The non-controversial, not-the-place-to-snowflake, Jets are doing their due diligence on Kaepernick thread

[T0mShane]

I know this thread will be locked in roughly two hours because of snowflake implosion, but I think the Jets committing this level of due diligence to Kaepernick is a huge story. I’d imagine the math comes down to the net fiscal loss of Angry Ronalds from Poughquag vs. the nine billion Jets Kaepernick jerseys that would be sold all over the planet within the first 24 hours. 
 

 

[Barry McCockinner]

No brainer to sign this guy and upgrade the QB depth chart. I think he'd be a really good fit for Baltimore.

[CTM]

16 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I know this thread will be locked in roughly two hours because of snowflake implosion, but I think the Jets committing this level of due diligence to Kaepernick is a huge story. I’d imagine the math comes down to the net fiscal loss of Angry Ronalds from Poughquag vs. the nine billion Jets Kaepernick jerseys that would be sold all over the planet within the first 24 hours. 
 

 

the snowflakes protesting vs the snowflakes buying the Jersey to virtue signal but never spending another dime on the Jets. Tough call. How about we catapult the entirity of both groups into the sun?

From a football perspecitve it make sense to kick the tires here, I liked him back in college and he had some pro success. Don't care about his politics.

The issue here is that he's going to want to occupy more cap space then his on the field talent deserves, precisely because he has the army of snowflakes behind him

[Scott Dierking]

I am sure attendance was a "favor" to the league. maybe they even get reimbursed.

Unfortunately, although Kap reportedly performed well, it looks like he is purposely sabotaging his own career, and seemingly must be ok with that.

Not everyone has to want to play football. The league got what they needed out of this, and I am presuming Kap did as well.

[TJ]

This thread will not last two hours.

[section314]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I am sure attendance was a "favor" to the league. maybe they even get reimbursed.

Unfortunately, although Kap reportedly performed well, it looks like he is purposely sabotaging his own career, and seemingly must be ok with that.

Not everyone has to want to play football. The league got what they needed out of this, and I am presuming Kap did as well.

Well said.

[TuscanyTile2]

He'd be a waste of Kaep space for us.  Bah dum dum!

[greenwave81]

Kaepernick is his own worst enemy and toxic to any billion $ NFL franchise. I’m not even sure he wants to play football anymore...I think he just wanted a platform to perform some practice throws, so when he continues to be ignored by NFL franchises (which he will be IMO) he can continue his current gig of ‘I’m being suppressed’. 

[CTM]

Just now, greenwave81 said:

Kaepernick is his own worst enemy and toxic to any billion $ NFL franchise. I’m not even sure he wants to play football anymore...I think he just wanted a platform to perform some practice throws, so when he continues to be ignored by NFL franchises (which he will be IMO) he can continue his current gig of ‘I’m being suppressed’. 

It's a good  and smart business move either way. 

[greenwave81]

Just now, CTM said:

It's a good  and smart business move either way. 

Yup. 

[section314]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

He'd be a waste of Kaep space for us.  Bah dum dum!

Are you here all week??

[Villain The Foe]

6 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

Kaepernick is his own worst enemy and toxic to any billion $ NFL franchise. I’m not even sure he wants to play football anymore...I think he just wanted a platform to perform some practice throws, so when he continues to be ignored by NFL franchises (which he will be IMO) he can continue his current gig of ‘I’m being suppressed’. 

I doubt this. Generally speaking, this  "He's toxic" stems from the fact that the player may want to move on but folks that want this toxic environment makes sure to make it an ongoing thing. 

Think about it, Kaep "settled" with the NFL, which means that there were things negotiated and agreed upon. If Kaep is signed by someone, I promise you, the only folks making this a toxic situation will be the media and fans.

 

[jetstream23]

If nobody decides to sign him, which is the rightful decision of every NFL team, I just hope we don't have to continue hearing about him.  His saga has gone on long enough.  He's delivered his message and he looks talented enough to be on the roster of several NFL teams, but if they don't want him because he'll be an unnecessary distraction then that's their decision.  The Raiders decided a very talented Antonio Brown wasn't worth the headache.  I think that's the decision teams are mulling over.

[Gastineau Lives]

20 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I know this thread will be locked in roughly two hours because of snowflake implosion, but I think the Jets committing this level of due diligence to Kaepernick is a huge story. I’d imagine the math comes down to the net fiscal loss of Angry Ronalds from Poughquag vs. the nine billion Jets Kaepernick jerseys that would be sold all over the planet within the first 24 hours. 
 

 

How to get this thread shut down without getting banned...

[BurnleyJet]

Love to play Kap behind our line..

[ECURB]

Did he say whether he will continue to kneel? Without the distraction of that he could slide right back in.

[T0mShane]

Just now, Villain The Foe said:

I doubt this. Many times this "He's toxic" stems from the fact that the player wants to move on but the folks that want this toxic environment makes sure to make it a continuous thing. 

Think about it, Kaep "settled" with the NFL, which means that there were things negotiated and agreed upon. If Kaep is signed by someone, I promise you, the only folks making this a toxic situation are the media and fans. 

I always find it interesting that the people who claim Kaepernick wants to stay at war with the league never actually produce a quote where Kaepernick even implies he wants to be at war with the league. I saw a prevalent take yesterday where Kaepernick was criticized for moving the workout after the league was going to restrict media access as “here we go again,” but can you blame him? The league then released a statement implying that they were doing Kaepernick a tremendous favor with the workout, then later released four blind quotes from “scouts” saying his arm was fine, his accuracy was bad, and that he’s, at best, a backup. Kaepernick was supposed to trust Roger Goodell to disseminate an objective report card on the workout? The same guy who literally burned evidence of the Patriots stealing Super Bowls?

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, ECURB said:

Did he say whether he will continue to kneel? Without the distraction of that he could slide right back in.

That’s the tough part, I’d imagine: on the one hand, as an owner, I’d want that assurance. On the other hand, I wouldn’t expect Kaepernick to concede to that demand. 

[section314]

For what it's worth, Stephen A. Smith had an interesting take on all this. He believes that Kaep doesn't want to play, he just wants to be a martyr.

[The Crusher]

32 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I know this thread will be locked in roughly two hours because of snowflake implosion, but I think the Jets committing this level of due diligence to Kaepernick is a huge story. I’d imagine the math comes down to the net fiscal loss of Angry Ronalds from Poughquag vs. the nine billion Jets Kaepernick jerseys that would be sold all over the planet within the first 24 hours. 
 

 

Haha . That’s exactly how long it took Max to lock his own thread in the subject.
 

 

[Scott Dierking]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I always find it interesting that the people who claim Kaepernick wants to stay at war with the league never actually produce a quote where Kaepernick even implies he wants to be at war with the league. I saw a prevalent take yesterday where Kaepernick was criticized for moving the workout after the league was going to restrict media access as “here we go again,” but can you blame him? The league then released a statement implying that they were doing Kaepernick a tremendous favor with the workout, then later released four blind quotes from “scouts” saying his arm was fine, his accuracy was bad, and that he’s, at best, a backup. Kaepernick was supposed to trust Roger Goodell to disseminate an objective report card on the workout? The same guy who literally burned evidence of the Patriots stealing Super Bowls?

In every job, every job, there are expectations that ownership requires and expects you to meet. Many of those are culture norms and being complicit to their rules.

Any one can claim that they feel those are not right. That is ok. Then it goes either one of 2 ways:

1. You leave because you don't like playing their game.

2. You are asked to leave because you are a distraction and are not worth the trouble.

I can't telly you how many employees I have told "Maybe this is not the company for you, and that is ok".

It is no secret that every club in the NFL plays the PR game to not alienate large segments of their paying fanbase. Unfortunately for Kap (or, maybe this is the game that provides him most self-satisfaction and income) he does not fit the NFL owners idea of fitting the description of a safe play.

 

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, The Crusher said:

That’s exactly what I’ve got from everything up to this point. Kap doesn’t really want to play football anymore than Andrew Luck does 

Being a "rebel" can prove to have a much more long-lasting career, without the physical demands.

[Larz]

I don’t like him moving the work out the day of the event 

I found it interesting that the Chiefs and eagles and 49ers followed him to the new location indicating strong interest and not just showing up

[Rangers9]

Look with all of the Qb openings and inexperienced unproven QBs on active rosters and getting starts guys like Luke Falk there is no logical reason in terms of physical talent why Kap isn’t on a roster. There is a demand for his talent. As for kneeling it’s his right to protest and he’s explained it. I personally stand for the national anthem even though I agree with why he does it. I am ok with it if he wants to protest. There are many claiming to be patriotic but they aren’t. 

 

 

[T0mShane]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

In every job, every job, there are expectations that ownership requires expect you to meet. Many of those are culture norms and being complicit to their rules.

Any one can claim that they feel those are not right. That is ok. Then it goes either one of 2 ways:

1. You leave because you don't like playing their game.

2. You are asked to leave because you are a distraction and are not worth the trouble.

I can't telly you how many employees I have told "Maybe this is not the company for you, and that is ok".

It is no secret that every club in the NFL plays the PR game to not alienate large segments of their paying fanbase. Unfortunately for Kap (or, maybe this is the game that provides him most self-satisfaction and income) he does not fit the NFL owners of fitting the description of a safe play.

 

I agree that employers generally have the right to expect you to adhere to their culture. I just find it curious that people still presume that Kaepernick himself is resistant to doing so at this point. Instead, he’s being blackballed based on a deeply flawed, embellished narrative promulgated by notoriously compromised bad-faith actors 

[RevisIsland610]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I always find it interesting that the people who claim Kaepernick wants to stay at war with the league never actually produce a quote where Kaepernick even implies he wants to be at war with the league. I saw a prevalent take yesterday where Kaepernick was criticized for moving the workout after the league was going to restrict media access as “here we go again,” but can you blame him? The league then released a statement implying that they were doing Kaepernick a tremendous favor with the workout, then later released four blind quotes from “scouts” saying his arm was fine, his accuracy was bad, and that he’s, at best, a backup. Kaepernick was supposed to trust Roger Goodell to disseminate an objective report card on the workout? The same guy who literally burned evidence of the Patriots stealing Super Bowls?

It's all the NFL's fault damnit. Poor Colin. Let me get down on 1 knee and shed a tear for him. 

[FidelioJet]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I always find it interesting that the people who claim Kaepernick wants to stay at war with the league never actually produce a quote where Kaepernick even implies he wants to be at war with the league. I saw a prevalent take yesterday where Kaepernick was criticized for moving the workout after the league was going to restrict media access as “here we go again,” but can you blame him? The league then released a statement implying that they were doing Kaepernick a tremendous favor with the workout, then later released four blind quotes from “scouts” saying his arm was fine, his accuracy was bad, and that he’s, at best, a backup. Kaepernick was supposed to trust Roger Goodell to disseminate an objective report card on the workout? The same guy who literally burned evidence of the Patriots stealing Super Bowls?

Just four months ago he pulled that Betsy Ross Nike nonsense.  

He clearly wants to continue to be a social warrior.  Good for him, if that's what he wants, but you really can't blame an owner for not wanting that type of distraction from a back-up QB.

 

[The Crusher]

11 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I always find it interesting that the people who claim Kaepernick wants to stay at war with the league never actually produce a quote where Kaepernick even implies he wants to be at war with the league. I saw a prevalent take yesterday where Kaepernick was criticized for moving the workout after the league was going to restrict media access as “here we go again,” but can you blame him? The league then released a statement implying that they were doing Kaepernick a tremendous favor with the workout, then later released four blind quotes from “scouts” saying his arm was fine, his accuracy was bad, and that he’s, at best, a backup. Kaepernick was supposed to trust Roger Goodell to disseminate an objective report card on the workout? The same guy who literally burned evidence of the Patriots stealing Super Bowls?

This is a damn good post. Everyone should read it. ^  F-Goodell
 

 

[Scott Dierking]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I agree that employers generally have the right to expect you to adhere to their culture. I just find it curious that people still presume that Kaepernick himself is resistant to doing so at this point. Instead, he’s being blackballed based on a deeply flawed, embellished narrative promulgated by notoriously compromised bad-faith actors 

Do you know how you show a willingness to a want to play? Play by the NFL's sanctioned workout criteria, even though there are things that you may not like about it.

Listen, you dislike Jamal Adams in part because of his showboating. This looks very much like showboating. It does not show sincerity of any want to conform.

[CTM]

19 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I always find it interesting that the people who claim Kaepernick wants to stay at war with the league never actually produce a quote where Kaepernick even implies he wants to be at war with the league. I saw a prevalent take yesterday where Kaepernick was criticized for moving the workout after the league was going to restrict media access as “here we go again,” but can you blame him? The league then released a statement implying that they were doing Kaepernick a tremendous favor with the workout, then later released four blind quotes from “scouts” saying his arm was fine, his accuracy was bad, and that he’s, at best, a backup. Kaepernick was supposed to trust Roger Goodell to disseminate an objective report card on the workout? The same guy who literally burned evidence of the Patriots stealing Super Bowls?

I think that's naive. One of my best friends, a real smart dude but a lifetime moonbat complete with a phd in social science and employed as a professor, who has never so much as watched even a minute of NFL (or any sport), just brought this up yesterday. Apparently he's an NFL expert now and it's obvious to him, someone teaching kids, that Kaep is as good or better than just about any NFL QB and is not playing soley due to racist hegemonic structures. Therefore this needs his and his peers attention.  How right or wrong he is can be debated but I think most people who follow the sport will agree it's a more nuanced situation.

Anywho, he and many like him follow Kaep on twitter and twitter followers = $$$. Staying relveant and in the news cycle is good for Kaep's wallet. I don't know if Kaep actually wants to play or not, wouldn't even speculate, but I do know that this workout is unequvicolly good for business whether he gets a contract or not

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Listen, you dislike Jamal Adams in part because of his showboating. This looks very much like showboating.

This is possibly the single worst comparison ever of all time, my friend. Good lord.

[FidelioJet]

5 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

This is a damn good post. Everyone should read it. ^  F-Goodell
 

 

Except he was At-Best a back-up QB before all of this started.  There's no reason to think that statement was anything less than the truth.

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, FidelioJet said:

Except he was At-Best a back-up QB before all of this started.  There's no reason to think that statement was anything less than the truth.

On a scale of 1-10, how much better would you say he was than ... I don't know, Luke Falk?

[Scott Dierking]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is possibly the single worst comparison ever of all time, my friend. Good lord.

They are both a "look at me" spectacle.

[T0mShane]

3 minutes ago, CTM said:

I think that's naive. One of my best friends, a real smart dude but a lifetime moonbat complete with a phd in social science and employed as a professor, who has never so much as watched even a minute of NFL (or any sport), just brought this up yesterday. Apparently he's an NFL expert now and it's obvious to him, someone teaching kids, that Kaep is as good or better than just about any NFL QB and is not playing soley due to racist hegemonic structures. Therefore this needs his and his peers attention.  How right or wrong he is can be debated but I think most people who follow the sport will agree it's a more nuanced situation.

Anywho, he and many like him follows Kaep on twitter and twitter followers = $$$. Staying relveant and in the news cycle is good for Kaep's wallet.

I guess I just don’t see how Kaep staying out of the league is worth more to him than Kaep getting back into the league. If we’re assuming he’s chasing dollars, the move is to regain an NFL platform, sell a billion jerseys, and try to make a team win. He’d be a marketing god-king