Losmeister Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Saul Goodman said: He flashed a lot in his first year or two but never developed the moves or strength (especially) to realize his potential. He’s still young so I could see him performing better with a fresh start in a new system elsewhere. A 2nd round pick sure would be nice to get in return. never saw a guy so glued to the OL when tryna get to the QB.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 17 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/baldy-s-breakdown-leonard-williams-vs-the-patriots Good, fluff pieces like this can polish a turd on the trade market. Leo is the definition of a JAG... he doesn't move the needle, he just holds the spot down. Exact same guy at USC - never saw the flash there either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: I don't think he's any kind of bust as much as the pick is part of a losing macro strategy. Obviously the overall idea in the first round has been just don't miss. That part is fine. Ignoring positional value as a means to that end isn't. There's a lot less wringing of hands over the Williams pick if three of our four next rounders aren't ILB, S, DT. 4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: It’s a matter of opinion. He’s a relative bust in that he’s not nearly the player they thought he’d become with such a high pick. He doesn’t move the needle over a replacement enough to invest a #6 overall pick into the player. Could we have made an even worse pick? Of course. As it’s been mentioned, if he was even a 2nd round pick (let alone a mid-round pick or later) there would be no complaints about him. However unrealistic it might be, when you pick that high you’re expecting a perennial allstar type, if not a borderline or actual HOF candidate. He’s a good player, but he’s not great, and great is what you hope for at #6 when you’re not drafting to fill a hole. Yes it’s bad when ILB-S-DT are 3 of the next 4 first rounders. But it’s that much worse since, at the time, we had 2 good young ones starting already (3 if you include Coples, who wasn’t so good, but his 5th year option the team exercised by that same GM just before drafting Leo). No argument about the positional value, which is obvious to any GM (or fan coming to said GM’s defense) who isn’t overthinking an upcoming pick so much he misses the forest for the trees, and forgets the goal of drafting is to build a team not drafting to not-get second guessed on player-to-slot value with myopic, perceived BPA regardless of position. If you're a top 10 pick at a non-premium position and don't see a 2nd contract with the team who drafted you, I'd call that a bust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 20 hours ago, Rangers9 said: Well the question is do they want to re-sign him and pay market for him. Or do they take moderate compensation now. What is the market value for a guy who is average , but can't sniff the QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 49 minutes ago, section314 said: What is the market value for a guy who is average , but can't sniff the QB? He’s above average is often double teamed. As for pay grade DLs is high not sure about his money you’d think at least 8 per. Maybe 5-40-20 guaranteed. That’s just a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plen T Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 if this was basketball he's a role player like PJ Tucker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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