Mike135 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I'm not making excuses for Sam. He sucked. Can't just toss the ball up like that. Throw it away every down, or take the sacks. But the main weakness last night was the oline. Bill saw the Dallas tape. Instead of doing what he normally does, and take away the Jets best weapon (Bell), he just decided to send 6, 7 or 8 every time. Oline just has no clue how to block blitzers. We saw that on the first drive. Sam pointed out the blitzer and the guy still wasn't picked up. If other teams have any sense, they're gonna do the same until the Jets prove they can pick up the blitzers while having WRs who look for quick passes. And of course while Sam just continues to toss softballs up for grabs. So is it possible to get this oline to improve a little so they can at least put a body on blitzers instead of having free runners on almost every play? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rex-n-effect Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 This is the same garbage we saw in earlier games. The OL is confused and there is no adjustment to get them some help. Just keep doing the same thing the entire game and then Gase comes out and says it was bad. The OL looks worse with better talent than last year which is an indication the scheme is bad or bad for the players. Even if the scheme wasn't terrible the lack of in-game adjustments is a coaching problem. The OL players can't make other player take on blocking assignments. Darnold was terrible but he was being chased down and trying to make something out of his passes. It was similar to what we saw a lot with Sanchez especially as the roster started to fall apart. Darnold needs experience and training to develop and understand in college you can get away with lobbing it up and expecting your more talented receivers to beat less talented defenders but in the NFL the talent disparity isn't there to make that a good strategy. He needs to learn to calm down back there and when to throw it away or run. I get the impression Gase does not want Darnold running at all but that is again a terrible coaching problem because letting Darnold get mobile at times would help relieve some of the pressure on himself and the OL. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 minute ago, rex-n-effect said: The OL is confused and there is no adjustment to get them some help. get them some help? is there an NFL OL help line? Start 8 OL? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Losmeister said: get them some help? is there an NFL OL help line? Start 8 OL? That's pretty good.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BCJet Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 Yes very easily - our Head Coach can actually react to the defense and our the team in situations to succeed. Do our individual parts suck - yes. But you we could have had Trent Williams - Lewis - Harrison - Brandon scherff - Edoga starting last night and the difference would have been marginable if that. The Pats rushed 6 when we had 5 blockers all night and rushed 7 when we kept in a TE. Yet we didn’t change the WR routes, throw a screen pass, have Sam keep a zone read or have Sam roll out. Gase literally didn’t do anything whatsoever to schematically slow down the pass rush. Trent Williams or Andrew Thomas can’t come in here and block 2 guys at once. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, BCJet said: Yes very easily - our Head Coach can actually react to the defense and our the team in situations to succeed. Do our individual parts suck - yes. But you we could have had Trent Williams - Lewis - Harrison - Brandon scherff - Edoga starting last night and the difference would have been marginable if that. The Pats rushed 6 when we had 5 blockers all night and rushed 7 when we kept in a TE. Yet we didn’t change the WR routes, throw a screen pass, have Sam keep a zone read or have Sam roll out. Gase literally didn’t do anything whatsoever to schematically slow down the pass rush. Trent Williams or Andrew Thomas can’t come in here and block 2 guys at once. This video @C Mart posted is pretty telling imo.. Honestly makes me feel better about Sam. But we're kinda F'ed on oline. I mean shouldn't NFL olinemen be able to figure out who to block? Otherwise all teams would show 8 rushing and randomly drop back 3 of them leaving free rushers to sprint to the QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mike135 said: This video @C Mart posted is pretty telling imo.. Honestly makes me feel better about Sam. But we're kinda F'ed on oline. I mean shouldn't NFL olinemen be able to figure out who to block? Otherwise all teams would show 8 rushing and randomly drop back 3 of them leaving free rushers to sprint to the QB. shouldn't the coach adjust to help the online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, BCJet said: Yes very easily - our Head Coach can actually react to the defense and ... riiiiight, it wasnt that we were just outmanned/overmatched it was the OC wasnt CLEVER enough. we shoulda justy leaned on the run game, right? th eone that leads the league in stuffed runs.... ignore list #55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, rammagen said: shouldn't the coach adjust to help the online? Still need players who can do their job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mike135 said: This video @C Mart posted is pretty telling imo.. Honestly makes me feel better about Sam. But we're kinda F'ed on oline. I mean shouldn't NFL olinemen be able to figure out who to block? Otherwise all teams would show 8 rushing and randomly drop back 3 of them leaving free rushers to sprint to the QB. Part of the reason it works so well for the Pats is their defensive discipline. Their DL hold their rush lanes, occupy lineman and keep the pocket contained. That makes things much easier for the blitzers If you look at the strip sack the DE on the opposite side of Simon who caused the fumble is simply keeping contain so that Sam had no where to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Here’s my honest take. Number one, these guys suck let’s get that out of the way. A zone OL requires smart, athletic Lineman. We do not have that at all, so why are we running zone? The answer is Bell. Bell has thrived being patient with zone blocking, waiting to find the opening. He does not like hitting a designated hole created in man blocking schemes. So we’re running zone for his benefit at the expense of what we’re more suited to do. IMO if it’s not too late we should be moving to a man blocking scheme and make Bell adjust. It’s not like the zone blocking is helping him either.Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Mike135 said: Still need players who can do their job. the coaches job is to put players into position to succeed can you honestly say that Gates has done that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Mike135 said: Still need players who can do their job. Midas couldnt turn these turds into... an NFL OL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, rammagen said: the coaches job is to put players into position to succeed can you honestly say that Gates has done that? Yes. It doesn't seem he has the olinemen needed to operate a team vs a great D like NE though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Mike135 said: Yes. It doesn't seem he has the olinemen needed to operate a team vs a great D like NE though. Then you are watching a different game then the rest of us. Because he has not. They are blitzing 7guys and he has designed plays with 5blockers, that is not good coaching is t? Roll out for Sam no their too. Base is a bad coach and this new excuse is the online I find it hard to believe all 5starters regressed without fault going on base and his scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Snell41 said: Here’s my honest take. Number one, these guys suck let’s get that out of the way. A zone OL requires smart, athletic Lineman. We do not have that at all, so why are we running zone? The answer is Bell. Bell has thrived being patient with zone blocking, waiting to find the opening. He does not like hitting a designated hole created in man blocking schemes. So we’re running zone for his benefit at the expense of what we’re more suited to do. IMO if it’s not too late we should be moving to a man blocking scheme and make Bell adjust. It’s not like the zone blocking is helping him either. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app You would think this basic idea would have probably been thought about before the season started and we would have incorporated it at some point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: You would think this basic idea would have probably been thought about before the season started and we would have incorporated it at some point one would think.... but this is the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 No adjustments, no rollouts, no innovation nothing. Gases needs to be fired, I’m hoping after we lose to the Jags Sunday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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