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1 hour ago, BigRy56 said:

The Jets will destroy the Raiders

Bad news for the Jets , the Raiders didn’t play that great today .  No way J Gruden let’s them put back to back bad games together .    Mad Maxx Crosby with four sacks today( The Condor) 

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2 hours ago, THE BARON said:

Jets did what they should have today.  They beat one of the worst teams in the league.  The Darnold looked good, the offensive line with Compton and Lewis appeared to be improved.  TE Griffin and CB Austin are nice surprises and look to be future contributors.  

The apparent step forward may just be a mirage.  A product of a struggling team looking well against an even worse team...

The Raiders will be a bona fied litmus test for the Jets...

Anyone care to offer predictions for how that one will go ???

Here is honest assessment .   This game will be as close as J Gruden wants it to be.   If he ultra conservative with the play calling , Jets will be in this game to the end.   J Gruden comes out , and goes for the throat - Raiders win this One  in a blowout.     

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1 hour ago, Joe W. Namath said:

This raiders team is winning games but dont be fooled.  This is an average football team at best.

Flying cross country for a 1oclock game, ill say it now.

Jets win this game handily.

Jets 27

Raiders 14

Keep talking nonsense.   Just because you keep repeating the same lie, means it’s going to change anything - make it true .    Another loss to the Raiders.

What was the team that destroyed the Jets recently in the middle of the field.    Well it’s going to be much worse with the Raiders personnel.    Have ORoy RBs Josh Jacobs . Stud Rookie Fb Alec Ingold.  When you see either Rb Jalen Richard or Deandre Washington In the backfield there is a good chance they are coming in to be mismatches in the passing game.

They have three Tes that are very unique- all can both block and catch .  ( Waller, Moreau , and Carrier) They can play all three Te’s at once.   Two Te’s formations with Waller, and Moreau  , with D Carrier as  h-back . ( very tough matchup problems)       While they don’t have a true number 1 Wr , they have nice array of Wrs. ( Tyrell Williams6’4 205 , Zay Jones , Hunter Renfrow - becomes bigger part of the offense every week ( third down specialist) M Ateman 6’4 220 - big physical Wr who very good run blocker also) 

Raiders might have DRoy also Maxx Crosby seriously in the running to win that award too.( kids coming on every week- has chance to fatten up on the Jets  offense line) 

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2 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

The great offense that scored 14 points against the Bengals today?

Yea but we only care how many the Raiders  score on the Jets defense.   The Raiders are  6-4 - half  a game behind the Chiefs for   First place in the AFC West.( six seed for the playoffs right now)    Your season was over after week four. 
You still haven’t beat anyone beside  a team in the NFC East. 

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56 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Thats great but the Raiders are an average football team, nothing more.  They run the ball great, but we have a top 5 run stuffing d.

Its a long trip across the country, its going to be cold etc.

Its the perfect spot where a hot team like the raiders will lose.

Yea you have a funny way of describing average team- currently six seed in the playoffs, and half a game behind the Chiefs for first place in the AFC West.     Using your definition of average -  when was the last time the  Jets were   an average team?     
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Correction the Raiders are currently tied with the Chiefs for first place in the AFC West.   The Raiders will either be a Half a game up or down depending of outcome on Monday night.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Why is it that the Raiders didn’t destroy the Bengals, at home?  Haven’t destroyed anyone all year?  Not one single team, not even a winless 0-8 Bengals team?  I mean they’re great at every position, yet every win is a 1 score or less win.  

JUST WIN BABY  - a great man once coin that expression.   You don’t get extra credit for style points.   All you want to do is keep putting wins together- any way you have to do it.     You get enough wins , and you qualify for the playoffs.( remember what that is- been a longtime).

The Raiders could be in sole possession of first place in the AFC West after tonight.   The Raiders will be a playoff team this year.    Are they serious contenders for a Super Bowl.   Probably not, but give Mayock one more draft( 5 picks in the first 90 picks)  + 7th most cap space( last time it was posted) , and let these young players on both side gain some valuable experience.     The greatness in the Raiders is it’s future. ( Mayock and Gruden are building something special) 

Raiders have the OROY = Josh Jacobs.  Mad Maxx Crosby in the running for DROY.

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58 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And winning close games while nice doesnt prove the talent you spew on about.  

No matter how you skirt over what I said.  Theyre a mediocre team, nothing more.  

Do you know the difference between a veteran roster, versus a very young inexperienced roster .   This was a total rebuild job Gruden elected to do.( his second season)   The betting line was 6 win season for the Raiders.       The Raiders draft class has exceeded everyone expectations , as they really hit on home run on most of these picks.   ( speading up the rebuild process) .

If you understand J Gruden conservative  game plan - the games are usually going to be close.   It’s the way they play.   They are going to run the football against anyone.  ( the reason they are top three on third downs is because they don’t have that many third and longs.    They eat up a lot of time of possession .
They have a lot of young talent everywhere on defense, but they are trying to break it in at very important positions.  Cb for example,   Rookie second round Trayvon Mullen has assumed a starting position.( going to be a good one but only his third start .Rookie   Isaiah Johnson 4th round is just coming back from face fracture  experience in third play in the first preseason game- might eventually be better than Mullens , but is much rawer than Mullens too. ( his playing time should start to increase) K Nixon Eanother rookie is starting to get more minutes.       When you are trying to break in that many young players at the same time , your going to experience growing pains.  It’s a fine balance trying to win games, and trying to develop these young players at the same time.

Raiders make the playoffs , and it’s a great year. 
 

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55 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

We just need to make sure we look out for The Condor

Watch out for Dion Jordan  6 ‘ 6 275 -  had one sack last week in very limited snaps  , despite being very rusty .  ( that’s missing 10 weeks serving a suspension) .   Raiders just signed him last week , but he’s in tremendous shape.   ( the guy who I think might explode this Sunday) .

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22 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Dion Jordan has sucked for 6 years.  But now hes going to be good this Sunday??

What nonsense.

Just watch and learn .     We will talk after the game, and let’s see how wrong this prediction was.   Btw.

https://twitter.com/e_geerlings/status/1196939299804942338?s=21

Passer Rating & Comp % on Attempts of 15-Plus Yds (Min. 50 Att.) Through Week 11

125.4 - Cousins
121.2 - Mahomes
116.9 - Wilson
114.9 - Carr
113.4 - Rodgers

Comp %

54.2% - Carr
50.7% - Brady
49.4% - Prescott
49.1% - Garoppolo
48.8% - Stafford

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3 hours ago, jbone said:

Is Gruden going to call the good plays though?

Gruden has very good play designs.  He will show you something in the first half ( out of certain formations) and with the game on the line in the second  ( exact same formation - do something totally different.( constantly adding new wrinkles to offense).  The Raiders will play with a lot different personnel.  You can see anything from three Te’s , to wide range of other personnel groups.

Gruden is very conservative .   He could be playing the 86 Bears defense, and he’s going to run the football. The  Jets will get a heavy dose of Josh Jacobs this Sunday - no doubt about that.

D Carr reads NFL defenses very well, he has totally power to change the call at the line of scrimmage.  ( you will see him constantly change the play at the line of scrimmage whatever he sees from defense). 

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19 hours ago, SAR I said:

Carr doesn't like the cold, wind, and wet.  Welcome to Sunday.

SAR I

The Raiders run two , and sometime three Te sets.   All their RBs ( Jacobs, Richard, and Washington) , and Fb( Alec Ingold) are all good receivers.  Raiders have some big Wr T Williams 6’4 205 , M Ateman 6’4 215 , and little  Hunter Renfrow who does his damage in space.

Let it Rain , let it be cold , and wet because Carr can throw the 5-15 passes all day.

Now throw in the fact the Raiders have two Te’s That are excellent blockers , (can block de one on one), one of the best Fb Alec Ingold , a very big bad offense line, and  last the ORoY RBs Josh Jacobs.

The weather doesn’t effect this Raider team , as they are built to thrive in those weather conditions.

Does this look like a team that can’t handle the weather conditions. 

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4 hours ago, Maxman said:

West coming east at 1pm is tough.

Not for Gruden grinders.   The Raiders have traveled more than any team in the NFL this year.  They have made a lot of trip this year (West to East ) to play at 1:00 eastern time.   I think this young team will be ready to play this Sunday. ( under any weather conditions).

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6 hours ago, SAR I said:

I ask you to look at the 2018 and 2019 seasons.  Look at the Raiders on the road-  2 wins in 2 years, that's pretty concerning.  The Jets are actually better than that with 3.  Both Raider wins came in domes.

Translation:  The Raiders are a warm weather team, only slightly above average, only slightly better than the Jets, and their Achilles heel is cold weather in outdoor stadiums.

SAR I

Couple of points.  The question you said Carr doesn’t like  cold, wind, and the Wet. What does  that have to do with wins and losses.  Offense  could have done its job, only to lose the game because defense couldn’t stop anyone.   

Second who cares about what happened in 2018 , as the 2019 roster is radically different on both sides of the ball .  On offense - Carr, and three offense lineman are left from 2018. ( totally rebuilt).  
 

The offense that they were suppose to be with Antonio Brown, and JJ Nelson might have been effected with the cold , wind, and cold.( much deeper passing attack coming from the West to the East.

Not the Raiders offense now that relies on its Te’s ( three of them), it’s running game , and it’s big powerful offense line.  Again Carr can throw the 5-15 yards passes all day in the cold , and wind.   ( that was my point, and it’s true).   The Wr Corp T Williams, M Ateman, Zay Jones( played in Buffalo) , and H Renfrow( catches everything ) games aren’t going to be effected by cold, and wind either.  
 

The wind+ wet  hurts the Jets game more than than the Raiders( you don’t run the ball well, and takes R Anderson strength away. Carr has over 70 % completion percentage this year , and has much quicker release than Darnold.      The Raiders can dink, and dunk the Jets defense all day if they have to.

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On 11/20/2019 at 12:19 PM, Philc1 said:

Renfrow is good

 

Dion Jordan?  Lmfao

I’m telling you don’t be surprise D Jordan has monster game Sunday.  

 

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7 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Dion Jordan is a pussy and a coward. It was his MO in college, in Miami, and everywhere hes ever been

 LOL

Dion Jordan and Te Darren Waller both never reached their true potential earlier in their career ,  due to the fact both had serious  substance abuse problem .    So it’s immaterial what either did , or were in their past, but what they are now - sober. 

Personally I don’t like the fact they play Dion Jordan inside ( Dt) on the passing downs.  I think they should have four man rotation at De M Crosby, c Ferrell, B Mayowa( sack leader) and D Jordan.   ( I would deactivate j Mauro - whose just one dimensional run stuffer , who offers no pass rush).  
 

They should have four man rotation at Dt Pj Hall - teams Better double team ( tremendous strength , and quickness) , Johnathan Hankins , and M Hurst( better pass rush than run defender) , and old Man Terrell McClain . Pj Hall , and M Hurst should be the Dt’s on passing downs. ( by playing D Jordan inside they are stealing valuable minutes from each player).  
 

Another thing that bothers me, is  I don’t want to see #35 Curtis Riley on the field for anything other than special teams.   Definitely want to see more of # 31 Isaiah Johnston in the sub packages . ( very raw, but eventually could be their best cb).   

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2 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Weren’t you the guy on JI 12 years ago called me dumb for saying the raiders should draft Calvin Johnson over Jamarcus Russell? 

Sure was.   In hindsight it looks like a terrible  pick, considering Jamarcus Russell was one of the biggest bust.      My draft philosophy never changes , I would always take the QB, over taking a top Wr every time.( especially if I thought that QB could be a franchise QB.  Still would make that choice again if that was my team choices .(were in a similar situation) 

Now as Great as Calvin Johnson was as a receiver, what exactly did his teams ever win?   Still need the most important player QB , and if you don’t have that you have to keep trying to draft.

 

 

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6 hours ago, roscoeword said:

And what about the Jet players. What are we, chopped liver?

No you’re NFC East slayers - too bad you don’t play in that division .  All your wins have come against that division.   That’s it.

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