PFF Grades

[Pac]

4 hours ago, Welp said:

You guys complaining about Adams draft value but just imagine if we drafted Hockenson at #3 like some posters here suggested...

There was actually a thread condemning the drafting of Q after week 1 when Hock had a good game..  Funny all those people piling on haven't said jack sh-t since then.

[Pac]

Meanwhile look at all the IMPACTZ the other guys in the top 10 of the draft have made.  Garrett leading the Browns to win after win, Corey Davis caught a pass last week!  I think John Ross still plays but not sure..

I-M-P-A-C-T POWER!

 

1	1	Cleveland Browns	Myles Garrett †	DE	Texas A&M	SEC
	1	2	Chicago Bears	Mitchell Trubisky †	QB	North Carolina	ACC	from San Francisco [R1 - 1]
	1	3	San Francisco 49ers	Solomon Thomas	DE	Stanford	Pac-12	from Chicago [R1 - 2]
	1	4	Jacksonville Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	SEC
	1	5	Tennessee Titans	Corey Davis	WR	Western Michigan	MAC	from LA Rams [R1 - 3]
	1	6	New York Jets	Jamal Adams †	S	LSU	SEC
	1	7	Los Angeles Chargers	Mike Williams	WR	Clemson	ACC
	1	8	Carolina Panthers	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford	Pac-12
	1	9	Cincinnati Bengals	John Ross	WR	Washington	Pac-12

[dbatesman]

4 minutes ago, Pac said:

Meanwhile look at all the IMPACTZ the other guys in the top 10 of the draft have made.  Garrett leading the Browns to win after win, Corey Davis caught a pass last week!  I think John Ross still plays but not sure..

I-M-P-A-C-T POWER!

 

1	1	Cleveland Browns	Myles Garrett †	DE	Texas A&M	SEC
	1	2	Chicago Bears	Mitchell Trubisky †	QB	North Carolina	ACC	from San Francisco [R1 - 1]
	1	3	San Francisco 49ers	Solomon Thomas	DE	Stanford	Pac-12	from Chicago [R1 - 2]
	1	4	Jacksonville Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	SEC
	1	5	Tennessee Titans	Corey Davis	WR	Western Michigan	MAC	from LA Rams [R1 - 3]
	1	6	New York Jets	Jamal Adams †	S	LSU	SEC
	1	7	Los Angeles Chargers	Mike Williams	WR	Clemson	ACC
	1	8	Carolina Panthers	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford	Pac-12
	1	9	Cincinnati Bengals	John Ross	WR	Washington	Pac-12

Every team on this list other than the Bengals has more wins than the Jets.

[Pac]

Just now, dbatesman said:

Every team on this list other than the Bengals has more wins than the Jets.

Season isn't over...  and none of them are winning the SB. 

I'll give you Garrett..  other than that I'm not seeing who the better choice than Adams is.

and I know I know that Mahomes and Watson are next but I'm focusing on top 10.  No one had Watson or Mahomes in the top 10.

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, Pac said:

Season isn't over...  and none of them are winning the SB. 

I'll give you Garrett..  other than that I'm not seeing who the better choice than Adams is.

and I know I know that Mahomes and Watson are next but I'm focusing on top 10.  No one had Watson or Mahomes in the top 10.

name me one player who went 7th, 8th, or 9th in the 2017 draft whose better than Jamal Adams. QED bitch

[Pac]

2 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

name me one player who went 7th, 8th, or 9th in the 2017 draft whose better than Jamal Adams. QED bitch

?  I said top 10...  ok easier question..  Can you come up with 5 better picks than Jamall Pro in the entire 1st round?

Garrett, Lattimore, Mahomes, Watson...  and??

 

1	1	Cleveland Browns	Myles Garrett †	DE	Texas A&M	SEC
	1	2	Chicago Bears	Mitchell Trubisky †	QB	North Carolina	ACC	from San Francisco [R1 - 1]
	1	3	San Francisco 49ers	Solomon Thomas	DE	Stanford	Pac-12	from Chicago [R1 - 2]
	1	4	Jacksonville Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	SEC
	1	5	Tennessee Titans	Corey Davis	WR	Western Michigan	MAC	from LA Rams [R1 - 3]
	1	6	New York Jets	Jamal Adams †	S	LSU	SEC
	1	7	Los Angeles Chargers	Mike Williams	WR	Clemson	ACC
	1	8	Carolina Panthers	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford	Pac-12
	1	9	Cincinnati Bengals	John Ross	WR	Washington	Pac-12
	1	10	Kansas City Chiefs	Patrick Mahomes †	QB	Texas Tech	Big 12	from Buffalo [R1 - 4]
	1	11	New Orleans Saints	Marshon Lattimore †	CB	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	12	Houston Texans	Deshaun Watson †	QB	Clemson	ACC	from Philadelphia via Cleveland [R1 - 5]
	1	13	Arizona Cardinals	Haason Reddick	LB	Temple	The American
	1	14	Philadelphia Eagles	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	SEC	from Minnesota [R1 - 6]
	1	15	Indianapolis Colts	Malik Hooker	S	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	16	Baltimore Ravens	Marlon Humphrey	CB	Alabama	SEC
	1	17	Washington Redskins	Jonathan Allen	DE	Alabama	SEC
	1	18	Tennessee Titans	Adoree' Jackson	CB	USC	Pac-12
	1	19	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	O. J. Howard	TE	Alabama	SEC
	1	20	Denver Broncos	Garett Bolles	OT	Utah	Pac-12
	1	21	Detroit Lions	Jarrad Davis	LB	Florida	SEC
	1	22	Miami Dolphins	Charles Harris	DE	Missouri	SEC
	1	23	New York Giants	Evan Engram	TE	Ole Miss	SEC
	1	24	Oakland Raiders	Gareon Conley	CB	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	25	Cleveland Browns	Jabrill Peppers	S	Michigan	Big Ten	from Houston [R1 - 7]
	1	26	Atlanta Falcons	Takkarist McKinley	DE	UCLA	Pac-12	from Seattle [R1 - 8]
	1	27	Buffalo Bills	Tre'Davious White	CB	LSU	SEC	from Kansas City [R1 - 9]
	1	28	Dallas Cowboys	Taco Charlton	DE	Michigan	Big Ten
	1	29	Cleveland Browns	David Njoku	TE	Miami (FL)	ACC	from Green Bay [R1 - 10]
	1	30	Pittsburgh Steelers	T. J. Watt †	LB	Wisconsin	Big Ten
	1	31	San Francisco 49ers	Reuben Foster	LB	Alabama	SEC	from Atlanta via Seattle [R1 - 11]
	1	32	New Orleans Saints	Ryan Ramczyk

[jetsons]

6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

 

What other criteria is considered?... His Coverage grade is 90.4 & his Tackling grade is 90.4 yet his Overall grade is 88.4???

[dbatesman]

45 minutes ago, Pac said:

?  I said top 10...  ok easier question..  Can you come up with 5 better picks than Jamall Pro in the entire 1st round?

Garrett, Lattimore, Mahomes, Watson...  and??

 

1	1	Cleveland Browns	Myles Garrett †	DE	Texas A&M	SEC
	1	2	Chicago Bears	Mitchell Trubisky †	QB	North Carolina	ACC	from San Francisco [R1 - 1]
	1	3	San Francisco 49ers	Solomon Thomas	DE	Stanford	Pac-12	from Chicago [R1 - 2]
	1	4	Jacksonville Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	SEC
	1	5	Tennessee Titans	Corey Davis	WR	Western Michigan	MAC	from LA Rams [R1 - 3]
	1	6	New York Jets	Jamal Adams †	S	LSU	SEC
	1	7	Los Angeles Chargers	Mike Williams	WR	Clemson	ACC
	1	8	Carolina Panthers	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford	Pac-12
	1	9	Cincinnati Bengals	John Ross	WR	Washington	Pac-12
	1	10	Kansas City Chiefs	Patrick Mahomes †	QB	Texas Tech	Big 12	from Buffalo [R1 - 4]
	1	11	New Orleans Saints	Marshon Lattimore †	CB	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	12	Houston Texans	Deshaun Watson †	QB	Clemson	ACC	from Philadelphia via Cleveland [R1 - 5]
	1	13	Arizona Cardinals	Haason Reddick	LB	Temple	The American
	1	14	Philadelphia Eagles	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	SEC	from Minnesota [R1 - 6]
	1	15	Indianapolis Colts	Malik Hooker	S	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	16	Baltimore Ravens	Marlon Humphrey	CB	Alabama	SEC
	1	17	Washington Redskins	Jonathan Allen	DE	Alabama	SEC
	1	18	Tennessee Titans	Adoree' Jackson	CB	USC	Pac-12
	1	19	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	O. J. Howard	TE	Alabama	SEC
	1	20	Denver Broncos	Garett Bolles	OT	Utah	Pac-12
	1	21	Detroit Lions	Jarrad Davis	LB	Florida	SEC
	1	22	Miami Dolphins	Charles Harris	DE	Missouri	SEC
	1	23	New York Giants	Evan Engram	TE	Ole Miss	SEC
	1	24	Oakland Raiders	Gareon Conley	CB	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	25	Cleveland Browns	Jabrill Peppers	S	Michigan	Big Ten	from Houston [R1 - 7]
	1	26	Atlanta Falcons	Takkarist McKinley	DE	UCLA	Pac-12	from Seattle [R1 - 8]
	1	27	Buffalo Bills	Tre'Davious White	CB	LSU	SEC	from Kansas City [R1 - 9]
	1	28	Dallas Cowboys	Taco Charlton	DE	Michigan	Big Ten
	1	29	Cleveland Browns	David Njoku	TE	Miami (FL)	ACC	from Green Bay [R1 - 10]
	1	30	Pittsburgh Steelers	T. J. Watt †	LB	Wisconsin	Big Ten
	1	31	San Francisco 49ers	Reuben Foster	LB	Alabama	SEC	from Atlanta via Seattle [R1 - 11]
	1	32	New Orleans Saints	Ryan Ramczyk

Watt. Can’t wait to see where those goalposts go next!

[T0mShane]

19 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Watt. Can’t wait to see where those goalposts go next!

Ramczyk and TreDavious White, too

[Barry McCockinner]

29 minutes ago, jetsons said:

What other criteria is considered?... His Coverage grade is 90.4 & his Tackling grade is 90.4 yet his Overall grade is 88.4???

He was 8th in dance moves.

[CTM]

28 minutes ago, jetsons said:

What other criteria is considered?... His Coverage grade is 90.4 & his Tackling grade is 90.4 yet his Overall grade is 88.4???

He rates a 2.7 in the humility category, dragging his entire average down 

[Hael]

If there was a redraft, Adams probably goes 7.  McCaffrey is probably the second best rb in football behind Barkley.  Debatable between Watt and Adams.   I’d go Adams.

Overall I like the Adams selection.  Keep in mind we had been badly busting our first round picks for the better part of a decade and had almost no talent and youth, so we desperately needed a win.  Mac picked as close to a sure thing as possible, and I’m fine with that.  Just like I’m fine with Leonard Williams and QW.  When you suck at player evals as bad as Mac was, take the money that’s handed to you.

yea of course you take the best player in football in a redraft, but Mahomes had a ton of problems on his tape and was no sure thing.  His accuracy was very problematic in college.

[FireTheJohnsons]

34 minutes ago, jetsons said:

What other criteria is considered?... His Coverage grade is 90.4 & his Tackling grade is 90.4 yet his Overall grade is 88.4???

His draft slot is a minus 2

[Grandy]

1 hour ago, Pac said:

?  I said top 10...  ok easier question..  Can you come up with 5 better picks than Jamall Pro in the entire 1st round?

Garrett, Lattimore, Mahomes, Watson...  and??

 

1	1	Cleveland Browns	Myles Garrett †	DE	Texas A&M	SEC
	1	2	Chicago Bears	Mitchell Trubisky †	QB	North Carolina	ACC	from San Francisco [R1 - 1]
	1	3	San Francisco 49ers	Solomon Thomas	DE	Stanford	Pac-12	from Chicago [R1 - 2]
	1	4	Jacksonville Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	SEC
	1	5	Tennessee Titans	Corey Davis	WR	Western Michigan	MAC	from LA Rams [R1 - 3]
	1	6	New York Jets	Jamal Adams †	S	LSU	SEC
	1	7	Los Angeles Chargers	Mike Williams	WR	Clemson	ACC
	1	8	Carolina Panthers	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford	Pac-12
	1	9	Cincinnati Bengals	John Ross	WR	Washington	Pac-12
	1	10	Kansas City Chiefs	Patrick Mahomes †	QB	Texas Tech	Big 12	from Buffalo [R1 - 4]
	1	11	New Orleans Saints	Marshon Lattimore †	CB	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	12	Houston Texans	Deshaun Watson †	QB	Clemson	ACC	from Philadelphia via Cleveland [R1 - 5]
	1	13	Arizona Cardinals	Haason Reddick	LB	Temple	The American
	1	14	Philadelphia Eagles	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee	SEC	from Minnesota [R1 - 6]
	1	15	Indianapolis Colts	Malik Hooker	S	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	16	Baltimore Ravens	Marlon Humphrey	CB	Alabama	SEC
	1	17	Washington Redskins	Jonathan Allen	DE	Alabama	SEC
	1	18	Tennessee Titans	Adoree' Jackson	CB	USC	Pac-12
	1	19	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	O. J. Howard	TE	Alabama	SEC
	1	20	Denver Broncos	Garett Bolles	OT	Utah	Pac-12
	1	21	Detroit Lions	Jarrad Davis	LB	Florida	SEC
	1	22	Miami Dolphins	Charles Harris	DE	Missouri	SEC
	1	23	New York Giants	Evan Engram	TE	Ole Miss	SEC
	1	24	Oakland Raiders	Gareon Conley	CB	Ohio State	Big Ten
	1	25	Cleveland Browns	Jabrill Peppers	S	Michigan	Big Ten	from Houston [R1 - 7]
	1	26	Atlanta Falcons	Takkarist McKinley	DE	UCLA	Pac-12	from Seattle [R1 - 8]
	1	27	Buffalo Bills	Tre'Davious White	CB	LSU	SEC	from Kansas City [R1 - 9]
	1	28	Dallas Cowboys	Taco Charlton	DE	Michigan	Big Ten
	1	29	Cleveland Browns	David Njoku	TE	Miami (FL)	ACC	from Green Bay [R1 - 10]
	1	30	Pittsburgh Steelers	T. J. Watt †	LB	Wisconsin	Big Ten
	1	31	San Francisco 49ers	Reuben Foster	LB	Alabama	SEC	from Atlanta via Seattle [R1 - 11]
	1	32	New Orleans Saints	Ryan Ramczyk

Lattimore has actually been receding since amazing his first year. As of right now, he'd have the 3rd highest CB grade on our 1-4 team.  

[dbatesman]

35 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ramczyk and TreDavious White, too

He only asked for one, and it seemed kind of cruel to rub it in.

[slimjasi]

Are we ever going to stop talking about Maccagnan?

[Obrien2Toon]

2 hours ago, Pac said:

Season isn't over...  and none of them are winning the SB. 

I'll give you Garrett..  other than that I'm not seeing who the better choice than Adams is.

and I know I know that Mahomes and Watson are next but I'm focusing on top 10.  No one had Watson or Mahomes in the top 10.

Mccaffrey?

[Pac]

5 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Mccaffrey?

I thought about it but this is his first breakout year and the shelf life for pro bowl level play from RB's is about half the time it will be for Jamal.  If we didn't have Bell it might be a harder choice.

[Doggin94it]

7 hours ago, slats said:

A good player can also be a bad draft pick. Jamal Adams is a very good player, he was also a bad draft pick. 

This is how the NFL values safeties: 

Franchise Tags

QB: $24.865 million
RB: $11.214 million
WR: $16.787 million
TE: $10.387 million
OL: $14.067 million
DE: $17.128 million
DT: $15.209 million
LB: $15.443 million
CB: $16.022 million
S: $11.15 million
K/P: $4.971 million

Lowest value on defense by far, lower than any other positions except TE and K/P. That's not a position you take with the 6th overall pick. As good as Adams is, his selection is part of why Maccagnan's now unemployed. When the time comes, are you going to be looking for the Jets to pay Adams $12M/year+? Some will. He'll also be subject to a lot of the same conversations we're having about Leo Williams right now. 

This board's view of adams is a master class in the sunk cost fallacy. 

He was a bad pick the day he was drafted, despite being a great player, because of the position he plays. He'd have to be a Reed or Polamalu - a consistent game changer at S - to justify that slot. Just being one of the best safeties in the league (which he is) doesn't do it, given replacement value. 

He's also a terrific player, and unless one of you has developed a time machine that can be used to go back and undo the pick, I'm not sure what possible relevance his draft slot can have now. It doesn't impact his play, it doesn't impact his usage, and it doesn't even let you complain about the GM or suggest firing him, because the guy who drafted him is no longer here. I get the habit is hard to break, but why the hell are you people still talking about this?

[Lupz27]

8 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

I remember when Revis didn't make an "impact" in games because QBs avoided him. Adams is a great player. He is a leader and help the team win games. 

There are a ton of mistakes Macc made (draft picks/FA signings), Adams isn't one of them. 

So your saying you wouldn’t trade Jamal Adams str8 up for either Watson, or Mahomes?

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

So your saying you wouldn’t trade Jamal Adams str8 up for either Watson, or Mahomes?

Of course but that doesn't make the Adams pick a bad one. 

Just like  it would be dumb to call the John Abraham selection in 2000 (and the other 198 players taken before Brady) a bad pick simply because they all passed on the greatest QB of all time. 

The reality is that every team in the NFL could have traded up to 5-6-7 in the 2017 draft and taken Mahomes or Watson. Most regret not doing so given what these guys turned into. Meanwhile, for all we know Darnold will turn out to be better so I've gotten over it. You should to.

[Sonny Werblin]

9 hours ago, slats said:

A good player can also be a bad draft pick. Jamal Adams is a very good player, he was also a bad draft pick. 

This is how the NFL values safeties: 

Franchise Tags

QB: $24.865 million
RB: $11.214 million
WR: $16.787 million
TE: $10.387 million
OL: $14.067 million
DE: $17.128 million
DT: $15.209 million
LB: $15.443 million
CB: $16.022 million
S: $11.15 million
K/P: $4.971 million

Lowest value on defense by far, lower than any other positions except TE and K/P. That's not a position you take with the 6th overall pick. As good as Adams is, his selection is part of why Maccagnan's now unemployed. When the time comes, are you going to be looking for the Jets to pay Adams $12M/year+? Some will. He'll also be subject to a lot of the same conversations we're having about Leo Williams right now. 

That makes sense. Just like TEs like Gronk and Kelce have no value either.

[GreenFish]

As the crowd looks on, Jamal Adams pauses in the middle of his Hall of Fame induction speech. A Jets fan seizes the moment "Jamal you weren't worth the 6th overall pick". Half the Jets fan watching at home start to applaud while the other half mumble just let it go. 

No doubt in mind we will be arguing about this 50 years from now. 

[Lupz27]

39 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Just like  it would be dumb to call the John Abraham selection in 2000 (and the other 198 players taken before Brady) a bad pick simply because they all passed on the greatest QB of all time. 

Stop not the same not even close.

[T0mShane]

Does anyone have the PFF grades for Poole, Roberts, and Maye from the Cowboys game?

[long suffering jets fan]

10 hours ago, slats said:

A good player can also be a bad draft pick. Jamal Adams is a very good player, he was also a bad draft pick. 

This is how the NFL values safeties: 

Franchise Tags

QB: $24.865 million
RB: $11.214 million
WR: $16.787 million
TE: $10.387 million
OL: $14.067 million
DE: $17.128 million
DT: $15.209 million
LB: $15.443 million
CB: $16.022 million
S: $11.15 million
K/P: $4.971 million

Lowest value on defense by far, lower than any other positions except TE and K/P. That's not a position you take with the 6th overall pick. As good as Adams is, his selection is part of why Maccagnan's now unemployed. When the time comes, are you going to be looking for the Jets to pay Adams $12M/year+? Some will. He'll also be subject to a lot of the same conversations we're having about Leo Williams right now. 

Good! It won't be too expensive to resign him

Good post though.

[Jumbo2927]

2 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

This board's view of adams is a master class in the sunk cost fallacy. 

He was a bad pick the day he was drafted, despite being a great player, because of the position he plays. He'd have to be a Reed or Polamalu - a consistent game changer at S - to justify that slot. Just being one of the best safeties in the league (which he is) doesn't do it, given replacement value. 

He's also a terrific player, and unless one of you has developed a time machine that can be used to go back and undo the pick, I'm not sure what possible relevance his draft slot can have now. It doesn't impact his play, it doesn't impact his usage, and it doesn't even let you complain about the GM or suggest firing him, because the guy who drafted him is no longer here. I get the habit is hard to break, but why the hell are you people still talking about this?

Jamal Adams is probably the best safety in the league right now. 

 

Redo the draft hes probably the 6th best player (Jets could have done far worse)

 

1. Mahomes

2. Watson

3. McCaffrey

4. Lattimore 

5. TJ Watt

6. Jamal

 

 

 

[ryu79]

If they were to redraft today he probably goes fourth or fifth. He was a fine pick where we took him and I'm happy to have the best safety in the league on the team. 

[Beerfish]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Ramczyk and TreDavious White, too

Buffalo traded down and got their #1 CB.  The jets stood pat and took a safety.....then taking a safety again in the 2nd round is the most mind blowingly stupid thing of all time.

Dalvin Cook, juju smith schuster, Kamarra, cooper kupp, all there and we take a 2nd safety.

[Thai Jet]

12 hours ago, CTM said:

Which players are ahead of him and what was their draft slot?

I don't think him being the 4th best safety is anything to crow about, is it? It's year 3 and he's one of highest drafted safeties of all time  @1.6

Sounds like you've been hangin with Shame too much. Just gotta rain on the parade don't you ?

[14 in Green]

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

I've been calling Jamal a good Linebacker for a while now.  Glad to see someone finally embracing this.  

The problem isn't someone calling Adams a good player.  The problem is people suggesting he'll be worthy of an extension paying him top Safety money, which at the moment exceeds $14M a year. 

Additionally, I find a problem with people fighting hard against the idea of trading such a player to improve the team in areas of need.  If he's as good as you guys like to say he is, then surely someone out there will give us a 1st & 4th for him?

The only reasons you trade a player like Adams for a 1st and a 4th are

1. He's gone AB crazy or Ramsey unhappy, or

2. You're admitting you don't have a franchise QB and it's time to tear the team apart and go into "tank mode". If that's how a GM feels, he's going to trade anyone who has value, not just Adams, ala Miami. 

If you're not going to go full tank mode, you keep your Pro Bowl players, pay them and build around them. The trade you're proposing is the equivalent of breaking up Aces to pull a straight. If you pull it off, you increase your odds of winning, but it's not a smart play. It's dumb.

We're not talking about a Leo Williams here, we're talking about a young player who is producing at a high level. If you believe in Darnold, you keep young guys like Adams, Maye, QW, Robbie, etc and build your core around them.The way to win is through the draft, but you don't do it by trading good young players you drafted, you do it by drafting more of them.

If you want to add more picks you can trade older or mediocre players or you can do it move around during the draft. Ask GW or Gase if they want to trade Adams. They'll laugh at the idea and the "positional value" reasoning behind it.

[SAR I]

Jamal analytics is just another way for SOJF Victims to masturbate.  

SAR I

[RutgersJetFan]

14 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

 

WE’RE NUMBER FOUR! WE’RE NUMBER FOUR!!!!

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

14 hours ago, jgb said:

This one cuts both ways—Jamal isn’t a franchise QB and two were drafted after him and we desperately needed one buuuuut... Macc was never drafting Mahomes or Watson. In round one he takes guys who “fall,” he would never reach in the first. He played the draft not to lose.

Scared money never makes money.  

At least due to his “playing not to lose”, to protect his job and incompetence the Jets were able to luck into someone who might be the Top Rated QB in the NFL in the future.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

8 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Are we ever going to stop talking about Maccagnan?

No.