NYJ pass defense the last three games

[RonaldJet]

Gardner Minshew, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Daniel Jones

72/110 (65%) 875 yds 10 TDS 0 INT

Pickup Case Keenum in your fantasy leagues. 

[T0mShane]

[Augustiniak]

1 minute ago, RonaldJet said:

Gardner Minshew, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Daniel Jones

72/110 (65%) 875 yds 10 TDS 0 INT

Pickup Case Keenum in your fantasy leagues. 

this is why i'm not gushing over what jones did yesterday.  dinked it and the wrs ran it for tds.  

[Jetster]

9 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Gardner Minshew, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Daniel Jones

72/110 (65%) 875 yds 10 TDS 0 INT

Pickup Case Keenum in your fantasy leagues. 

That’s insane! Thank god for Trumaine...wait wut?

Daryl Roberts would have helped ?

[Jetsfan80]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

Best Safety duo in the NFL.....sliced and diced by passes over the middle all game long by a rookie QB, on a day where Saquon Barkley did nothing.  

[joewilly12]

13 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Gardner Minshew, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Daniel Jones

72/110 (65%) 875 yds 10 TDS 0 INT

Pickup Case Keenum in your fantasy leagues. 

 

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ghosts at the CB position and no pass rush thats about right. 

[UntouchableCrew]

10 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

this is why i'm not gushing over what jones did yesterday.  dinked it and the wrs ran it for tds.  

It was largely the same for Minshew too, who had short throws where we missed tackles and were out of position.

Part of it is just that we're blitzing a lot and playing a lot of Cover 1 or Cover 0 so it's a gamble... That and we're starting backup OLBs at MLB and DBs we signed on Wednesday.

It was absurd that the Giants kept trying to establish the run, though. Saquon had 13 carries for 1 yard... Every time they chose to run it was a victory for us.

[Mark78]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Best Safety duo in the NFL.....sliced and diced by passes over the middle all game long, on a day where Saquon Barkley did nothing.  

Maye had bad game yesterday...maybe another injury?

[chirorob]

1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said:

It was largely the same for Minshew too, who had short throws where we missed tackles and were out of position.

Part of it is just that we're blitzing a lot and playing a lot of Cover 1 or Cover 0 so it's a gamble... That and we're starting backup OLBs at MLB and DBs we signed on Wednesday.

It was absurd that the Giants kept trying to establish the run, though. Saquon had 13 carries for 1 yard... Every time they chose to run it was a victory for us.

Literally no corners, no ILB, any decent QB will carve that up.

[joewilly12]

14 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Football PhD....

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, UntouchableCrew said:

It was absurd that the Giants kept trying to establish the run, though. Saquon had 13 carries for 1 yard... Every time they chose to run it was a victory for us.

You don't draft a RB # 2 overall, and thus immediately make him one of the top 6 highest paid at his position, and then not feed him the ball as much as possible.

Drafting a RB # 2 overall when you're a non-contending team is about as dumb as spending big on a free agent RB when your O-Line blows.  Good thing we don't do stuff like that.  

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Mark78 said:

Maye had bad game yesterday...maybe another injury?

Maye-be. 

[UntouchableCrew]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You don't draft a RB # 2 overall, and thus immediately make him one of the top 6 highest paid at his position, and then not feed him the ball as much as possible.

Drafting a RB # 2 overall when you're a non-contending team is about as dumb as spending big on a free agent RB when your O-Line blows.  Good thing we don't do stuff like that.  

I mean, yesterday was a textbook case study in why you don't do that. 

Bell and Barkley are two of the best in the league at their respective position and both were totally ineffective non-entities.

The guys you invest in are the guys that make everyone else better -- on offense that's QBs and o-line. If you have a good QB and a good o-line JAG RBs and receivers are fine, frankly. It's nice to have a Leveon Bell but it's a luxury.

[jetstream23]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

Keep posting pics of our best linebacker, baby!  I love it.   

 

[drsamuel84]

I was at the game yesterday and Nate Hairston was a disaster.  He was either holding or falling down, costs us at least a TD probably two.  Things got much better when Bless Austin went in there.  Could be a promising piece if he can stay healthy.

[New York Mick]

On 11/11/2019 at 12:36 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Best Safety duo in the NFL.....sliced and diced by passes over the middle all game long by a rookie QB, on a day where Saquon Barkley did nothing.  

Adams was one of the reason Barkley didn’t do anything, he was eating his lunch. He’s only one player he can’t do anything. His job was to contain Barkley, job done. 
Even with 6 sacks, a ton of pressures and no running game the CBs still gave up 4 TDs, they suck. 

[Jetsfan80]

4 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Adams was one of the reason Barkley didn’t so anything, he was eating his lunch. He’s only one player he can’t do anything. His job was to contain Barkley, job done. 

 

So Jamal is a Linebacker then.  Let's stop calling him a Safety.  Because if he's a Safety, it's not "job done" if all you're asking him to do is help stop the run.  

Also, the DL had a big role to play in bottling up Barkley.  I believe there are several threads popping up talking up guys like Shepherd, Fatukaski, etc.  

[rangerous]

7 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Adams was one of the reason Barkley didn’t so anything, he was eating his lunch. He’s only one player he can’t do anything. His job was to contain Barkley, job done. 
Even with 6 sacks, a ton of pressures and no running game the CBs still gave up 4 TDs, they suck. 

at least one of those td's was clearly on misplaying the screen pass.  the defender was supposed to set the corner but got out of position.

 

give jones some credit.  the jets have bad corner play and he took advantage.

[New York Mick]

10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

So Jamal is a Linebacker then.  Let's stop calling him a Safety.  Because if he's a Safety, it's not "job done" if all you're asking him to do is help stop the run.  

Also, the DL had a big role to play in bottling up Barkley.  I believe there are several threads popping up talking up guys like Shepherd, Fatukaski, etc.  

His job is whatever he is asked to do. Steve Atwater made a career out of it. 

[JustInFudge]

Not a single pass rusher on the team, not a single roster worthy CB on the team, street UDFA's at LB.  If it werent for the tremendous play of 1 particular safety, this defense would wouldnt have a single NFL caliber player taking the field on Sundays.

God bless Pres Mal! 

[Beerfish]

This the issue, not just now but long term.

Adams had a great game yesterday but in my mind you are sacrificing too much by having to or choosing to use players in this way.

We have no CBs and no pass rushers.  We can;t be using a safety as a pass rusher or run stopper all the time because it leaves you exposed in other areas.  You can't give safety help to CBs when you need to.

I am still on the trade Adams band wagon as much as ever even after a great game last night because we need CBs, pass rushers oline and wrs far more than a pass rushing run stopping safety that leaves other areas of your defense exposed.

Hey adams looks great making these plays as we watch our bad corners get eviscerated and watch other teams kill us with under neath routes.

I also think he is going to be an issue when it comes closer to contract time.

His value is at an all time high.  Trade him now and address two other positions in the draft.

[chirorob]

21 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

His job is whatever he is asked to do. Steve Atwater made a career out of it. 

So did Troy Palamalu.

I'm not saying Adams is Troy, but you have 1 good player in the back 4 (or 5 in nickel).   Maybe getting rid of that one player isn't the answer.

[Jetsfan80]

22 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

His job is whatever he is asked to do. Steve Atwater made a career out of it. 

Not really.  He freelances at the LOS all the time.  And sometimes the team gets burned as a result.  He mostly does whatever he wants, whether it helps the team or not.  

[New York Mick]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Not really.  He freelances at the LOS all the time.  And sometimes the team gets burned as a result.  He does whatever he wants, whether it helps the team or not.  

That’s what he’s told to do

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, New York Mick said:

That’s what he’s told to do

Is it now.  Didn't he get benched earlier in the season, late in a game, for stat-padding?

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not really.  He freelances at the LOS all the time.  And sometimes the team gets burned as a result.  He mostly does whatever he wants, whether it helps the team or not.  

He is not calling the defensive plays, he is doing whatever the D coordinator tells him to do. He is doing a helluva a job. 

[Hael]

Adams has a cap hit of ~7 million dollars in 2020 making him one of the highest paid safeties in the league and is in the final year of his rookie contract, unless we resign him to a 5th.   He has a dead money cap hit of 3.6 million in 2020.

If we traded him for a pick, a middle of the pack starting caliber S in FA is roughly 4 million per yr (maybe we get that for 5-6 Mil in FA b/c contracts are always inflated).  So you'd actually lose about 1.6-2.6 million in cap space from that operation.

B/c we are going to be so cap strapped trying to resign everyone, i'm not sure if our GM will pull the trigger on any such deal.  If he did, it might come midseason to lesson the cap hit.

 

 

[New York Mick]

7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Is it now.  Didn't he get benched earlier in the season, late in a game, for stat-padding?

No. He get sat for losing his temper and getting a penalty. They were just calming him down. 

[Lith]

31 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

This the issue, not just now but long term.

Adams had a great game yesterday but in my mind you are sacrificing too much by having to or choosing to use players in this way.

We have no CBs and no pass rushers.  We can;t be using a safety as a pass rusher or run stopper all the time because it leaves you exposed in other areas.  You can't give safety help to CBs when you need to.

I am still on the trade Adams band wagon as much as ever even after a great game last night because we need CBs, pass rushers oline and wrs far more than a pass rushing run stopping safety that leaves other areas of your defense exposed.

Hey adams looks great making these plays as we watch our bad corners get eviscerated and watch other teams kill us with under neath routes.

I also think he is going to be an issue when it comes closer to contract time.

His value is at an all time high.  Trade him now and address two other positions in the draft.

Then lets hope he has more games like yesterday and drives up that trade value.

[JetFaninMI]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

STILL CAN'T COVER.

[joewilly12]

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[joewilly12]

 

[New York Mick]

3 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

You could do that with every player in the NFL. At least he’s trying to make plays on a sh*t team

[nycdan]

46 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

This the issue, not just now but long term.

Adams had a great game yesterday but in my mind you are sacrificing too much by having to or choosing to use players in this way.

We have no CBs and no pass rushers.  We can;t be using a safety as a pass rusher or run stopper all the time because it leaves you exposed in other areas.  You can't give safety help to CBs when you need to.

I am still on the trade Adams band wagon as much as ever even after a great game last night because we need CBs, pass rushers oline and wrs far more than a pass rushing run stopping safety that leaves other areas of your defense exposed.

Hey adams looks great making these plays as we watch our bad corners get eviscerated and watch other teams kill us with under neath routes.

I also think he is going to be an issue when it comes closer to contract time.

His value is at an all time high.  Trade him now and address two other positions in the draft.

You are assuming that the only way to get a quality CB in here is to trade Adams.  I don't buy that.  I think between the draft and FA, if we can add one above-average CB and get some improvement on the pass rush at one position, the whole defense becomes materially better.  We have a lot of young players who show some potential.  What we need are 2-3 stars.  So I don't think trading the only star we do have is a step in the right direction.  Jamal on a team with a little more talent around him would be even more of a game changer.  So let's get that talent the old fashioned way.

Just my opinion.  YMMV.

[Larz]

Bless is gonna shut that sh*t down