Game Observations (NE)

[KRL]

This will be short yet balanced.  The Jets will never be on NE level until there's
a major influx of talent, Sam Darnold grows up and whoever the HC is adjusts his
game plan when it isn't working:

- Hate to do it but huge respect to Belichick.  It seems like after all the DC he's
had (Crennel, Mangini, Patricia & Flores) he decided to return to his "first love"
and is kicking the crap out of offenses.  Masterful game plan last night against
Darnold, Belichick actually used Darnold's strengths against him.  Against DAL
Darnold displayed his ability to throw from multiple angles and foot positions.
But he did it from a solid foundation, with his feet on the ground and forward
momentum.  Last night Belichick first played with Darnold's head pre-snap then 
continuously brought middle pressure which forced him to throw backing up.  Which
led to tons of high floating INT's and incompletions

- Sam Darnold played his 16th career game (full season) last night.  He wasn't going
to Canton after the DAL game and he isn't "garbage" after last night.  The key going
into the rest of the season is how does he bounce back after adversity.  You can't be
a franchise QB unless you display that trait

- The Jets weren't winning that game but Adam Gase needed to do a better job of
adjusting.  With the way NE was bringing pressure he needed to go to "max protect"
when throwing, instead he stayed with too many spread formations.  Also when Gase went
with "heavy personnel" (multiple TE's) they finally ran the ball effectively, he didn't
stay with it long enough

- From now until December this team will face JAX, MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN, MIA.
That's seven games against bad teams, can this team show me something and go on a
streak??? 

[HighPitch]

It seems like it doesnt matter what coaches come or go on the pats nor does it matter what players come and go. its a well oiled maching day in and day out. He has some nifty plays where i was fooled.

 

Bellicheck is the best coach to ever coach. Its ok to say that. it is what it is. Even without the "cheating" they will beat you.

[ChuckkieB]

Well said as usual.  Agree 100%. Let's see what this team has left in the tank the rest of the way.  

As far as NE and Belechick goes, like it or not, he is truly the genius of that organization.  As much as it pains me to say it, he might be the best HC in any sport of all time.  

 

 

[Losmeister]

10 minutes ago, KRL said:

he needed to go to "max protect"

riiiiiight so they can double team one or 2 receivers...

there is no clever game plan/adjustment to your OL getting their ass beat on 80% plays all game long....

and when i say "beat" i mean slaughtered, manhandled, killed....

and your QB protecting himself by giving the other team the ball on passes that have 0% chance of completion and 99% chance of interception.

 

[JetNation]

This will be short yet balanced.  The Jets will never be on New England’s level until there’s a major influx of talent, Sam Darnold grows up and whoever the head coac is adjusts his game plan when it isn’t working:

– Hate to do it but huge respect to Belichick.  It seems like after all the DC he’s had (Crennel, Mangini, Patricia & Flores) he decided to return to his “first love” and is kicking the crap out of offenses.  Masterful game plan last night against Darnold, Belichick actually used Darnold’s strengths against him.  Against Dallas, Darnold displayed his ability to throw from multiple angles and foot positions. But he did it from a solid foundation, with his feet on the ground and forward momentum.  Last night Belichick first played with Darnold’s head pre-snap then continuously brought middle pressure which forced him to throw backing up.  Which led to tons of high floating INT’s and incompletions.

– Sam Darnold played his 16th career game (full season) last night.  He wasn’t going to Canton after the DAL game and he isn’t “garbage” after last night.  The key going into the rest of the season is how does he bounce back after adversity.  You can’t be a franchise QB unless you display that trait.

– The Jets weren’t winning that game but Adam Gase needed to do a better job of adjusting.  With the way NE was bringing pressure he needed to go to “max protect” when throwing, instead he stayed with too many spread formations.  Also when Gase went with “heavy personnel” (multiple TE’s) they finally ran the ball effectively, he didn’t stay with it long enough.

– From now until December this team will face JAX, MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN, MIA. That’s seven games against bad teams, can this team show me something and go on a streak?

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[Hael]

My game observations. 

On Offense.  It was kinda predictable that Darnold was going to struggle with New England's exotic presnap movements.  Every team has so far, including big Ben, who's played the game for many years.  By the end of it, Darnold had no idea where people were going and was basically getting zero blitz'd to death.  That strategy is very risky for most teams, but the Pats have 4 corners who can hold up in man coverage for a few seconds, so it's much more consistent.

Anyway, zero blitzes work very well against young players, but it's a very fixable problem.  For vet qbs, it's basically giving away free yards b/c the qb switches into a hot route, changes the protection package, identifies the right mismatch and instant throws to an area and that's usually good enough to beat it 95% of the time.

Darnold wasn't switching to his hot routes (that's usually a playcall, which he wasn't doing), and he wasn't sliding his Oline to give him a split second more.  Part of that was his aforementioned confusion about the presnap reads, but by the end of the game, the disguise was gone.   They were just sending the house, and they still couldn't beat it.  That's on the coaching staff.

Of course the OL and Wr's were completely overwhelmed from a quality standpoint.

On Defense..  We got murdered by Edelman as usual so we had to double him.  But end of the day there is a talent problem at cb.   When UDFAs are routinely burning the secondary and are wide open, that's a personnel problem.  Of course we also had no pass rush going, which was disappointing against NE's backup OLs.  What was new was that BB, exposed some lbs coverage problems.  James White was routinely wide open.

Anyway not much more to say.  I think we can put some wins up in the soft part of the schedule, but the core problems will need at least an offseason to fix.

[peebag]

Quote

- From now until December this team will face JAX, MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN, MIA.
That's seven games against bad teams, can this team show me something and go on a
streak??? 

uh, yeah, we're a bad team as well.  Anyone from that group can lay the wood on us.

[32EBoozer]

2 hours ago, KRL said:

This will be short yet balanced.  The Jets will never be on NE level until there's
a major influx of talent, Sam Darnold grows up and whoever the HC is adjusts his
game plan when it isn't working:

- Hate to do it but huge respect to Belichick.  It seems like after all the DC he's
had (Crennel, Mangini, Patricia & Flores) he decided to return to his "first love"
and is kicking the crap out of offenses.  Masterful game plan last night against
Darnold, Belichick actually used Darnold's strengths against him.  Against DAL
Darnold displayed his ability to throw from multiple angles and foot positions.
But he did it from a solid foundation, with his feet on the ground and forward
momentum.  Last night Belichick first played with Darnold's head pre-snap then 
continuously brought middle pressure which forced him to throw backing up.  Which
led to tons of high floating INT's and incompletions

The first paragraph is something that we have known for years, no matter how much we pretend otherwise.

 

Paragraph 2 describes something we've also known for years..... There is no better coach in devising a game plan to eliminate the opponents offense. I hate to admit it, with every bone in my body, Bellichik is a master game planner!!

 

 

[NJ]

Simply ... Beli exploited a garbage OL to the degree that a young inexperienced QB drowned and drowned quickly. 

Sam isn't "done" or "bad" - he will be back and thrive. He has the skill set.

 

I don't know how to explain the inept defense even with Mosley back.

[carlito1171]

3 hours ago, KRL said:

This will be short yet balanced.  The Jets will never be on NE level until there's
a major influx of talent, Sam Darnold grows up and whoever the HC is adjusts his
game plan when it isn't working:

- Hate to do it but huge respect to Belichick.  It seems like after all the DC he's
had (Crennel, Mangini, Patricia & Flores) he decided to return to his "first love"
and is kicking the crap out of offenses.  Masterful game plan last night against
Darnold, Belichick actually used Darnold's strengths against him.  Against DAL
Darnold displayed his ability to throw from multiple angles and foot positions.
But he did it from a solid foundation, with his feet on the ground and forward
momentum.  Last night Belichick first played with Darnold's head pre-snap then 
continuously brought middle pressure which forced him to throw backing up.  Which
led to tons of high floating INT's and incompletions

- Sam Darnold played his 16th career game (full season) last night.  He wasn't going
to Canton after the DAL game and he isn't "garbage" after last night.  The key going
into the rest of the season is how does he bounce back after adversity.  You can't be
a franchise QB unless you display that trait

- The Jets weren't winning that game but Adam Gase needed to do a better job of
adjusting.  With the way NE was bringing pressure he needed to go to "max protect"
when throwing, instead he stayed with too many spread formations.  Also when Gase went
with "heavy personnel" (multiple TE's) they finally ran the ball effectively, he didn't
stay with it long enough

- From now until December this team will face JAX, MIA, NYG, WAS, OAK, CIN, MIA.
That's seven games against bad teams, can this team show me something and go on a
streak??? 

Thanks as always for your level headed analysis! 

[carlito1171]

1 hour ago, Hael said:

Anyway, zero blitzes work very well against young players, but it's a very fixable problem.  For vet qbs, it's basically giving away free yards b/c the qb switches into a hot route, changes the protection package, identifies the right mismatch and instant throws to an area and that's usually good enough to beat it 95% of the time.

Darnold wasn't switching to his hot routes (that's usually a playcall, which he wasn't doing), and he wasn't sliding his Oline to give him a split second more.  Part of that was his aforementioned confusion about the presnap reads, but by the end of the game, the disguise was gone.   They were just sending the house, and they still couldn't beat it.  That's on the coaching staff.

Also doesn’t help that we don’t have any receivers who can consistently win against man coverage. Can’t be balanced and give Bell a bunch of carries either because the OL can’t open holes in the run game. We were doomed from the start but folks let the Dallas game get to their heads....