Smashmouth Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I've been seeing this narrative over and over so here's my take. Keep in mind, I'm the guy who is always optimistic about QB's I was about Sanchez and I was about Penny thinking Sanchez would finally "get it" and Penny would overcome his injuries> I was wrong. Sure we ruined the guy who consistently throws off his back foot, sees ghosts, and throws Ints to the other team with no Jets within 10 yards of the Int. If that was not bad enough he's starting to fumble again, not at an alarming rate but he does not seem to have that timer in his head as to when to just throw the ball away. I really never liked Sam but I changed my entire outlook when we drafted him hoping I was wrong about him even though I saw red flags in his mechanics in college along with his propensity for turnovers. I figured, as I always do, give the kid a chance see what he's got .... Turns out My initial opinion was correct. I even figured since he seemed to throw good on the run that might be a thing and it was early on but now it seems he can't even do that well anymore. Once again this could come down to the question that's always brought up about QB's does he have the brain cells to process information at a very fast pace and make the proper decision's ? It's a very rare ability found in ELITE QB's and athleticism does not factor into that equation. Great arm, great feet, big , tall, big hands all mean nothing when it comes to the ability to process information. He's going to go out vs scrub teams that don't pressure him and give every damn one of you false hope just like Sanchez and Smith then play a defense that gives him a little trouble and promptly sh*t the bed. Has Sam had a tough fought game winning drive ? A game he got beat shreds but sucked it up to bring us back ? Nah he's not Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers and he will never come close to that. Some teams actually most teams don't see a QB like that in their entire existences and you know deep down that's what you want. Even if this kid turns it around and figures it out how much do you think he could actually be ? Maybe a middle of the road QB maybe a Andy Dalton ? Forget franchise QB or elite QB, remember you can be a franchise QB for a dumb franchise thats gives you too much time but that does not make you elite by any stretch. I may very well get ripped for this thread but go ahead and change my mind if you can. Me? I'm going with my first instinct with these QB's I don't care if Sam is 22 hes been in this league and alreadt beginning to regress and I'm sorry but great QB's which once again is what we all want NEVER regress, they may have their struggles but regression is not an option. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 More I told you all so. Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 He's not ruined. He's just regressing. That's definitely a concern. The previous GM has ruined the infrastructure of the team (O-Line) and the present coach isn't very good at his job. It's a combination of coaching, and poor talent. I still think Darnold is fine in the long run but this is a critical off season coming up. Darnold was improving steadily under Bowles lol. That shows how bad Gase has been. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ohhthepain Posted November 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2019 Not yet, but the Jets are doing everything in their power to do so. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Maybe we did. Or maybe sam is any good anymore. Or maybe sam will look better with a better oline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 We didn’t and I didn’t but the coaching staff is definitely doing a good job of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 The Jets have not helped him, that's for sure, Bowles should not have been his coach to start (he had a history of going with the old vet) and not investing in Offensive Line before and after making that investment in a QB draft pick is criminal Feels like Gase needs players to fit his scheme to be any good and I don't think Sam can wait that long - Jeremy Bates had better results after hiking in the woods for a few years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HawkeyeJet Posted November 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 10, 2019 I'm sure there are some great points in that incredibly long post. Everyone who replies should quote it and see if we can make it take 30 minutes to scroll through the first page. I don't think the Jets ruined Sam. I don't think he's to a point of no return. I do think the Jets have put him in a position where his bad habits have gotten worse. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 If I'm honest I wanted Rosen .. but was thrilled with the Darnold selection assuming with good coaching his bad habits from college could be fixed. He was so young I thought it was a great selection. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 To me, he’s been one of the most talented QB’s to come out of college in the last decade. He’s in the same talent group as Luck and Wentz. We are dangerously close to ruining him. When a QB gets shell shocked and their brain automatically fears the rush from so much early abuse as a young QB, its all over. I’ve yet to see a QB recover from that...once they get there. This is not all OL. Dan Orlovsky went over it in great detail how Gase’s play designs and calling are predictable and leaving Darnold out to dry, under a bad OL. Gase isn’t adapting. NO QB under this situation could succeed. Darnold isn’t completely shot yet, but he’s definitely getting there. At the end of last year he had good footwork, pocket presence, confidence, fixed the turn overs, the whole package. I even suggested keeping Bates as his QB coach after last year because he did such a great job with Darnold’s mechanics. He just wasn’t cut out to be a play caller. I said the mere presence of Loggains will be a detriment to Sam. I was told he had no influence and Gase would have it all covered. Regardless of how good the HC or OC is you still need good position coaches, especially with a young QB. But...oh by the way our HC/OC SUCKS. Another year of this and we might as well just draft a new QB, because Darnold will be shot... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 At the end of last season, after four games, he was a savior. After three bad games, he's a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Willie Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Absolutely, unequivocally ... YES!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said: To me, he’s been one of the most talented QB’s to come out of college in the last decade. He’s in the same talent group as Luck and Wentz. Only jet fans think this. This is 100% false. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Did We Ruin Sam ? UH YES!! We brought him back to early from his MONO illness WITH // awful LINE AND RECEIVERS Oops I forgot the coach is Way over his HEAD. DUH 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonaldJet Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I almost think the best shot Sam has is to suffer a season ending injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Not yet the footwork has to get better and the decisions have to get better it has to be eliminated before it becomes permanent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I get a laugh from the guys who went from anointing Sam as a savior to "the Jets are ruining him". This is who he was all along. The "he's only 21" and "only played QB a few years" comments were hysterical to me. Those weren't positives, they were obstacles he had to overcome. He came out before he was ready, and he is woefully lacking the fundamentals needed to be an elite QB. If you took emotion out of it from the start, you could see before the first Miami game last year he was exactly the same guy he was at USC. Poor mechanics , bad decision making and turnover prone with the occasional flash of talent. That first Miami game confirmed it for me, and although I was the first here to say it, and took hell for it, a lot more people are starting to now see what I saw. The difference is they're still making excuses for him, and their heart won't let them admit what they're eyes are seeing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet hustle Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Who knows. Bottom line, Darnold BLOWS .... but, when he has an average to below average game today against the attrocious giants D, i can almost guarentee all the apologists will be parading around this message board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: I get a laugh from the guys who went from anointing Sam as a savior to "the Jets are ruining him". This is who he was all along. The "he's only 21" and "only played QB a few years" comments were hysterical to me. Those weren't positives, they were obstacles he had to overcome. He came out before he was ready, and he is woefully lacking the fundamentals needed to be an elite QB. If you took emotion out of it from the start, you could see before the first Miami game last year he was exactly the same guy he was at USC. Poor mechanics , bad decision making and turnover prone with the occasional flash of talent. That first Miami game confirmed it for me, and although I was the first here to say it, and took hell for it, a lot more people are starting to now see what I saw. The difference is they're still making excuses for him, and their heart won't let them admit what they're eyes are seeing. Yup. I remember watching his first game the year after the rose bowl. Was pumped w/ anticipation that the jets might get this guy. After a few drives, you could tell he wasnt a big time talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Only jet fans think this. This is 100% false. Definitely not only Jets fans. And this is an opinion, making something “false” to be completely irrelevant to the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jet hustle said: Who knows. Bottom line, Darnold BLOWS .... but, when he has an average to below average game today against the attrocious giants D, i can almost guarentee all the apologists will be parading around this message board So are you setting yourself up an in-house excuse for a good game if he has one today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Im sure the next QB we draft will be better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Yup. I remember watching his first game the year after the rose bowl. Was pumped w/ anticipation that the jets might get this guy. After a few drives, you could tell he wasnt a big time talent. Anyone that bases any opinion of any football player, at any position, based on a "couple of drives", ought to really consider whether they are qualified to comment on football players talent at all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: So are you setting yourself up an in-house excuse for a good game if he has one today? please god please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark78 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 22 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Nope. In Jets Land, there are two options for two scenarios. Wins/Losses: 1) Jets Win 2) Jets came out flat/unprepared Talent: 1) Very Good/Elite 2) Ruined by coaching You see, the Jets have never really been beaten, nor made a bad draft pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 This place is insane Its been THREE games since he returned vs Dallas and looked like the MVP In 2 of those 3 games he’s completed 70% of his passes and thrown for 250+ yards you are letting a media narrative of “regression” cloud what is actually happening you are letting one play cloud an entire body of work. Darnold threw the ball 39 times and completed 70%, had 2 TDs but one was incorrectly overturned which led to a dumb pick as he was trying to throw it away (by the way a blind side free rusher caused the pick). In mean it’s unbelievable how fickle some of you are. We’ve got a 22 year old QB, who just came back from mono, trying to pull this entire franchise from the grave. We all agree that this the WORST OL we have EVER seen... Did you not see how this team “functioned” with Falk/Simien? The fact that the Jets are competitive is proof positive that Darnold is a special player. If you exclude the NE game and extrapolate his performance through 16 a games.. Darnold season looks Ike: 4000 yards 70% comp 24 TDs 20 Ints 90 rating With THIS ******* team around him? That’s borderline miraculous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I swear, some people just sit and pray that our players fail so they can say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" It is the strangest thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonaldJet Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, TeddEY said: Nope. In Jets Land, there are two options for two scenarios. Wins/Losses: 1) Jets Win 2) Jets came out flat/unprepared Talent: 1) Very Good/Elite 2) Ruined by coaching You see, the Jets have never really been beaten, nor made a bad draft pick. Jets fans want to have a franchise QB incredibly badly. There is a lot of blind faith with Sam the same way there was with Sanchez and even Geno. Heck! I knew some fans who were sold at one point on Bryce Petty. The book has not closed on Sams Jet career yet, but over the past three weeks I’ve come to grips with the reality that he’s probably not going to be the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: So are you setting yourself up an in-house excuse for a good game if he has one today? You weren't talking to me here, but I think this is the perfect opportunity for Darnold to get a good game under his belt. I predicted in the game thread he'd have a 300+ yard 3 TD day. That's how beat up and bad the Giants defense is. I predicted a 34-27 Jets win, but with two teams as bad as these, that's just throwing darts. Who knows? The one thing I think we can safely assume is both these young QBs should be able to put up some big numbers against undermanned defenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said: He's not ruined. He's just regressing. That's definitely a concern. The previous GM has ruined the infrastructure of the team (O-Line) and the present coach isn't very good at his job. It's a combination of coaching, and poor talent. I still think Darnold is fine in the long run but this is a critical off season coming up. Darnold was improving steadily under Bowles lol. That shows how bad Gase has been. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. If he is as strong mentally as he appears to be he will overcome this and persevere. That goes for all of us in any profession. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Take your pick of any young qb you wish, go ahead take your pick. Put him behind this oline with our so so Wrs with a coach who is as utterly terrible as this one and he will be labelled a bust. I mean his 1st year he had a guy who literally could not snap the football. The center they get this year is garbage. Guys come free 2/3 of the pass plays untouched due to awful personnel or gross formations or play calls. No, far too early to write him off but Douglas better have a miraculous next off season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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