joewilly12 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, jetstream23 said: To be fair, Quinnen Williams needs just one more sack to tie Aaron Donald this season. (In other words, let's not go crazy about a rookie's performance so far on a bad team where he's been limited due to injury.) We need rookie difference makers not JAG's 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: We need rookie difference makers not JAG's We need a LOT of things, man. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarJet Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I am usually just an observer here but....The number 3 draft pick MUST be a difference maker, regardless of position they are drafted for. We can argue, and mostly agree, that we should have drafted an edge rusher instead of an interior lineman... that’s on the crappy GM we had. But at 3, Q better play the position better than most. Having said that he has had 1 game. To be fair the jury is out. But to have high expectations of a 3 pick is justified. We saw some good things from him Sunday, but he needs to come up the learning curve quickly to justify his draft spot. Like.... not letting a QB duck under you. JJ Watt doesn’t let that happen. Q I wish you all the best in validating your high draft pick!!Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Guys, 1 game. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, GuitarJet said: I am usually just an observer here but....The number 3 draft pick MUST be a difference maker, regardless of position they are drafted for. We can argue, and mostly agree, that we should have drafted an edge rusher instead of an interior lineman... that’s on the crappy GM we had. But at 3, Q better play the position better than most. Having said that he has had 1 game. To be fair the jury is out. But to have high expectations of a 3 pick is justified. We saw some good things from him Sunday, but he needs to come up the learning curve quickly to justify his draft spot. Like.... not letting a QB duck under you. JJ Watt doesn’t let that happen. Q I wish you all the best in validating your high draft pick!! Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app In the game last week, he blew up the pocket a few times and Eagles OL is among the best in the league, especially Kelce. Cowboys have a good line but their 2 tackles are out. I bet GW finds a way to get a lot of pressure on Dak... And although not shown in the statistics, the Jets are still one of the best run defenses in the league. I think they can stop Elliot and force Dak to beat them. If they can get some pressure with Jenkins and Copeland back and Baby Williams playing even better I think the Jets can limit Cowboys severely. But I agree... Second week back from injury... #3 in the Draft... highly touted as the 2nd best player in the draft... he has to be a game wrecker or its a failed pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sammybighead said: Guys, 1 game. 1 Yes, but what they are saying is not untrue.... QW has to be a game wrecker or else you can view this as a failure of a pick with all the other pass rushers that were available... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 He'll never be worth the draft slot but he'll end up a much better player than Leo. I know it's not saying much but QW is a much better athlete and light years ahead of Leo when it comes to get-off. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammybighead Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Skeptable said: Yes, but what they are saying is not untrue.... QW has to be a game wrecker or else you can view this as a failure of a pick with all the other pass rushers that were available... Agree. But can we give him more than 1 game to show us? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarJet Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Agree. But can we give him more than 1 game to show us? Yes absolutely he should be given more than 1 game. But the expectation is justified. Again at #3 pick, the learning curve should be relatively shallow. Let’s see in a month how much impact he’s had. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, RobR said: He'll never be worth the draft slot but he'll end up a much better player than Leo. I know it's not saying much but QW is a much better athlete and light years ahead of Leo when it comes to get-off. Yep. Leo is a below average athlete, QW is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 43 minutes ago, RobR said: He'll never be worth the draft slot but he'll end up a much better player than Leo. I know it's not saying much but QW is a much better athlete and light years ahead of Leo when it comes to get-off. It's almost impossible to live up to being picked in the Top 5. Invariably you end up with one or two busts, one or two good to very good players and maybe two great ones. It's really hard to live up to the pick because there are always at least a dozen guys taken in the rest of Round 1 or Round 2 who turn out to be better. Here are a few recent drafts that probably reflect this... That's a mix of elite players, very good ones not worth a Top 5 pick, and several busts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 18 hours ago, joewilly12 said: We need rookie difference makers not JAG's Who is a JAG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I don’t get you guys. The only other real option at 3 was Josh Allen who has been okay so far. You can argue Oliver but he and QW when healthy are about equal. And where are all the “let’s trade down for Jonah” people who knew everything? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 13 hours ago, CTM said: Yep. Leo is a below average athlete, QW is not. Dude it’s QW’s fault Leo sucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 17 hours ago, jetstream23 said: We need a LOT of things, man. Haha so true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Who is a JAG The players we've been drafting outside of a very select few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Through his first 5 games Aaron donald had 12 tackles and 1 sack. It’s entirely possible the NFL is an adjustment for even good college players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 QW played 1 1/2 weeks and look good he is no where near a jag. He will only improve but is already better than Leo. This fan base is crazy if his play is not all pro from first game he’s a jag is just insane. 18 hours ago, joewilly12 said: We need rookie difference makers not JAG's 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rolloffjet said: QW played 1 1/2 weeks and look good he is no where near a jag. He will only improve but is already better than Leo. This fan base is crazy if his play is not all pro from first game he’s a jag is just insane. Actions speak louder than words, looking forward to seeing QW become a game changer hopefully not another DeWayne-Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: I don’t get you guys. The only other real option at 3 was Josh Allen who has been okay so far. You can argue Oliver but he and QW when healthy are about equal. And where are all the “let’s trade down for Jonah” people who knew everything? The jets should have traded down whether it was for jonah or not they should have done it even for lesser than book value. Olivers metrics are much better than Quinnens, Oliver was more than a one year wonder. Oliver was not playing on a stacked team. Mac should have traded down, taken oliver or a CB or a guy like Burns whatever. He should not have drafted yet another DT in the mold of all our other DTs that have had limited success here. I would have traded right out of the 1st for future picks. Chris johnston giving mac one last draft to F'ck up was as unforgivable as if he had let bowles had another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 15 hours ago, jetstream23 said: It's almost impossible to live up to being picked in the Top 5. Invariably you end up with one or two busts, one or two good to very good players and maybe two great ones. It's really hard to live up to the pick because there are always at least a dozen guys taken in the rest of Round 1 or Round 2 who turn out to be better. Here are a few recent drafts that probably reflect this... That's a mix of elite players, very good ones not worth a Top 5 pick, and several busts. Whoa, are you saying that Blake Bortles' talent doesn't so far eclipse all other players drafted that it doesn't make him a good pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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