance to show what he is or isnt. Today isnt that time He sucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, New York Mick said: He sucks Yeah you keep repeating yourself Its mindless at this point and boring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, Jet Nut said: Yeah you keep repeating yourself Because he keeps repeating his performance. Read my earlier post. Gase said guys are blocking wrong and receivers are running the wrong routes. That’s bad coaching no matter how you want to blindly spin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Because he keeps repeating his performance. Read my earlier post. Gase said guys are blocking wrong and receivers are running the wrong routes. That’s bad coaching no matter how you want to blindly spin it. If I tell you the right way to do something so you don't get hurt and you don't do it and get hurt that's on me?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Because he keeps repeating his performance. Read my earlier post. Gase said guys are blocking wrong and receivers are running the wrong routes. That’s bad coaching no matter how you want to blindly spin it. Thats as simplistic a compliant as there is. When you find a HC who coaches the OL and WR s to the point that their mistakes are his fault get back to us Gase helps coach those units more than any coach we've had since I dont know when but whine on about this nonsense Anyone who thinks the mess could be straightened out with a coaching change has no business talking. Or mindlessly down voting every post that offers a differing perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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