Why isn’t anybody taking about the actual design on the Darnold goal line INT?

[HessStation]

2nd and goal, three WR set to the short side of the field, Bell and Griffin both stay into block, Edoga appears to let an ILB blitz go untouched, two of the WR’s actually run into each other, actually all three are completely bunched together with no place to go, with no safety valve anywhere but three morons in a moronic goal line set who can’t get off the line of scrimmage. Meanwhile Lewis can’t hold his block for more than less a second. The decision to throw it up for grabs wasn’t smart but NOBODY, especially the coaches play call is helping him. The entire team is a sh*tfest and he’s taking the brunt.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/more/top-stories/video-sam-darnold-throws-the-dumbest-interception-of-the-season/amp

 

[dbatesman]

Because it’s kinda beside the point to discuss play design when the QB sh*ts his pants at the first sign of pressure and then shotputs a lollipop into triple coverage at the goal line as he’s going to the ground

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

Because it’s kinda beside the point to discuss play design when the QB sh*ts his pants at the first sign of pressure and then shotputs a lollipop into triple coverage at the goal line as he’s going to the ground

He was trying to throw it away. Small hands hurt his ability to get the ball out there.

[CTM]

The Pat's ran a similiar play for a TD last night. 

[HessStation]

8 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Because it’s kinda beside the point to discuss play design when the QB sh*ts his pants at the first sign of pressure and then shotputs a lollipop into triple coverage at the goal line as he’s going to the ground

If you watch it in slowmo and think about the formation, play design, Bell and Griffin, their two best red zone targets stay into block and still let an inside blitz go untouched, then three WRs bunched, all three running into each, on a roll out, there’s multiple things here more laughable than the actual throw imo. 

[T0mShane]

If someone can provide a clip of that, you HAVE TO see what Edoga does on that play. Single-handedly ruins the whole thing

[dbatesman]

5 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

He was trying to throw it away. Small hands hurt his ability to get the ball out there.

That doesn’t make me feel better!

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, CTM said:

The Pat's ran a similiar play for a TD last night. 

Play concept was somewhat ok. Hey, not every play is going to work.

Problem was the escape hatch of ending plays that need to be aborted. Darnold has not learned that concept, is justifiably skittish at this point. 99% of people would be behind that o-line. 

The question is, have we ruined him for good?

[Sammybighead]

“ok Sam, we gonna roll you out left"

“coach, I'm right handed"

“true, think about how confused the dolphins will be if you're confused yourself!"

[Augustiniak]

4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Play concept was somewhat ok. Hey, not every play is going to work.

Problem was the escape hatch of ending plays that need to be aborted. Darnold has not learned that concept, is justifiably skittish at this point. 99% of people would be behind that o-line. 

The question is, have we ruined him for good?

Don’t love it.  Watched it a few times on youtube.  Very cramped area with 3wrs and several dbs at goal line.  Darnold is in awkward position rolling left and turning to point his left shoulder to throw, that’s when blitz comes.  Whether he was actually trying to throw it away or not, it’s debatable.  Maybe he was, maybe he was chucking it up for his wr.  But it looks like it slips out of his hand as he is turning while running to avoid the blitz.  Why they didn’t have him roll right when it’s a much more natural throwing motion and he has more room - maybe he runs in for a td too.  But why ask why

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, Augustiniak said:

Don’t love it.  Watched it a few times on youtube.  Very cramped area with 3wrs and several dbs at goal line.  Darnold is in awkward position rolling left and turning to point his left shoulder to throw, that’s when blitz comes.  Whether he was actually trying to throw it away or not, it’s debatable.  Maybe he was, maybe he was chucking it up for his wr.  But it looks like it slips out of his hand as he is turning while running to avoid the blitz.  Why they didn’t have him roll right when it’s a much more natural throwing motion and he has more room - maybe he runs in for a td too.  But why ask why

The ball comes out poorly, which makes me believe the throw away scenario.

Darnold has smallish hands and that is what happens in tight quarters with small handed QB's

[carlito1171]

I have to go back to that "AND" thread from last week....

 

Adam Gase made a terrible playcall AND Darnold made a dumbass decision

 

I don't get the need to find a singular entity to blame 

[carlito1171]

15 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

He was trying to throw it away. Small hands hurt his ability to get the ball out there.

Except he wasn't...he tried to give Crowder a chance in triple coverage...

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

The ball comes out poorly, which makes me believe the throw away scenario.

Darnold has smallish hands and that is what happens in tight quarters with small handed QB's

It was also raining, maybe it slipped out.  Don’t know if he commented on it.  But if he had been rolling right it would have been much easier to chuck it out of bounds, if that’s what he wanted to do.

[CTM]

15 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Play concept was somewhat ok. Hey, not every play is going to work.

Problem was the escape hatch of ending plays that need to be aborted. Darnold has not learned that concept, is justifiably skittish at this point. 99% of people would be behind that o-line. 

The question is, have we ruined him for good?

Hes always done things like this. Earlier in the game he tossed one up to Crowder I believe that the announcers were gushing over, similar play by Darnold, different outcome.  He's a sand lot / hero ball guy and always has been

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, carlito1171 said:

Except he wasn't...he tried to give Crowder a chance in triple coverage...

Not anyone can say that with total conviction.

That was not a pass, it was a push.

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

It was also raining, maybe it slipped out.  Don’t know if he commented on it.  But if he had been rolling right it would have been much easier to chuck it out of bounds, if that’s what he wanted to do.

Darnold said in the presser he was trying to throw it away.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

DESIGN

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said:

Darnold said in the presser he was trying to throw it away.

Ah, thanks. 

[Losmeister]

hughes  @ atheletic

Understanding that play in the red zone

There’s no defending the vast majority of what took place Sunday, except this: Gase probably deserves a little leniency with the red-zone play call after Ryan Griffin’s overturned touchdown.

The play design called for Robby Anderson to cut in on a slant. Crowder would then loop around in the flat. Anderson would free up Crowder for a walk-in touchdown. But Miami corner Ryan Lewis pressed Anderson at the line and knocked him into Crowder. Instead of Anderson setting a pick for Crowder, he prevented him from running his route. Darnold rolled out, hoping to extend the play. Raekwon McMillan wrapped him up. Darnold threw up a prayer and Jomal Wiltz picked it off.

I saw the Jets run this play a dozen times during training camp. It worked on virtually all of them. They scored on a similar play in the preseason opener against the Giants.

The Jets easily could have run it with Le’Veon Bell. That probably would have been my call. Gase said after the game that they were limited because of personnel groupings. Essentially, if they were going to run, they needed to be in a goal-line set (offensive line problems). They didn’t want to be in goal line because they were worried time would expire.

So the Jets went with the rollout. It wasn’t a bad play call. It was terrible execution and a horrific mistake by Darnold.

[More Cowbell]

7 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

The ball comes out poorly, which makes me believe the throw away scenario.

Darnold has smallish hands and that is what happens in tight quarters with small handed QB's

Please stop 

[ScarletKnight89]

The problem was Darnold was trying to throw the ball away but couldn't get rid of it in time. There was nothing wrong with the play call besides the fact that it was defended well. Darnold needed to get rid of the ball quicker, he waited too long hoping for something to develop, when it didn't he should have just taken the sack instead he tried to quickly throw it away but got hit and the pass floated for an easy INT.

[Losmeister]

Sam is just playing crappy, loser football.

Gifted a 1st on the opposition 18 by shoddy ST tackling and babaybackfoot Sams answer is to throw a

lollipop.

 

 

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, More Cowbell said:

Please stop 

No

[More Cowbell]

The most glaring thing to me is the Mike LB made the play and I believe Darnold was having issues identifying  that in the Pat's game.

[ZachEY]

10 minutes ago, CTM said:

Hes always done things like this. Earlier in the game he tossed one up to Crowder I believe that the announcers were gushing over, similar play bu Darnold, different outcome.  He's a sand lot / hero ball guy and always has been

How this isn’t seen as universal truth at this point is beyond me.  How many of his best plays are you holding your breath and shocked by the outcome?  The Robby Anderson Dallas TD is this years prime example.  Back foot lob that Anderson runs under.  Luck, mostly.

[More Cowbell]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

No

Right, because you have his hand measurements  in reference to other success  NFL QB's and it shows they are significantly  smaller and when you are getting thrown to the ground, QB's with larger hands make better passes. 

[carlito1171]

7 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Darnold said in the presser he was trying to throw it away.

If Darnold said himself he tried to throw it away then I stand corrected. Still not the greatest decision to do so in that situation

[ZachEY]

4 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

The most glaring thing to me is the Mike LB made the play and I believe Darnold was having issues identifying  that in the Pat's game.

Because he doesn’t know how to play quarterback at this level.

[Scott Dierking]

1 minute ago, carlito1171 said:

If Darnold said himself he tried to throw it away then I stand corrected. Still not the greatest decision to do so in that situation

 

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Right, because you have his hand measurements  in reference to other success  NFL QB's and it shows they are significantly  smaller and when you are getting thrown to the ground, QB's with larger hands make better passes. 

I mean, all of that information is readily available at the combine, and hand size is measured in QBs for a reason.

[ZachEY]

Guys, QBs also have to understand when it’s too late to throw the ball away.

Hint: it’s when you’re already falling down.

[dbatesman]

5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Right, because you have his hand measurements  in reference to other success  NFL QB's and it shows they are significantly  smaller and when you are getting thrown to the ground, QB's with larger hands make better passes. 

Yes, all of this is accurate

[Scott Dierking]

5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Right, because you have his hand measurements  in reference to other success  NFL QB's and it shows they are significantly  smaller and when you are getting thrown to the ground, QB's with larger hands make better passes. 

Please stop:

Sam Darnold is widely regarded as a lock to come off the board in the top 10 of the 2018 NFL Draft, but some are concerned about the size of his hands.

https://withthefirstpick.com/2018/02/28/2018-nfl-draft-hand-size-concern-sam-darnold/

[Augustiniak]

Just now, TeddEY said:

Guys, QBs also have to understand when it’s too late to throw the ball away.

Hint: it’s when you’re already falling down.

The problem was that when the blitzer came in, darnold was still rolling out, his body was facing the end zone rather than pointing his left shoulder to throw.  So he avoids the blitzer and tries to throw it away all in one motion and i think the dolphin got a hand on his arm as he was trying to throw it away.  Again if he had been rolling right it would have been way easier to throw.