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Jamal Adams Draft Position

Do You Give A Flying F What Position Adams Was Drafted?  

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  1. 1. Do You Give A Flying F What Position Adams Was Drafted?

    • Yes - It is important to remind everyone every time Adams is mentioned.
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    • No - What's done is done and I like it when the Jets have good players.
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i dont know who said it on jetnation but I read someone else's comment and it basically was like Sam darnold just changed he whole damn team. 1 player. That is why you take QB in the 1st round and not a safety. 

How the hell do you argue that? Adams is great, i like him on the team but he sure as hell didn't win us any games. we miss on 1st rounders sure, but we need to be taking 1st rounders that either are QB - hit the qb or protect the qb. I m also ok whit RB - look as barkley. Anyway for what its it worth. I am completely changed on this position. I was all about Take Adams cause he was the best, but ultimately that is losing proposition. How our front office didn't know this is ridiculous. 

SO yeah adams glad you are here but lets now play. It was horrible pick. See 2019 NY Jets season games 2 - 4

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4 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Yeah as long as it works after the fact, right?

Macc takes a big swing with Hack, was hoping he would find what he had as the top recruit out of HS and Asmara a freshman at PSU.

Didnt work out in any way shape and form but we're  still killing him years later.  

Jump ahead and we're complaining he didn't take an even bigger risky swing with the 6th spot in the draft to take a QB that most had as a day two pick.  With a team that's had to get a return at 6.  

After seeing Mahomes has become thats all changed but it is funny these swings are acceptable when we know the outcome.  And when our asses aren't on the line.

Doesnt change the fact that we got a really good player and the complaints about Jamal are really pretty dumb

what? how is it dumb. Adams cant win games by himself, cant lift the whole team. QB can. Citing hack? seriously? it was a second rounder right? but really he was really supposed to be a UDFA...anyway idk about your argument here. You can tell me Adams was a good pick when we just saw Darnold change the whole damn team. 

That is my criteria QB or someone how hits or protects them in the 1st round. Maybe a RB. That is it. Hell a WR ok Ill take that too. If we have all the other ones filled in..and even then I rather have depth..

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23 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

No QB has ever won a game by themselves. They need the center to snap them the ball, the o-line to block, the WR to get open & catch the ball, the defense to stop the other team from scoring, the special teams to kick points, punt, cover kicks, etc.

The idea that a QB wins a game by himself is just plain stupid.

did you see the cowboy game? Cause I did and it seems pretty obvious that Darnold is the one that lifted the team to the win. You are pretending to be stupid with the whole some one has to hike the ball catch the ball etc. 

You either can't comprehend or choose not to. Its not complicated. Adams is great player but not worth the 1st rounder. Those should be for players like sam or players that hit and protect players like sam.

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1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Revis was the most important player on defense for a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 seasons.  

Adams is 10-27 since he arrived and the defense has been below average in that span.  

You, sir, are taking crazy pills.  I'm the one using facts.  

Revis cant win games like a Qb or protect Qbs or sack qbs. All the lights out perfect game play and completely shut down games he had with Revis island didnt get us to SB and honestly cant. Nope not good 1st round draft pick. Same as other comments  - its not complicated but the cowboys game shows you that there are two different ways to draft. the way we have done it for the most part and then the correct way. The correct way is QB, OL, or Sack specialist....

Revis was not good 1st round pick. he is like adams but better and he still is not good for us because we want to get guys that win us the games.

 

How the hell can anyone disagree with this?

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6 hours ago, prime21 said:

Jamal Adams can not win us a SB but he is a major piece of the puzzle we are trying to complete.  The Jets have major holes to fill and we should be happy that the safety positions are not one of them, assuming Maye stays healthy.

woudlnt you rather have someone that actually can win the game for us? OL Sack artist? just cause he is good safety doesnt mean he is good draft pick for us. He was not.

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37 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

I slightly disagree with what you're saying here.  CB1 is a premium position.  

How I would rank the most important positions:

1.  QB

2.  LT

3.  EDGE (and/or pass-rushing DT)

4a/b/c/d.  Rest of OL (basically a tie among all 4 other spots)

5.  CB1

6.  WR1

7.  WR2

I think history and having probably the best CB to play on our team proves it but to answer

1 QB - wins games despite everything else

2 Edge - can win games by not letting that QB win it

3 LT - keeps Qb up and stops 2 from stopping 1 - doesnt have to be best in league to do his job and help you win.

4 ABCD the rest of the line

5 WR1 - see Cooper in Dallas - but worthless if qb cant ge thinm the ball

6 CB1 - hey there is Revis man it was good to have him on the team - he stops WR1 or his side wahtever

7 WR 2

 

I think RB should be there right after 4 before 5 but anywhere after 4 you could convince me with compelling argument. But look at Bell right now, with out those line men he hasnt been able to really show off yet. But darnold is back so I think he has chance to shine. But it be alot easier if we were spending those draft picks on 1 - 4.

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The offense played much better with Darnold at QB. He didn't win the game himself - no one ever does in football. This is just a simple fact that some cannot seem to comprehend for whatever reason. It's unfortunate how often it needs to be pointed out.

IDGAF what draft pick Jamal was taken with. It's done and over with. Sunk cost. The GM who took him is gone and unemployed. We're left with a great player and I like it when the Jets have great players. No where did I ever argue that we should be taking safeties with high first round picks.

Why are you so traumatized by it?

Your not pointing anything out your being a troll. We don't win that game without Darnold. Hell we likely don't win any games this season without him.

YOU CANT comprehend being wrong. you have not argument just some juvenile er it takes a team to win, and there are other players on the field. Ridiculous.

Yeah i understand you don't care what draft pick he was taken at because you don't understand the value of positions in football. The extreme is well lets take a surefire kicker in the 1st round. He is great. I'm glad he is a jet! THAT IS DUMB. So Adams is a great player, I don't care what draft pick i used to get him. That is DUMB. You should care because you are a fan of the team and hopefully like us to win a damn SB. .

I don't think I'm traumatized by it at all. Maybe you agree with me and I missed it. The point of this thread is what Adams a good pick where we took him, the answer is "No". If you agree great, if not then you are wrong.

 

 

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1 hour ago, genot said:

BURN....

 

Look I know but its not smart. If we didnt take him another team did. My point is we shoudl let other teams have him and get guys like may in the second...well thats not true as described elsewhere I just think we need to draft high quality guy in that play higher level importance postitions...

 

But your point is well taken, I just think we should draft smarter and focus on guys that win games for us not just make us look good. Bake the pizza with 1st rounder and get the toppings like adams with the later round picks. You  can win more games with later picked safeties than later picked OL,, QBs and edge guys

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1 hour ago, jetgreen13 said:

what does what i figure have to do with what douglas ends up doing with adams?? 

do you know what douglas' beliefs on how much value the SS position has??

perhaps douglas could see that money to re sign "the best S in football" better spent on the OL??

Im betting that Douglas realizes because he has seen what it takes to win in this league that you spend high draft capital on guys that can win games not one the best safety or CB every year

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1 hour ago, genot said:

you posts actually show that you in fact sir do not have any clue. You are arguing that taking Adams was a good 1st round pick. Every game he has plays shows you that he is not. And just because people see that his talent would make him picked in the 1st round you link to, doesnt change the fact that picked those positions in the first round is dumb. You should spend first round picks on high quality important positions...like we did with darnold.

You dont want to hear this but picking a guy like Sanchez in first is much better than picking Adams. Because the effect that position has on the team. No one really knows who is going to hit. Draft is literally a lottery, most time you miss and that is ok. But if you settle for non impact players in the first round, then you get what you ask for non impact players that might not hit and even if they do, what is it good for? Adams can be replaced by a guy off the street, sure not as good, but over all not too much worse.

Am i just crazy? Does this not make sense? It seems so obvious. QB more important that Safety or alot of other positions. Spend first on QB, T, etc.. 

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