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46 minutes ago, Maxman said:

There is nothing he could do because he is the guy and he wouldn't do anything terrible. It is a whole circle of QB life thing. If he threw 2 TD and 17 INTs the rest of the way that would be a huge concern. Won't happen, because as previously mentioned he is the guy lol.

Yes, his 6 TD's to 9 INT's is definitely encouraging.  I see where you confidence comes from.

 

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almost all the bad habits Sam had in college he displays on the rgeular in the NFL.

i say almost cos him fumbling the ball away alot has been MOSTLY corrected.

his shoddy footwork and arm throws that are inconsistent remain so.

go look at his game vs Ohio St. The INT/pick6, the missed open Wrs. the bad footwork, peppered in with some very nice throws.

20 INT in last 20 games in NCAA.

24 INT in 18 NFL games....

The idea of Sam being ruined by the current coach- while me not having an iota of loyalty regarding that coach and many many more questions than answers as to whether he could ever be a good HC, and not caring if they DO go and fire his ass...    the idea that Sam was some GEM that teh coach ruined is a myth.

Sam has mechanical issues on a large scale. He ALWAYS panicked when hurried. 

Its more CAN SAM BE FIXED?

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and again, someone compared Namath to Sam...   thats a STFU

"Bill Walsh said Namath's footwork was the best he had ever seen ... "

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also...  from Joe Namath himself...  so you guys can tell Joe that he is a buttfumble.

"“Because there were times that he was backing off throwing the ball when there wasn’t anybody right in his face. And as a former quarterback, you’ve got to catch that, you’ve got to learn that. It’s sometimes … uncontrollable to flinch. Your eyes close when somebody swings at your head or gets in front of your face. But his footwork was at its worst that I have seen it in the two years that — not two years complete, a year and change — throwing the ball, throwing it up for grabs damn near. And that’s high school. I don’t think you can get away with that even in college, high school."

 

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3 hours ago, Maxman said:

Here are my wish list items for the rest of the year. I am going to take wins and losses out of the mix because I don't want to turn this into a tank thread. The Jets have already tanked so that is what it is. The only thing I will say on wins and losses is hopefully Gase doesn't do anything to convince ownership he should come back. Here are my hopes for the rest of the year:

  • Sam Darnold minimizes bad decisions \ turnovers and continues to grow. Want to have him go on a tear so next offseason when we have 99 problems, Sam won't be one.
  • Herndon, Crowder and Robby give us something solid to bank on for next year. A solid nucleus that they can add a # 1 guy to and be legit.
  • We develop some CBs that are keepers, even if it is just for future years depth. Poole has been good. I would expect Trumaine Johnson and Darryl Roberts to both be cut. So the position has to be addressed. Can Hairston or the new kid Bless from Rutgers develop into a long term # 2?
  • The "stars" for next year find a way to contribute a bit and have some success down the stretch: Bell and Mosley.
  • The offensive line finds two guys to keep for next year. Seriously think there needs to be three new bodies in there as starters next year at a minimum. Can Shell \ Edoga be the long term right tackle? Can Alex Lewis start on a good line? Can Harrison be the long term center? Not sure the answer to any of those questions is yes, Alex Lewis might have the best odds of being a starter next year here.

Other thoughts: Ryan Griffin continues to grow so we have a nice 1 - 2 combo at Tight End next year. Jordan Jenkins gets to the QB a bit down the stretch.

Oh and that we know what the Ficken kicker is about before the end of the year. Is he good or not? Hopefully they figure it out before final training camp cuts next year.

And yes, that Gase gets fired.

What are you hoping for other than the season coming to an end?

I'd also like to see my boy Luvu at least be able to be a pass rushing specialist at a backup level. QW to continue to grow and well as Maye at Safety i.e he is good just stay healthy. On O It would be nice to see a little from the RB J. Adams just signed and the new WR Smith who has turned a few heads with running on STs and from scrimmage, maybe he can do some of that after catching from the QB passes. 

Problem with Gase is, though I'll be in the majority here, but with this Oline Lombardi would have struggled. Before the injuries the Online would have been subpar. With the injuries Chuma is just not a starter at LT at this point, Lewis is pretty decent at LG but not great, Harrison would still be considered an Backup at C, Winters is Winters at RG (never was that good), and Shell was benched at one point due to bad performance so do we consider him a legit starter either?. So, digest what I just said where we technically have been running against a tough schedule with 2nd to 3rd stringers at all Oline positions on our team and on other teams many of these guys might not crack the active 46 man game day roster each week. How can we really blame Gase's offense when with that Oline we can never for a half of a game let alone a whole game consistently drive the field against even bad defenses. If I were him that would be my argument to ownership in order to buy another year with a revamped Oline. Sure, everybody says your throwing people under the bus, but if the shoe fits wear it.  Just cause we in this world cover for people who can't get their job done doesn't mean it makes them any better at their job. 

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3 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

Even if he does straighten out, he's going to be a concern. Who thought he was going to be a concern this season?

Me.

And 75% of this board still thinks it's Gase who's ruining him. That's not the problem. The problem is Gase hasn't been able to fix him. Darnold is doing the same things he was doing at USC. Poor mechanics, throwing off the back foot, and making poor decisions.

Everyone here keeps saying "he's only 21, he's only 22, he's only played QB x amount of years..." as if those were advantages for him. Those are hurdles, not advantages. He's young, raw, and still needs to learn an awful lot about playing the position.

At this point he's regressed to the point where he's playing as badly as any QB in the league. How often do QBs who regress like he has ever become elite? Best case right now is he becomes the guy who performs well when everyone and thing around him is perfect. 

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27 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

almost all the bad habits Sam had in college he displays on the rgeular in the NFL.

i say almost cos him fumbling the ball away alot has been MOSTLY corrected.

his shoddy footwork and arm throws that are inconsistent remain so.

go look at his game vs Ohio St. The INT/pick6, the missed open Wrs. the bad footwork, peppered in with some very nice throws.

20 INT in last 20 games in NCAA.

24 INT in 18 NFL games....

The idea of Sam being ruined by the current coach- while me not having an iota of loyalty regarding that coach and many many more questions than answers as to whether he could ever be a good HC, and not caring if they DO go and fire his ass...    the idea that Sam was some GEM that teh coach ruined is a myth.

Sam has mechanical issues on a large scale. He ALWAYS panicked when hurried. 

Its more CAN SAM BE FIXED?

Well lets see if Sam can be a poor man's Favre. Favre also played a lot like this even in Green Bay and he even came to Sam's side when  saying much of these issues get better or corrected over time with experience. The kid just doesn't have enough exp. and the exp. he has is sprinkled between missed games due to foot/mono and with mostly bad Oline play as well as really mediocre weapons. Since Sam has been here name me a weapon that would scare a D?. Take all the time you need now. A mostly injured Eununwa(sp?), Bell who is mostly bottled up since we can't create a hole that a mouse could run through and without that there is no play action or even much of a threat with him out of the backfield. Our best weapon this year would have been TE Herndon who has yet to play. Anderson is only a deep threat and sometimes every now and then catches a sideline pass. He is not spectacular especially on this team since most of his routes require more time than our Oline will provide. Heck they brag about QBs throwing the ball in just over 2 secs. What is the average time our Oline has given Darnold factoring in all plays this year, like 1.6 secs?. That sounds about right and even Brady throwing at 2 secs a pass would never have time.

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1 hour ago, Losmeister said:

almost all the bad habits Sam had in college he displays on the rgeular in the NFL.

i say almost cos him fumbling the ball away alot has been MOSTLY corrected.

his shoddy footwork and arm throws that are inconsistent remain so.

go look at his game vs Ohio St. The INT/pick6, the missed open Wrs. the bad footwork, peppered in with some very nice throws.

20 INT in last 20 games in NCAA.

24 INT in 18 NFL games....

The idea of Sam being ruined by the current coach- while me not having an iota of loyalty regarding that coach and many many more questions than answers as to whether he could ever be a good HC, and not caring if they DO go and fire his ass...    the idea that Sam was some GEM that teh coach ruined is a myth.

Sam has mechanical issues on a large scale. He ALWAYS panicked when hurried. 

Its more CAN SAM BE FIXED?

Didn't realize you posted this minutes before I posted basically the same thing, LOL.

Damn, you're smart though!

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Don't lose hope! The playoffs are still not out of the question at 9-7. One game at a time, keep stacking!

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All that matters down the stretch is Darnold doing enough good things to signal to everyone that he is, in fact,  the long awaited answer at QB for this franchise.  This should literally be the primary, secondary,  and tertiary focus of Gase, JD, the rest of the coaching staff, and ownership, the rest of the way.

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1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

At this point he's regressed to the point where he's playing as badly as any QB in the league.

I getcha, but I'd argue against "regression"

his very 1st NFL pass coulda been a TD...  but his crap technique made him underthrow it.

CAN SAM BE FIXED?

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1 hour ago, Losmeister said:

I getcha, but I'd argue against "regression"

his very 1st NFL pass coulda been a TD...  but his crap technique made him underthrow it.

CAN SAM BE FIXED?

I think his first NFL pass was a pick six against the Lions, no?

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This place is funny 

Lets ignore the 38 pass attempts where he completed 70% and focus on the one terrible play where he was being hit as he attempted to throw it away- after a TD was controversially pulled off the board by the way...

I am not sure any of Darnolds interceptions outside the NE game have been off his back foot... and in all of those he was running away from pressure....

 

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1 hour ago, 14 in Green said:

Didn't realize you posted this minutes before I posted basically the same thing, LOL.

Damn, you're smart though!

jajaja..   thing is? I wish for the Jets to succeed.

My own folly was drinking the SamSavior Kooliad that is purveyed HERE. That's on me.

Now that I see tragic flaws, and now that I go back and research pre-draft anaylyses...

my conclusion was/is that Sam was a rather big gamble who mechanics are poor

 ( I also never believed in Allen or baker, tho i'da stuck @ 6 and drafted Luscious Jackson

or woulda already had Deshaun instead of the Mowf that bored, #33 .)

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Every comment everyone makes in this or any thread should be prefaced with:

" We have the worst Oline in the league ".....possibly the worst ever assembled by any NFL team.....ever!!!!!!!!!!!

  • You cannot evaluate Darnold. 

My wish is that the Oline stops allowing human missiles darting at Sam untouched.........

 

that's my only real wish. BLOCK BETTER SCHEME BETTER

 

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5 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

I would like to see the OL at least be League average for the rest of the year. I doubt it happens but you have to get something out of these guys.

The OL is ranked 30th in both run and pass blocking. You can't get blood out of a stone. These guys stink, they have zero talent but ***somehow*** Gase is supposed to be able to *get* something out of these bums. It's really surprising to me to see the majority of this board blame Gase for Idzik and Macc ignoring the OL for the last six years and blowing just about every draft and FA resulting in a roster that's dead last in NFL level talent. Give Gase and Douglas (who wouldn't be here but for Gase) a chance to fix the team starting next year as nothing can be done this season.

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6 hours ago, Maxman said:

Sanchez just wasn't accurate. Even when he completed a pass it was never right where it needed to be. Sam needs to grow but I really feel good about his future.

To think, he was the number one QB coming out of HS. The entire country, he was number one.  In 2009 2010 he played well enough but yes, his receivers made a LOT of great catches. 

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42 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

The OL is ranked 30th in both run and pass blocking. You can't get blood out of a stone. These guys stink, they have zero talent but ***somehow*** Gase is supposed to be able to *get* something out of these bums. It's really surprising to me to see the majority of this board blame Gase for Idzik and Macc ignoring the OL for the last six years and blowing just about every draft and FA resulting in a roster that's dead last in NFL level talent. Give Gase and Douglas (who wouldn't be here but for Gase) a chance to fix the team starting next year as nothing can be done this season.

Yeah no sh*t pal. You have to want them to get better or Sam is screwed. Gase will most likely be here next year but he does have to shoulder some of the blame. No one is innocent here, no one.

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20 hours ago, section314 said:

Max....good list, but the two I highlighted, to me at least, are the only ones that really matter. Didn't you forget Mater Dei winning a state championship?😎

The only problem with these two, if Darnold is able to improve down the stretch, FO may see that as a sign to keep Gase.  I honestly think that we are going to get one or the other.  Darnold fails to improve, Gase gets fired.  Darnold shines down the stretch, Gase is going to get all the credit.  Pick your poison.

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53 minutes ago, Pcola said:

The only problem with these two, if Darnold is able to improve down the stretch, FO may see that as a sign to keep Gase.  I honestly think that we are going to get one or the other.  Darnold fails to improve, Gase gets fired.  Darnold shines down the stretch, Gase is going to get all the credit.  Pick your poison.

Good points,

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Can the OL please block somebody, anybody?

Sam needs to throw the ball away or take the sack.

Need to see Herndon and Griffin on the field together.

Defense get off the field on 3rd down

Fire Gase.

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