Jamal Adams Draft Position

[Pac]

Has there ever been a more grotesque coalition of misanthropes than TCM, JetFat80, Domshame, Dbuttman, WhackyCarl, EwwwY etc? 

The fact that pack of mongrels has been successful in recruiting anyone is a testament to the gullibility of todays youth.

Thankfully the thorough pounding they're getting in the poll will take some of the hair off their puny, pathetic, sizzle chests.

[jetgreen13]

5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

It can't be that easy since only here is he a box safety.  

Just as only here is S a non premium position that shouldn't be paid the league minimum. 

Sorry, don't agree. 

you're right I misspoke.. they almost all believed darnold should have gone one..

i was speaking about the mayfield bandwagon that got crowded quick enough to make darnold an afterthought in comparison durning last season.. 

[Jet Nut]

51 minutes ago, jetgreen13 said:

you're right I misspoke.. they almost all believed darnold should have gone one..

i was speaking about the mayfield bandwagon that got crowded quick enough to make darnold an afterthought in comparison durning last season.. 

Adams has nothing to do with Baker. 

[jetgreen13]

7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Adams has nothing to do with Baker. 

& douglas didn't draft adams..

lets see if he pays the guy..

 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

Relevant - Jamal Adams is a quality player and is on the Jets

Irrelevant - His draft position. Who drafted him. Who wasn't drafted instead.

[Jet Nut]

2 hours ago, jetgreen13 said:

& douglas didn't draft adams..

lets see if he pays the guy..

 

So you figure that because Douglas didn’t draft him he doesn’t know that he’s the best S in the league?  A pro bowl player?

Guessing he’s not signing Darnold using your logic?  QWilliams?

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

3 hours ago, Pac said:

Has there ever been a more grotesque coalition of misanthropes than TCM, JetFat80, Domshame, Dbuttman, WhackyCarl, EwwwY etc?

He's got a point here.

[Jet Nut]

11 hours ago, Pac said:

Thankfully the thorough pounding they're getting in the poll will take some of the hair off their puny, pathetic, sizzle chests.

Polls mean nothing

Media accolades mean nothing

Ex players talking Adams up means nothing

Ex coaches accolades mean nothing

The handful of posters here who cant appreciate what they should see on the field know better.  And will tell you just that.

[Barry McCockinner]

12 hours ago, genot said:

Get a clue dude. This mind you, is without a good pass rush.

 

That's from last year. He's #1 so far this year.

[#27TheDominator]

I can certainly see paying Adams.  The interesting thing to me is that I generally feel that inside LBs are also a non-premium position, but they are paying Mosley all that cash and it seems that it may not have been a bad decision.  A box safety is usually actually playing ILB (Mark Barron), so maybe those in favor of Mosley should not be so hard on Adams.  I'm not sure if they can/should pay both of them, but it will be interesting.

[genot]

52 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

That's from last year. He's #1 so far this year.

Don't think it matters to his detractors. What pisses me off is the box safety nonsense. He's not just a box safety. stat after stat, proves that. So when people keep saying that to justify he's not worthy of a top ten pick, I go off. Lol.

[bealeb319]

Don't think it matters to his detractors. What pisses me off is the box safety nonsense. He's not just a box safety. stat after stat, proves that. So when people keep saying that to justify he's not worthy of a top ten pick, I go off. Lol.

People will find reasons to complain about anything. Adams is one of the best players on our team I don't think anyone has a valid argument against that. People whine that we didn't take mahomes or Watson with the pick and sure in hindsight they look great but what about all the other guys taken in the top 15 that we didn't take who don't? Adams was a good pick and I am sorry he isn't the position some wanted but that doesn't mean he wasn't worthy of the pick. If he can continue the level of play he has provided us for most of his career he can end up being a hall of famer and there will still be jets fans that complain about what could have been.

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[prime21]

Jamal Adams can not win us a SB but he is a major piece of the puzzle we are trying to complete.  The Jets have major holes to fill and we should be happy that the safety positions are not one of them, assuming Maye stays healthy.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, genot said:

Don't think it matters to his detractors. What pisses me off is the box safety nonsense. He's not just a box safety. stat after stat, proves that. So when people keep saying that to justify he's not worthy of a top ten pick, I go off. Lol.

Which ones?

When you spend roughly 30 % of your snaps around the LOS and are constantly a step slow in coverage, you're a Box Safety.  Deal with it.  

[genot]

52 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Which ones?

When you spend roughly 30 % of your snaps around the LOS and are constantly a step slow in coverage, you're a Box Safety.  Deal with it.  

Wake up. Just because he's asked to play more snaps in the box, doesn't mean he can't play in coverage. Which he does, and does very well. And he's better this year.https://www.pff.com/news/pro-jamal-adams-is-playing-at-an-elite-level-after-a-substantial-second-year-leap

[#27TheDominator]

3 hours ago, prime21 said:

Jamal Adams can not win us a SB but he is a major piece of the puzzle we are trying to complete.  The Jets have major holes to fill and we should be happy that the safety positions are not one of them, assuming Maye stays healthy.

I am happy that we don't have to "fill holes" at safety, but it's not like we can ignore the position.  Maye has missed a decent number of games and you probably want a rotational guy anyway.  More importantly, Maye is an UFA in 2021 and Adams will be on the 5th year option which will be over $10M.  We are going to have some questions there sooner rather than later. 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

5 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I am happy that we don't have to "fill holes"

Because that's how you get mono.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, genot said:

Wake up. Just because he's asked to play more snaps in the box, doesn't mean he can't play in coverage. Which he does, and does very well. And he's better this year.https://www.pff.com/news/pro-jamal-adams-is-playing-at-an-elite-level-after-a-substantial-second-year-leap

Oh wow so he covers people sometimes cool.

Know who also covers people sometimes?  Everyone but D-Linemen.  

[genot]

12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Oh wow so he covers people sometimes cool.

Know who also covers people sometimes?  Everyone but D-Linemen.  

Don't talk to me anymore. you choose to ignore the obvious. There isn't anything that Adams can't do well as a safety. There are others who might be slightly better in coverage. There isn't any safety that does as much as Adams is asked to do better. Period. I'm not going to waste my time, posting article after article, quote, after quote, about what kind of a player Adams is. It's a colossal waste of time.

[prime21]

15 minutes ago, genot said:

Don't talk to me anymore. you choose to ignore the obvious. There isn't anything that Adams can't do well as a safety. There are others who might be slightly better in coverage. There isn't any safety that does as much as Adams is asked to do better. Period. I'm not going to waste my time, posting article after article, quote, after quote, about what kind of a player Adams is. It's a colossal waste of time.

Correct, don't waste your time because they can't post an article that says otherwise.  

[genot]

Just now, prime21 said:

Correct, don't waste your time because they can't post an article that says otherwise.  

Yea. I'm sick of it. Really. When the earth was proved to be round and not flat, there we're still wackos who we're convinced it was flat. Some still do. It's scary

[Jetsfan80]

15 minutes ago, genot said:

Yea. I'm sick of it. Really. When the earth was proved to be round and not flat, there we're still wackos who we're convinced it was flat. Some still do. It's scary

10-27 and a below average defense since Jamal arrived and we're the wackos for not worshiping the ground he walks on.  Sure.

Being a Jamal fanboy is like being a hype man for the world's best VCR repairman.  

[genot]

13 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

10-27 and a below average defense since Jamal arrived and we're the wackos for not worshiping the ground he walks on.  Sure.

Being a Jamal fanboy is like being a hype man for the world's best VCR repairman.  

Guess that means Revis wasn't all that much .Or dozens of other great players who played on bad teams. You make a fool at of yourself because you ignore facts. The Texans are ranked right with us on defense. Is J. J Watt responsible for that. Falcons rank below us in team defense. Is Grady Jarrett responsible for that. It's a team game. One player, other than perhaps a great QB, can turn a unit around. I can go on and on, but won't.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, genot said:

Guess that means Revis wasn't all that much .Or dozens of other great players who played on bad teams. You make a fool at of yourself because you ignore facts. 

Revis was the most important player on defense for a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 seasons.  

Adams is 10-27 since he arrived and the defense has been below average in that span.  

You, sir, are taking crazy pills.  I'm the one using facts.  

[Beerfish]

16 hours ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Relevant - Jamal Adams is a quality player and is on the Jets

Irrelevant - His draft position. Who drafted him. Who wasn't drafted instead.

Totally incorrect.

The object of the game is to make the playoffs and win a super bowl.

If you are using very high draft resources on guys who do not have a huge impact on winning you are failing and worse yet the other teams you are competing against select those players.

Your stance makes a guy like mccagnan last 5 years or more.

[BornJetsFan1983]

23 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

No QB has ever won a game by themselves. They need the center to snap them the ball, the o-line to block, the WR to get open & catch the ball, the defense to stop the other team from scoring, the special teams to kick points, punt, cover kicks, etc.

The idea that a QB wins a game by himself is just plain stupid.

did you see the cowboy game? Cause I did and it seems pretty obvious that Darnold is the one that lifted the team to the win. You are pretending to be stupid with the whole some one has to hike the ball catch the ball etc. 

You either can't comprehend or choose not to. Its not complicated. Adams is great player but not worth the 1st rounder. Those should be for players like sam or players that hit and protect players like sam.

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Revis was the most important player on defense for a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 seasons.  

Adams is 10-27 since he arrived and the defense has been below average in that span.  

You, sir, are taking crazy pills.  I'm the one using facts.  

Revis cant win games like a Qb or protect Qbs or sack qbs. All the lights out perfect game play and completely shut down games he had with Revis island didnt get us to SB and honestly cant. Nope not good 1st round draft pick. Same as other comments  - its not complicated but the cowboys game shows you that there are two different ways to draft. the way we have done it for the most part and then the correct way. The correct way is QB, OL, or Sack specialist....

Revis was not good 1st round pick. he is like adams but better and he still is not good for us because we want to get guys that win us the games.

 

How the hell can anyone disagree with this?

[BornJetsFan1983]

6 hours ago, prime21 said:

Jamal Adams can not win us a SB but he is a major piece of the puzzle we are trying to complete.  The Jets have major holes to fill and we should be happy that the safety positions are not one of them, assuming Maye stays healthy.

woudlnt you rather have someone that actually can win the game for us? OL Sack artist? just cause he is good safety doesnt mean he is good draft pick for us. He was not.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Revis cant win games like a Qb or protect Qbs or sack qbs. All the lights out perfect game play and completely shut down games he had with Revis island didnt get us to SB and honestly cant. Nope not good 1st round draft pick. Same as other comments  - its not complicated but the cowboys game shows you that there are two different ways to draft. the way we have done it for the most part and then the correct way. The correct way is QB, OL, or Sack specialist....

Revis was not good 1st round pick. he is like adams but better and he still is not good for us because we want to get guys that win us the games.

 

How the hell can anyone disagree with this?

 

I slightly disagree with what you're saying here.  CB1 is a premium position.  

How I would rank the most important positions:

1.  QB

2.  LT

3.  EDGE (and/or pass-rushing DT)

4a/b/c/d.  Rest of OL (basically a tie among all 4 other spots)

5.  CB1

6.  WR1

7.  WR2

[Barry McCockinner]

19 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

did you see the cowboy game? Cause I did and it seems pretty obvious that Darnold is the one that lifted the team to the win. You are pretending to be stupid with the whole some one has to hike the ball catch the ball etc. 

You either can't comprehend or choose not to. Its not complicated. Adams is great player but not worth the 1st rounder. Those should be for players like sam or players that hit and protect players like sam.

The offense played much better with Darnold at QB. He didn't win the game himself - no one ever does in football. This is just a simple fact that some cannot seem to comprehend for whatever reason. It's unfortunate how often it needs to be pointed out.

IDGAF what draft pick Jamal was taken with. It's done and over with. Sunk cost. The GM who took him is gone and unemployed. We're left with a great player and I like it when the Jets have great players. No where did I ever argue that we should be taking safeties with high first round picks.

Why are you so traumatized by it?

[prime21]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Revis was the most important player on defense for a team that won 4 playoff games in 2 seasons.  

Adams is 10-27 since he arrived and the defense has been below average in that span.  

You, sir, are taking crazy pills.  I'm the one using facts.  

 

If there was a redraft today, Mahomes and Watson would go 1 and 2, Garrett would go #3 and Adams would be selected anywhere between 4-6

 

 

[Pac]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

 

I slightly disagree with what you're saying here.  CB1 is a premium position.  

How I would rank the most important positions:

1.  QB

2.  LT

3.  EDGE (and/or pass-rushing DT)

4a/b/c/d.  Rest of OL (basically a tie among all 4 other spots)

5.  CB1

6.  WR1

7.  WR2

 

82 - 21 bub.  Despite your non-stop crusade the last couple years people KNOW you and band of weirdos are cray cray.

Chew on that steak for a while. 

[Jetsfan80]

 

7 minutes ago, Pac said:

 

82 - 21 bub.  Despite your non-stop crusade the last couple years people KNOW you and band of weirdos are cray cray.

Chew on that steak for a while. 

The following poll options would never be deemed acceptable in any reasonable poll:

• Yes - It is important to remind everyone every time Adams is mentioned.
• No - What's done is done and I like it when the Jets have good players.

 

 

Basing peoples' opinions on Adams on this poll is like relying on a Bleacher Report article by an 8th grader to determine the "pulse" on Rex Ryan. 

 

A heavy majority of people thought Mark Sanchez was a franchise QB in 2011.  They were not correct.  Fan opinions do not outweight the numbers.  Again:  10-27 and a below average defense suggest that Jamal Adams, while NOT a bust, was both a bad pick and not a highly impactful player.  Those are the only numbers needed to suggest this is correct. 

 

And those numbers also demonstrate giving Jamal Adams an extension for top Safety dollars would be a mistake.  That's the most important and relevant aspect of this debate at this point.  

[Bungaman]

7 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I can certainly see paying Adams.  The interesting thing to me is that I generally feel that inside LBs are also a non-premium position, but they are paying Mosley all that cash and it seems that it may not have been a bad decision.  A box safety is usually actually playing ILB (Mark Barron), so maybe those in favor of Mosley should not be so hard on Adams.  I'm not sure if they can/should pay both of them, but it will be interesting.

One must account for the fact that teams have to spend minimum amounts on salaries (I think it's a floating average over three years.) And, we have drafted so poorly/shallowly that we have plenty of cash  on hand to give out to FA's because we're seldom renewing the contracts of our own draft picks beyond their first contract. 

We had the money, the idea was to get good players (at multiple positions,) and that's the way and where the money went based on who was available and who was willing to come to NY. Maybe when all of the distortions from drafting badly (including having affordable replacements in our own ranks, not FA's, who are more expensive,) the team's salaries by position compared to league averages will trend toward the less insane. Most teams have outliers in terms of overpaying for a FA at a position, based on how desperate they are to fill a need.

[prime21]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Basing peoples' opinions on Adams on this poll is like relying on a Bleacher Report article by an 8th grader to determine the "pulse" on Rex Ryan. 

Bleacher Report does not employ 8th graders or any kids to publish articles.