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darnold = major bust (as of Nov 4, 2019)

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2 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

Sorry that touched a nerve. It wasn't intended to. I think you're the guy who needs to settle down Mary. Nobody brought your name into it. Part of having  "conversations" can be mentioning things brought up in prior posts, no?

Don't look to take things personal that aren't.

Like I said, settle down Francis. 

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6 hours ago, Warfish said:

Sam's footwork and mechanics have been utterly atrocious in 2019.  He's playing terrified and his mechanics show it.

Of course there are reasons for this beyond just Sam, no one would question that.  But Sam is not playing well or performing mechanically well at all.  There is also no real denying that either.

Agreed. Fix the external factors and reassess his play after next season. Getting a new QB makes no sense since no one would be able to assess him in this dumpster fire either. 

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12 hours ago, Losmeister said:

it's that simple.

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So its not the OL

Its not the lack or WRs

Its the play calling

Everything is fine, Darnold just needs to step up and play well.

Have to appreciate fans who love and hate QBs game by game.  Unable to even begin to understand whats going on in the game

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1 hour ago, Bomberjet said:

The whole fuc&kin entire team is playing crappy,-- name one player that hasn't made a bone head play?

Not even Tom Brady can elevate this mess.

most of the team plays crappy most of the time, yes

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saw a shirt jets sucked for sam and now sams sucks for the jets :(  I still believe in Sam nothing else but him

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3 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

This would've been a great argument if those other historic azzclowns, the Jets and Macc, weren't the ones doing the picking at #3 after trading a first round pick and 3 seconds to do it, huh?

Jets history >> Browns history

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10 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Until we have a coach who’s good enough to make Darnold elite it will always be the coaches fault, and if that coach should arrive Darnold will then be elite, so obviously not a bust.

But seriously, if you watch this guy and see someone who’s anything but a good athlete with no understanding of the mechanics and mental aspect of the position, you’re deluding yourself.

We will be looking for another QB sooner rather than later

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34 minutes ago, kmnj said:

saw a shirt jets sucked for sam and now sams sucks for the jets :(  I still believe in Sam nothing else but him

We suck Sam Sucks the entire organisation sucks

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59 minutes ago, TheMo said:

Sanchez had brick faneca mangold moore and woody from left to right. That was the best OL in football paired with above average RB along with braylon edwards/crotchety. Oh he also had I believe the number one defense in the NFL bolstering him on the other side. Flawed comparison if you ask me. Other than the all USC QBs are the same nonsense. 

He also had Tony Richardson (who was a great leader and huge unlock door the run game) and Ladainian in the backfield (and Leon Washington, who I thought was a gamer before the leg injury) and a solid veteran mentor in Brunell. 

I think Sam misses McCown quite a bit. 

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A very young starter with no offensive line on a dysfunctional franchise that just got beat up every which way by a team that is trying to tank. Yeah, it's a great roster and Sam is clearly holding the team back.

oh no facepalm GIF

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1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

 Lol, Darnold has incredible footwork.

As long as we're making stuff up, he has a laser rocket arm and weighs 60 stones!

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1 minute ago, TeddEY said:

As long as we're making stuff up, he has a laser rocket arm and weighs 60 stones!

Sam Darnold is the next Big Ben. 

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13 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

As long as we're making stuff up, he has a laser rocket arm and weighs 60 stones!

Let me try.  Sam Darnold is not the AFC’s mitch trubisky.

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2 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Lol, Darnold has incredible footwork. And yes, he has thrown a lot of interceptions but he is still an amazing talent. All of you dumping on him are idiots plain and simple

irony

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4 hours ago, Embrace the Suck said:

A very young starter with no offensive line on a dysfunctional franchise that just got beat up every which way by a team that is trying to tank. Yeah, it's a great roster and Sam is clearly holding the team back.

oh no facepalm GIF

plays well less than 1 outta 3 games

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14 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

We will be looking for another QB sooner rather than later

Thankfully our shiny new GM isnt a overreacting fan who gets mad at loses and tosses the good away with the bad 

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veteran b/u and competition w/ Sam...

Andy Dalton?

not sure why i was thinking of the freekin bengals this morn

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caveat emptor, eh?

https://sports.yahoo.com/sam-darnold-simply-next-usc-quarterback-flop-nfl-023025841.html

 In easily his biggest test of the season, Darnold matched up against Ohio State’s talent-rich defense in the Cotton Bowl. With his elongated release – reminiscent of one Byron Leftwich – and onslaught of bad throws, he looked outclassed, anxious and downright shook, finishing the game with two lost fumbles and an inexcusable pick-six during the Trojans’ 24-7 defeat.

The pick-six immediately draws a red flag, not because Darnold lacks the necessary arm strength, but because of the double coverage disguise that he will see more of as a pro. The Buckeyes’ defense baited him to make the throw and that’s precisely what he did.

Additionally, Darnold missed on several uncontested throws, a microcosm of a sophomore season in which his accuracy suffered and completion percentage dipped over four full points. Against Ohio State, he displayed next-to-nothing pocket presence while being sacked eight times, the majority of which should have been avoided by better pre-snap reads or throwing the ball away.

Better yet, he nearly committed another devastating pick-six. Trying to avoid a safety, he threw the football up for grabs in the waning moments of the first half. The pass fell harmlessly to the ground, but it displayed his Jay Cutler-like disregard for ball control, a central theme for Darnold and one that cannot not be ignored when evaluating a quarterback.

Whether or not Darnold achieves success at the next level remains to be seen, but there are undoubtedly significant problems in this gunslinger’s arsenal. Plenty of teams in the top 10 need a quarterback and someone will surely bet on his moxie and accuracy to become their franchise cornerstone. It’s a losing bet however and in turn, a colossal mistake.

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3 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

caveat emptor, eh?

https://sports.yahoo.com/sam-darnold-simply-next-usc-quarterback-flop-nfl-023025841.html

 In easily his biggest test of the season, Darnold matched up against Ohio State’s talent-rich defense in the Cotton Bowl. With his elongated release – reminiscent of one Byron Leftwich – and onslaught of bad throws, he looked outclassed, anxious and downright shook, finishing the game with two lost fumbles and an inexcusable pick-six during the Trojans’ 24-7 defeat.

The pick-six immediately draws a red flag, not because Darnold lacks the necessary arm strength, but because of the double coverage disguise that he will see more of as a pro. The Buckeyes’ defense baited him to make the throw and that’s precisely what he did.

Additionally, Darnold missed on several uncontested throws, a microcosm of a sophomore season in which his accuracy suffered and completion percentage dipped over four full points. Against Ohio State, he displayed next-to-nothing pocket presence while being sacked eight times, the majority of which should have been avoided by better pre-snap reads or throwing the ball away.

Better yet, he nearly committed another devastating pick-six. Trying to avoid a safety, he threw the football up for grabs in the waning moments of the first half. The pass fell harmlessly to the ground, but it displayed his Jay Cutler-like disregard for ball control, a central theme for Darnold and one that cannot not be ignored when evaluating a quarterback.

Whether or not Darnold achieves success at the next level remains to be seen, but there are undoubtedly significant problems in this gunslinger’s arsenal. Plenty of teams in the top 10 need a quarterback and someone will surely bet on his moxie and accuracy to become their franchise cornerstone. It’s a losing bet however and in turn, a colossal mistake.

but but but............ Sam Darnold is the best prospect to come out since luck.  

Hopefully now, Jet fans will see the qb we drafted for who he is.  He is Mitch Trubusky with one national tv rose bowl game against ND.

He didnt win a heisman because he wasnt very good.  he didnt go number 1 in the draft because he wasnt very good.

Sam Darnold is doing in the pros exactly what he did in college.  Only people who werent paying attention are surprised by this.

 

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15 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Lol, Darnold has incredible footwork. And yes, he has thrown a lot of interceptions but he is still an amazing talent. All of you dumping on him are idiots plain and simple

How come Sam Darnold is struggling (the last 3 games...it’s not EVERY game, so many short memories) when he DOES NOT PLAY FOR A F*CKIN NFL TEAM???? Hahaha

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On 11/4/2019 at 4:15 AM, Losmeister said:

it's that simple.

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Congrats you’re on your way to being an all time buttfumble finalist.

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On 11/4/2019 at 6:59 AM, Raideraholic said:

Steve Young was a bust playing in Tampa bay too( bad offense line) , than gets traded to the 49ers( very good offense line ) and suddenly is the franchise Qb everyone thought he was.

The Jets have to fix that offense line before any Qb can be successful.     No Qb likes to get hit - even franchise QBs.  A young  Qb gets hit enough times early in his career , and that  can ruin him forever.( can develop a lot of bad habits( throwing off the back foot) and speeding up the clock in his head( imagine pressure that might not be there.

Jets want to trade Darnold,  call the Raiders .  Gruden will be gladly willing to trade one of his first for Darnold.     The Raiders have the time ( can be backup to Carr) and the offense line To rehabilitate Sam Darnold.

You have a chance to rebuild a franchise qb confidence , and that opens up a chance to recoup so much more than they gave up to acquire him.   Or if  he never develops , than the Raiders lost that first , and the Jets have another  piece to rebuild their offense.
 

No way that happens. But other than that ridiculous trade, Well said. You can see Sam’s body language since he returned from his mono. He played decently vs. the Cowgirls but regressed horrifically the last 2 games. He looks shell shocked, disinterested, hopeless, disgusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if this OL isn’t fixed immediately next year, Sam will bolt as soon as his contract is over with the Jets. 

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1 minute ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Context.... Look it up. It's a team sport.

Am not bashing his W/L record.  Even tho  he promised lots of wins. 

Its his PERFORMANCE being far more ogften poor than good thats the problem.

 

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8 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

Am not bashing his W/L record.  Even tho  he promised lots of wins. 

Its his PERFORMANCE being far more ogften poor than good thats the problem.

 

I understood that. The context/team sport stuff has to do with the fact that he can't block for himself or run good routes. If the Oline did it's job and the WRs actually made an effort to fight for the ball he'd look a lot better. His performance has gone down the tubes in part due to not having any support around him. Bell is great he can't block for himself either. Find me a QB who can consistently play well without a functional Oline and I'll be amazed.  

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21 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Find me a QB who can consistently play well without a functional Oline and I'll be amazed.  

they were saying the same for Josh Rosen...  stick in Fitzpatrick and they can compete..

Fitz looks better than Rosen. THATS what I am getting at...   am not saying that you could expect top 10

performance...    a better QB would have better stats than Sam, cos Sam, right now, isnt a good QB.

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29 minutes ago, afjetsfan said:

No.

DTyDZkoUMAA_nAn?format=jpg%26name=900x90that is fundamentally schitt footwork w/ no pressure on him

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Just now, Losmeister said:

DTyDZkoUMAA_nAn?format=jpg%26name=900x90that is fundamentally schitt footwork w/ no pressure on him

Sam Darnold is a good QB, with the potential to be great.  We are not talking about Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith, Sam has all the talent to be a top QB.  His performance is the result of bad coaching, O-line and a lack of skilled players.  Crowder seems like the only player that can make an impact with the team as it is currently constructed. Anderson has a couple of good moments, but lacks consistency.

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9 minutes ago, afjetsfan said:

Sam Darnold is a good QB, with the potential to be great.  We are not talking about Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith, Sam has all the talent to be a top QB.  His performance is the result of bad coaching, O-line and a lack of skilled players.  Crowder seems like the only player that can make an impact with the team as it is currently constructed. Anderson has a couple of good moments, but lacks consistency.

lets bet money on some performance metrics....   or are you all MOWF?

my prop. next 2 years Sam cannot achieve a 2:1 Td/INT ratio  $200

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