King P Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: If Watt did that to Murray you’d be calling for him to be banned from the NFL and hitting someone is assault, insulting someone isn’t. Your street rules don’t stand up in court and your attitude about it explains why a lot of young people end up in jail for stupid sh*t. Maybe you should have thicker skin. Wrong. I'd be saying the same thing if Murray was trying to rip off Watt's helmet and kicked him in the ground. "Maybe you should have thicker skin" aka "why won't you let me say whatever I want unchecked!" Of course you'd feel that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, King P said: Wrong. I'd be saying the same thing if Murray was trying to rip off Watt's helmet and kicked him in the ground. "Maybe you should have thicker skin" aka "why won't you let me say whatever I want unchecked!" Of course you'd feel that way Because it’s your pattern of views just like mine just on opposite side of most things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, New York Mick said: If Watt did that to Murray you’d be calling for him to be banned from the NFL and hitting someone is assault, insulting someone isn’t. Your street rules don’t stand up in court and your attitude about it explains why a lot of young people end up in jail for stupid sh*t. Maybe you should have thicker skin. You poke the bull you get the horns. Garrett has no defence whatsoever and will be suspended quite rightfully but the most embarrassing thing of this whole ordeal was Rudolph turning to the refs like a rat after doing everything he could to provoke a man who could kill him with his bare hands. Bitch move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbudiarjo Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: You poke the bull you get the horns. Garrett has no defence whatsoever and will be suspended quite rightfully but the most embarrassing thing of this whole ordeal was Rudolph turning to the refs like a rat after doing everything he could to provoke a man who could kill him with his bare hands. Bitch move. does Rudolph get fined for starting it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The "he was provoked" thing is weak. People provoke me at work on a daily basis. If I grab something heavy and club them on the head, I get fired and probably go to jail. Was Rudolph out of line? Yes, and he will probably get fined for it. But what Garrett did is completely disproportionate. He was so far over the line, he can't even see the line. He needs to be suspended for a long time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The Garrett suspension is easy. The bigger question is pouncey he punched and then kicked Garrett in the head while he was restrained on the ground.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: Great tactic for winning a game, knock out the other team's top two receivers. The Garrett thing just cemented it. I've never seen a team go from pathetic to hateable as fast as the Browns. Agreed, Garrett was definitely making a strategic move to take out the other team's qb to ensure the steelers couldn't (checks notes) score two TDs in 8 seconds to tie the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, mrcoops said: The "he was provoked" thing is weak. People provoke me at work on a daily basis. If I grab something heavy and club them on the head, I get fired and probably go to jail. Was Rudolph out of line? Yes, and he will probably get fined for it. But what Garrett did is completely disproportionate. He was so far over the line, he can't even see the line. He needs to be suspended for a long time. That’s not the way it works in America. You have to pamper and treat certain people with baby gloves because it’s and agenda that’s been pushed for the last 20 years and it’s gotten out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: The Garrett suspension is easy. The bigger question is pouncey he punched and then kicked Garrett in the head while he was restrained on the ground.. Gone at least 1 game, probably multiple. Ogunjobi then came in and blasted Rudolph from behind while Rudolph was just standing there. Also gonna get a game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: The Garrett suspension is easy. The bigger question is pouncey he punched and then kicked Garrett in the head while he was restrained on the ground.. Pouncey should get one game. Kicking somebody in the head or punching somebody in the head while they’re wearing a helmet is going to basically hurt the person doing it unlike hitting somebody with a helmet that isn’t wearing one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Garrett suspended rest of the year and first 4 games of next season. That would be what I would do if I was the commish. Pouncey should get a game for the retaliation Rudolph should get life for being a B!tch. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 5 hours ago, King P said: You can't be serious. This is why I don't take most of y'all seriously because most of you guys are soft as baby doo doo. And yet have the nerve to call others "snowflakes". Let me break it down for you... Everything in this world is not "equal" or "fair". Sometimes when you set off a chain of events, you will get more then you bargained for. You don't get to start something and then dictate how it ends. For example, if you say something disrespectful or derogatory towards me, and then I slap you, you're not allowed to say "what I said didn't physical violence. That's not up you. When you incite someone, what happens afterwards is out of your hands. You are no longer in control of how the situation plays out. You either need to accept that, or just not start something that you can't finish. Myles took it too far, but Rudolph incited him and he should be be able to be painted as the victim. He should have not started it, or just accept that whatever happens to him afterwards. And you guys need to do the same. "You want it to be one way, but it's the other way!" Congrats on your guilty verdict and i how you make good use of your three to five years of upcoming free time. Seriously, this defense and $5 will get you a donut at the prison commissary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: Congrats on your guilty verdict and i how you make good use of your three to five years of upcoming free time. Seriously, this defense and $5 will get you a donut at the prison commissary I mean, it’s a damned hard defense to use but Fighting Words is most definitely a thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, cbudiarjo said: does Rudolph get fined for starting it all? Maybe not. I will mostly all fall on Garrett – I suspect Pouncey may even get reduced suspension given the circumstances. Normally trying to punt a grounded opponents head off would be the headline. For the league it’s all about the look of having a lineman swinging a weapon at an exposed QB on a televised game. Pretty much everything they want to avoid. If the QB had been Brady Garrett would probably be arrested and deported. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, mrcoops said: The "he was provoked" thing is weak. People provoke me at work on a daily basis. If I grab something heavy and club them on the head, I get fired and probably go to jail. Was Rudolph out of line? Yes, and he will probably get fined for it. But what Garrett did is completely disproportionate. He was so far over the line, he can't even see the line. He needs to be suspended for a long time. Depends what they did to provoke you. If someone grabbed or hit you in the balls I'd like to think they'd be fired too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Show me one high profile NfL person that has said Garret shouldn’t get at least a season ban. The consensus is now a 16 game suspension. what haynesworth got 10 years ago is absolutely irrelevant. Burfict just got suspended 16 games for what I thought was a legal hit. kareem Hunt was cut for a video in which he shoved a woman. this was on national TV. He hit hit a human full force with an object hard enough to kill. A lifetime ban is in the cards. if you don’t think his punishment starts at 16 games you are delusional 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 hours ago, PS17 said: What Haynesworth did was significantly worse, IMO. Mostly because Garret missed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, cbudiarjo said: does Rudolph get fined for starting it all? The late hit started it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: The late hit started it Yup Garrwr hit Rudolph late, suplexed him into the ground, and held him down- with 10 seconds left in the game this isn’t recess- “who started it” doesn’t matter when the actions of someone escalate to attempted murder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Didn't get to watch the game last night, did I miss anything good? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 55 minutes ago, cbudiarjo said: does Rudolph get fined for starting it all? Did you even see it? Rudolph didn’t start it, grab his balls or face mask like some have said. Garrett started it and kept going. 65 is getting fined/suspended as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Depends what they did to provoke you. If someone grabbed or hit you in the balls I'd like to think they'd be fired too. Depends on the state more than anything. If we’re in Washington or California, for example, and you’re provoking me to a certain extent you may have just conceded to Mutual Combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Doggin94it said: Congrats on your guilty verdict and i how you make good use of your three to five years of upcoming free time. Seriously, this defense and $5 will get you a donut at the prison commissary 1) Ever heard of the fighting words doctrine? You can't just say anything that could insight someone. Either way, you should be cognizant of the fact that some people don't care about the consequences and will risk whatever. They don't care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, King P said: 1) Ever heard of the fighting words doctrine? You can't just say anything that could insight someone. Either way, you should be cognizant of the fact that some people don't care about the consequences and will risk whatever. They don't care Well the doctrine itself is a Free Speech thing with respect to 1st Amendment rights, not self-defense. That said the concept of Fighting Words is present in other ways in state and local laws. Georgia, for instance, has incorporated it in a bunch of different ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, cbudiarjo said: does Rudolph get fined for starting it all? Instigating is an unsportsmanlike penalty. Hitting someone with a helmet is assault and battery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The thing that got to me was Mayfield's reaction. He was completely non plussed. He knew that it had crossed the line from sports entertainment into a f-ing bar brawl. His comments weren't just about Garrett. They were about the Browns in general. Must be a wonderful professional environment to play in. Garrett had some late hits against us that I kind of questioned the motive, The guy plays with an edge. And I knew Williams had pissed him off and he wanted to make a statement. He is an amazing player and sometimes things get hot in the heat of the moment. But that was insane. The NFL protects it's brand as hard as the NBA does. The off the field stuff violence they effectively discipline about as well as a corrupt third world magistrate. But anything that happens on the field the whole world sees... and that they take very seriously. Myles Garrett is not going to play football for a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Depends on the state more than anything. If we’re in Washington or California, for example, and you’re provoking me to a certain extent you may have just conceded to Mutual Combat. The Irish live in a perpetual state of Mutual Combat. That’s why we’re a geopolitical superpower. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The Irish live in a perpetual state of Mutual Combat. That’s why we’re a geopolitical superpower. For what it’s worth I’m proud of you for getting the capitalization right, Tom. Good job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, Y3k said: Show me one high profile NfL person that has said Garret shouldn’t get at least a season ban. The consensus is now a 16 game suspension. what haynesworth got 10 years ago is absolutely irrelevant. Burfict just got suspended 16 games for what I thought was a legal hit. kareem Hunt was cut for a video in which he shoved a woman. this was on national TV. He hit hit a human full force with an object hard enough to kill. A lifetime ban is in the cards. if you don’t think his punishment starts at 16 games you are delusional relax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 He should be perma banned and he should be charged for assault with a deadly weapon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: relax What do you think the punishment will be? I’ll bet you anything that it’s minimum 16 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Y3k said: What do you think the punishment will be? I’ll bet you anything that it’s minimum 16 games 6 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Just now, Y3k said: What do you think the punishment will be? I’ll bet you anything that it’s minimum 16 games 8 games and a huge fine. On a side note Rudolph’s agent is talking legal (civil) action. I’m not sure if they have a case because he can still play and wasn’t injured. The legal system should stay out of it and let the NFL deal with it. The last thing sports needs is lawyers and judges involved with fights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Doggin94it said: Agreed, Garrett was definitely making a strategic move to take out the other team's qb to ensure the steelers couldn't (checks notes) score two TDs in 8 seconds to tie the game Is English your first language? Perhaps I should have led with the first thought, but still, dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: 6 games lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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