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Jets’ Adam Gase stuck in brutal offensive line catch-22

Updated 7:38 AM; Today 6:05 AM

We’ve all heard the line before: The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

Well, Adam Gase got sick of bashing his head against the wall. So, after three games, he made a change.

The Jets’ head coach installed left guard Alex Lewis (out of necessity, with Kelechi Osemele injured) and right tackle Chuma Edoga for Week 5 against the Eagles, hoping a lineup change would finally shift the results.

They did. Kind of.

His offensive line had its worst game yet.

Now, Gase is mulling another remake of his starting five.

“I mean, if we feel like we have to,” Gase said. “I think we are going to go through practice today and we are going to just keep moving guys around, we are going to keep giving guys reps just like we did last week. We will just kind of see how we feel at the end of the week.”

That’s the natural instinct for a coach who knows he desperately needs to fix his offense’s issues in the trenches; find a new combination, a new set of personnel that might work better than the last.

But the offensive line, more than any other spot on the field, depends on consistency. Players work best when they know their neighbors. A strong working relationship is vital – and, in many cases, only possible if a line remains the same for an extended period of time.

Gase knows that. As he said Wednesday: “You’d love to be able to say these are our five and here we go.”

One problem: Gase still doesn’t seem to know who those best five players actually are.

“I think we are trying to figure that out,” he said.

That’s going to make it awfully tricky for the Jets to “put those first four (games) behind” them, like Gase wants them to, in order to move forward.

Right now, his offensive line is stuck in neutral, instead. At some point, Gase may have to simply make a choice and live with it – instincts be damned. Maybe some craziness – or, at the very least, some totally unjustified confidence – can help save this unit.

Worth a shot. Clearly, nothing else has worked so far.

Matt Stypulkoski may be reached at mstypulkoski@njadvancemedia.com. 

https://www.nj.com/jets/2019/10/jets-adam-gase-stuck-in-brutal-offensive-line-catch-22.html

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2 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

but you have no idea what the RESULT will be...  could be worse yet

Harrison started 6 or so weeks at C last year. Was he Nick Mangold? No, but he didnt make a complete and total ass out of himself, either. 

 

Khalil is physically DONE. Winters is garbage. 

 

Lewis looks like a competent OG, Beachum is a competent OT, and Shell is adequate.  If Harrison is the same player he was last season, and Compton or another guy plays with some awareness (something Winters has never done), we can MAYBE get  competent line play. 

 

Is THAT too much to ask?

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I wonder if part of the reason Kalil was out there the past few weeks was to help out Falk.  Brand new QB who has never taken a snap in a regular season game.  It would seem to make sense that you want him out there with the 12+ year vet who has seen every sort of defense played in the NFL.  Which would be great if the 12 year vet could still play at a competent level.  But he hasn't.

Now, Darnold is back.  He played well last year behind Harrison.  No need to keep putting Kalil out there anymore.  Hopefully Harrison will be back in the starting lineup on Sunday.

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33 minutes ago, Larz said:

The line is was kinda sorta ok until they put kalil at center then it went to hell 

this isn’t difficult 

In preseason? Because the line was nowhere near sorta ok last year. Darnold was running for his life and/or getting drilled virtually every play.  

I’d be in favor of seeing Harrison in for Kalil. But Harrison isn’t good, nor average. He’s really bad. 

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26 minutes ago, Lith said:

I wonder if part of the reason Kalil was out there the past few weeks was to help out Falk.  Brand new QB who has never taken a snap in a regular season game.  It would seem to make sense that you want him out there with the 12+ year vet who has seen every sort of defense played in the NFL.  Which would be great if the 12 year vet could still play at a competent level.  But he hasn't.

Now, Darnold is back.  He played well last year behind Harrison.  No need to keep putting Kalil out there anymore.  Hopefully Harrison will be back in the starting lineup on Sunday.

That could be a decent theory but Khalil was put in as a starter before we knew Sam had mono. 

And really, that’s the whole reason they brought him in. So it would help Sam with setting protections and all that. 

I’m not giving up on him just yet. And it’s honestly more so the right side that’s awful between shell and Winters. And sadly there’s no answer to fix it really. 

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48 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Harrison started 6 or so weeks at C last year. Was he Nick Mangold? No, but he didnt make a complete and total ass out of himself, either. 

 

Khalil is physically DONE. Winters is garbage. 

 

Lewis looks like a competent OG, Beachum is a competent OT, and Shell is adequate.  If Harrison is the same player he was last season, and Compton or another guy plays with some awareness (something Winters has never done), we can MAYBE get  competent line play. 

 

Is THAT too much to ask?

i'll nevere have a problem saying winters is garbage...   soon as i saw him play i knew this...   but, like darron lee, people defended this guy...

anyway..  am down with Kalil benching, but shell and beachum are SOOOOO erratic...

again, you absolutely have no idea if this will be and improvement...   THATS my point...

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Hopefully draft a franchise LT for the future in Round 1, Sign an OG in FA, Draft a starting caliber Center in Round 2 or 3.  I think those are the 3 key moves for next year.  You have to hope you can utilize somebody like Lewis (maybe Osemele) at one Guard spot and that Brandon Shell or Edoga mans the RT position.

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16 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

i'll nevere have a problem saying winters is garbage...   soon as i saw him play i knew this...   but, like darron lee, people defended this guy...

anyway..  am down with Kalil benching, but shell and beachum are SOOOOO erratic...

again, you absolutely have no idea if this will be and improvement...   THATS my point...

Winters and Edoga are trash, and Khalil isn't even a speed bump at this point. 

 

Shell and Beachum are adequate. Putting Harrison in and pulling Khalil out is an automatic upgrade.  Replacing Winters with someone who has a brain in his head is an upgrade. It's not going to be the Hogs, but it's better than what they've been putting on the field.  

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32 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Putting Harrison in and pulling Khalil out is an automatic upgrade.  Replacing Winters with someone who has a brain in his head is an upgrade.

or, the reason these dogs start is the guys behind them are, um, WORSE? You simply stating that it is an upgrade does not make it so. I mean, there is a POSSIBILITY it is an upgrade, but I tend to doubtthat it is a PROBABILITY.

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Just now, Losmeister said:

or, the reason these dogs start is the guys behind them are, um, WORSE? You simply stating that it is an upgrade does not make it so. I mean, there is a POSSIBILITY it is an upgrade, but I tend to doubtthat it is a PROBABILITY.

and I may be wrongs as well...   

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1 hour ago, Samtorobby47 said:

. And it’s honestly more so the right side that’s awful between shell and Winters. And sadly there’s no answer to fix it really. 

NO, it's the A-gaps mostly. Yeah, the edge had some issues, with exceptional DE talent especially. and last week every position seemed to get beat. but definitely the C and RG positions are very weak. and the C position also hurts the LG position if it's not being played well.

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1 hour ago, Saul Goodman said:

In preseason? Because the line was nowhere near sorta ok last year. Darnold was running for his life and/or getting drilled virtually every play.  

I’d be in favor of seeing Harrison in for Kalil. But Harrison isn’t good, nor average. He’s really bad. 

No, the playoffs 

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2 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said:

That could be a decent theory but Khalil was put in as a starter before we knew Sam had mono. 

And really, that’s the whole reason they brought him in. So it would help Sam with setting protections and all that. 

I’m not giving up on him just yet. And it’s honestly more so the right side that’s awful between shell and Winters. And sadly there’s no answer to fix it really. 

Maybe Khalil has mono?

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1 hour ago, jgb said:

Would love someone to ask Macc straight up what the hell he was thinking 

They’d have to find him first.  Not easy to do.

First step in finding him is NOT looking for him to be working for ANY NFL team, because he doesn’t, nor will he ever.  But then it gets really tough.  He could be anywhere.

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17 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Take. Out. Khalil.

 

FFS, man. C'mon.

 

Beachum

Lewis

Harrison

Anyone (Compton?)

Shell

 

Not that ******* hard, Adam. 

Our Guru..... lol 

it is sh*t like this that makes it easy to lose hope for Gase. Offensive guru / QB whisperer... yet doesn't seem to want to make obvious changes to try and improve. 

 

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16 hours ago, Samtorobby47 said:

That could be a decent theory but Khalil was put in as a starter before we knew Sam had mono. 

And really, that’s the whole reason they brought him in. So it would help Sam with setting protections and all that. 

I’m not giving up on him just yet. And it’s honestly more so the right side that’s awful between shell and Winters. And sadly there’s no answer to fix it really. 

Trent Williams.

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