Popular Post SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 Also Gase on him is hilarious: Sooooo why don’t we ask Leo to do what Donald does?! Seems to be working for him. But it’s obvious that was a “here’s a bs answer for you” from Gase. Still don’t understand why coaches seem to support him so much. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 So we signing him to a big new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Spoot-Face Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 Fingers crossed they're talking him up to elevate his trade value???? 14 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GreenFish Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 The stuff Leo does doesn’t show up on the stat sheet. It doesn’t show up on film either. You have to look through the matrix. 7 1 5 3 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Gase (paraphrasing): "What Leo and Aaron Donald are asked to do is different. It's play style." Oh, okay, so I guess Leo just isn't asked to get to the QB. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Ugh he sucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 I know it sounds crazy but one possibility is that the coaches know more than people on the internet. 12 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Rex syndrome. Leo isn’t as bad as some posters make him out to be but he’s not a top 3/4 DE. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I know it sounds crazy but one possibility is that the coaches know more than people on the internet. Not with this team. We have seen it FAR too often where the Fans are a step ahead of the press and two steps ahead of the coaching and front office. Also they can like it or not but a 6th overall pick who is going to want big money doing a job a late round pick or udfa can do is a factor. I do think they are shopping him and Williams is an old vet that is pumping up the tires. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 14 in Green Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 Aside from the obvious "Get your popcorn, this is going to be a great thread" remark... This just shows how very little most fans know about football and individual players, and how actual coaches and GMs evaluate them. It's normal that we as fans have opinions about different teams and players, and it's fun coming to a place like this to talk about them. But at the end of the day, we rarely have a clue what we're talking about. 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Fingers crossed they're talking him up to elevate his trade value???? Beat me to it. Sounds like they're talking him up before moving him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: Aside from the obvious "Get your popcorn, this is going to be a great thread" remark... This just shows how very little most fans know about football and individual players, and how actual coaches and GMs evaluate them. It's normal that we as fans have opinions about different teams and players, and it's fun coming to a place like this to talk about them. But at the end of the day, we rarely have a clue what we're talking about. Nah. Trade deadline is coming up later this month. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, RobR said: Beat me to it. Sounds like they're talking him up before moving him. You really think so Rob? Would that work in a sport like football where there is so much film available on a player like Leo? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DoubleDown Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 If it wasn't for his name and draft position, Leonard Williams would be a rotational backup defensive lineman trending toward being out of the league in the next couple of years. 6 1 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOJ Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I'll see if I can find the article but I read tpday that he only gets double team 17% of the time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Leo gets blocked a lot. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 I think he's been pretty bad this year. Conversely I don't think he was ever as bad as he got labeled prior to this year. There is a difference between being a bad player and not living up to expectations. Leonard Williams is a good player, in my opinion. He just isn't the type of player you want at #6 in the draft. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 22 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Also Gase on him is hilarious: Sooooo why don’t we ask Leo to do what Donald does?! Seems to be working for him. But it’s obvious that was a “here’s a bs answer for you” from Gase. Ha! I'd suggest that Adam Gase approach Leo and politely tap him on the shoulder and ask him to now start sacking the quarterback. I mean....you don't really know until you ask, right? Maybe they've just been asking him to stand at the Line of Scrimmage on every play and dance with offensive linemen? We don't really know for sure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: Also Gase on him is hilarious: Sooooo why don’t we ask Leo to do what Donald does?! Seems to be working for him. But it’s obvious that was a “here’s a bs answer for you” from Gase. Still don’t understand why coaches seem to support him so much. They "support" to trade him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, 14 in Green said: You really think so Rob? Would that work in a sport like football where there is so much film available on a player like Leo? What other explanation is there? He's been even worse this year than in years past. And I know PFF is not gospel and has their flaws but he's one of the lowest rated DT's in the entire league. Focus in on him a few series next game.....you'll see what I'm talking about. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Not with this team. We have seen it FAR too often where the Fans are a step ahead of the press and two steps ahead of the coaching and front office. Also they can like it or not but a 6th overall pick who is going to want big money doing a job a late round pick or udfa can do is a factor. I do think they are shopping him and Williams is an old vet that is pumping up the tires. That's Fuc... priceless. Posters know what they're watching more than Gregg Williams. Williams also has the benefit of isolating on film a certain player's contribution. That's how teams grade players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Fingers crossed they're talking him up to elevate his trade value???? This 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rolloffjet said: This Yep, he’s a goner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: I think he's been pretty bad this year. Conversely I don't think he was ever as bad as he got labeled prior to this year. There is a difference between being a bad player and not living up to expectations. Leonard Williams is a good player, in my opinion. He just isn't the type of player you want at #6 in the draft. He’s just....very average. He needs to be on a deep dline with a good pass rusher. Otherwise he’s just gonna keep getting stuffed by his double teams. His attitude also sucks but that’s another story. Curious how the other players feel about him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, genot said: That's Fuc... priceless. Posters know what they're watching more than Gregg Williams. Williams also has the benefit of isolating on film a certain player's contribution. That's how teams grade players. Still holding out hope he gets to 10 sacks this year? LOL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, genot said: That's Fuc... priceless. Posters know what they're watching more than Gregg Williams. Williams also has the benefit of isolating on film a certain player's contribution. That's how teams grade players. Tell me what Todd bowles said about Darrelle Revis, Mo Wilkerson and Shel rich. Tell me what the pro evaluator mike mccganan said about all his litany of picks. Williams is pumping up trade value. You will look as tuned in as Jetnut was when he declared that Darron Lee was here for this year and a week later he got dealt for a 6th rounder. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, RobR said: What other explanation is there? He's been even worse this year than in years past. And I know PFF is not gospel and has their flaws but he's one of the lowest rated DT's in the entire league. Focus in on him a few series next game.....you'll see what I'm talking about. Ok, I'll do that. I'm not disagreeing, I can't say I think he's looked good, because how would I make an argument that he has? This whole thing with Gase and GW coming out and supporting him just to build up his trade value just doesn't fly with me though, but what do I know? I know it sounds crazy, but my first reaction to this was, "Oh crap, they want to give him a new contact..." I guess we'll see in a few weeks what this is really all about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: This just shows how very little most fans know about football and individual players, and how actual coaches and GMs evaluate them. It's normal that we as fans have opinions about different teams and players, and it's fun coming to a place like this to talk about them. But at the end of the day, we rarely have a clue what we're talking about. Would you expect them to tank any potential trade value if they agreed with the fans? I don't hear tough love from many coaches these days. Plenty of posters, not me as I don't watch college football, said Hackenburg would suck and what do you know despite being drafted high second round... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, RobR said: Still holding out hope he gets to 10 sacks this year? LOL I think @Losmeister already has that hundy spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said: Fingers crossed they're talking him up to elevate his trade value???? Several contenders need DL help—particularly the Chiefs and Cowboys. The fact that both Greggggg and Gase are offering up similar accolades is proof enough that Leonard is eminently on the block. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Several contenders need DL help—particularly the Chiefs and Cowboys. The fact that both Greggggg and Gase are offering up similar accolades is proof enough that Leonard is eminently on the block. Would be a good week for Leonard to have the game if his life then. Jerry seems like the type to overreact to something like that. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Leo gets blocked a lot. No Way..... 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted October 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: This whole thing with Gase and GW coming out and supporting him just to build up his trade value just doesn't fly with me though, but what do I know? You simply do not pay a guy $14 mil for what Leonard is giving you, and you especially don’t get locked into a multi-year deal for a guy who’s presumably trying his hardest and still hasn’t done sh*t. Let Leonard go be someone’s swing DL for a righteous third and be done with it 7 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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