Untouchable Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 No lol Adams has admittedly been stellar over the last 2 weeks, but get the f*ck out of Dodge. This is the kind of stuff that makes me question if half of this fanbase actually watches the NFL outside of Jets games. Nevermind defensive players as a whole, you could easily argue that guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick and Devin McCourty have had greater years just from the safety position alone. Now, if Adams ties a few more of these together, then maybe an argument can be made. But as of now? Hell no. He’s a very good player on a team that probably isn’t winning more than 5 games on the season. Just on the Pats...Gilmore, McCourty and Collins are more deserving at this stage. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Obviously he’s not going to be the DPOY. If he played like he did against the Giants the whole year then yes he’d be in the running but no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 10 hours ago, Untouchable said: No lol Adams has admittedly been stellar over the last 2 weeks, but get the f*ck out of Dodge. This is the kind of stuff that makes me question if half of this fanbase actually watches the NFL outside of Jets games. Nevermind defensive players as a whole, you could easily argue that guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick and Devin McCourty have had greater years just from the safety position alone. Now, if Adams ties a few more of these together, then maybe an argument can be made. But as of now? Hell no. He’s a very good player on a team that probably isn’t winning more than 5 games on the season. Just on the Pats...Gilmore, McCourty and Collins are more deserving at this stage. Jamal only has a chance if he keeps up this pace and adds some INTS. He has 1 and a TD this year along with 6 sacks and 2 FF. For him to be in the conversation he has to have way more INTs since thats what gets noticed. For context: Jamal: 1 Int, 6 PD, 2 FF, 1 FR ,2 TDs ,6 sacks, 56 Combo Tackles, 47 solo tackles, 8 TFL Woodson (won in 2009): 9 ints, 18 PD, 4 FF, 1 FR 3 TDs, 2 sacks, 74 combo tackles, 66 solo, 9 TFL Polamalu (won in 2010): 7 ints, 11 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 TD, 1 sack, 63 combo tackles, 49 solo, 6 TFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Untouchable said: No lol Adams has admittedly been stellar over the last 2 weeks, but get the f*ck out of Dodge. This is the kind of stuff that makes me question if half of this fanbase actually watches the NFL outside of Jets games. Nevermind defensive players as a whole, you could easily argue that guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick and Devin McCourty have had greater years just from the safety position alone. Now, if Adams ties a few more of these together, then maybe an argument can be made. But as of now? Hell no. He’s a very good player on a team that probably isn’t winning more than 5 games on the season. Just on the Pats...Gilmore, McCourty and Collins are more deserving at this stage. Well said. Unless he adds ~7 INT's over the remainder of the season, it's not even a serious question. He has become a decent pass rusher, credit where it's due (to Williams use of him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 17 hours ago, nycdan said: Polomalu, Bob Sanders and Ed Reed have all won it once in the last 15 years. Oddly, only 1 CB has won it in that time. I think Adams is still a VERY far way from being a top candidate but after this week he can inch back in the conversation a little bit. But for comparison, Logan Ryan, CB from TEN, has more tackles than Adams, with 3.5 sacks, 3 INTs and 3 FFs. And two DL have 11.5 sacks. Still a long way to go, but if he keeps playing over the next few weeks like he did the last two, he'll get some real buzz. yep. there's still 6 games left. adams has been on a tear. we should hope he can keep it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 20 hours ago, Rhg1084 said: I think he’s the clear favorite for DPOY this year. Who else is even in the running? TJ Watt Maybe? Adams DPOY- Defensive Personality of the Year 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Jamal: Defensive Player of the Holocene Epoch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Warfish said: Well said. Unless he adds ~7 INT's over the remainder of the season, it's not even a serious question. He has become a decent pass rusher, credit where it's due (to Williams use of him). Would 7 drops count ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 I don't have a link but I saw an article with a quote from one of the redskins olinemen. was very telling when he was discussing why they struggled so mightily with the jets offense. First he spoke about the jets all pro safety coming in and out of the box and confusing them and then spoke about the exotic looks they were getting from GWs defense. Nice to hear from players of other teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/17/2019 at 7:09 PM, Rhg1084 said: I think he’s the clear favorite for DPOY this year. Who else is even in the running? TJ Watt Maybe? I would think at least his name would come up in the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted November 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: I would think at least his name would come up in the conversation. Well yeah, if he was in the room he would certainly bring it up himself. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: I would think at least his name would come up in the conversation. I would pick Nick Bosa over Jamal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Player Pos Team Odds to win 2019 NFL DPOY at Bovada Stephon Gilmore CB NE +700 Joey Bosa EDGE LAC +900 Aaron Donald DT LAR +1000 Nick Bosa EDGE SF +1100 Myles Garrett EDGE CLE +1200 TJ Watt EDGE PIT +1200 Shaquil Barrett EDGE TB +1400 Chandler Jones EDGE ARI +1500 Minkah Fitzpatrick DB PIT +1500 Jamie Collins LB NE +1800 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, prime21 said: I would pick Nick Bosa over Jamal. Good for you. Did you actually READ my post ? I didn't "PICK" him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, shawn306 said: Player Pos Team Odds to win 2019 NFL DPOY at Bovada Stephon Gilmore CB NE +700 Joey Bosa EDGE LAC +900 Aaron Donald DT LAR +1000 Nick Bosa EDGE SF +1100 Myles Garrett EDGE CLE +1200 TJ Watt EDGE PIT +1200 Shaquil Barrett EDGE TB +1400 Chandler Jones EDGE ARI +1500 Minkah Fitzpatrick DB PIT +1500 Jamie Collins LB NE +1800 Jamal not even on the list? Don;t they know he's the best defensive player in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rldev Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 11:08 AM, Chrebetfan80 said: Jamal only has a chance if he keeps up this pace and adds some INTS. He has 1 and a TD this year along with 6 sacks and 2 FF. For him to be in the conversation he has to have way more INTs since thats what gets noticed. For context: Jamal: 1 Int, 6 PD, 2 FF, 1 FR ,2 TDs ,6 sacks, 56 Combo Tackles, 47 solo tackles, 8 TFL Woodson (won in 2009): 9 ints, 18 PD, 4 FF, 1 FR 3 TDs, 2 sacks, 74 combo tackles, 66 solo, 9 TFL Polamalu (won in 2010): 7 ints, 11 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 TD, 1 sack, 63 combo tackles, 49 solo, 6 TFL With 6 games left, Jamal's numbers look pretty good. He will have more tackles for a loss, 60+ solo tackles, way more sacks. Throw in a couple of picks and another touchdown, what's the problem? Certainly comparable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, rldev said: With 6 games left, Jamal's numbers look pretty good. He will have more tackles for a loss, 60+ solo tackles, way more sacks. Throw in a couple of picks and another touchdown, what's the problem? Certainly comparable. Tackles are easy to rack up for a good player on a bad team, any Bills fan can tell you that from tackle leaders over the years. He can fluke into sacks by being the extra unblocked man on risky blitzes (you either land the safety blitz or give up a deep TD), and you can't just assume that he'll haul in more INTs as if he had a history of getting them regularly already. Lies, damn lies, and statistics as they say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 11:08 AM, Chrebetfan80 said: Jamal only has a chance if he keeps up this pace and adds some INTS. He has 1 and a TD this year along with 6 sacks and 2 FF. For him to be in the conversation he has to have way more INTs since thats what gets noticed. For context: Jamal: 1 Int, 6 PD, 2 FF, 1 FR ,2 TDs ,6 sacks, 56 Combo Tackles, 47 solo tackles, 8 TFL Woodson (won in 2009): 9 ints, 18 PD, 4 FF, 1 FR 3 TDs, 2 sacks, 74 combo tackles, 66 solo, 9 TFL Polamalu (won in 2010): 7 ints, 11 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 TD, 1 sack, 63 combo tackles, 49 solo, 6 TFL Woodson shouldnt even have won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 33 minutes ago, rldev said: With 6 games left, Jamal's numbers look pretty good. He will have more tackles for a loss, 60+ solo tackles, way more sacks. Throw in a couple of picks and another touchdown, what's the problem? Certainly comparable. Ints are more flashy. That's how Woodson robbed Revis in 09 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu79 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Warfish said: Jamal not even on the list? Don;t they know he's the best defensive player in the NFL? Maybe not. But Minkah plays a similar role and has pretty solid odds. That role is often not valued as an impact on this forum but I've seen Pittsburgh's turn around attributed to the addition of Fitzpatrick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/17/2019 at 9:09 PM, More Cowbell said: Om not so sure. If he keeps playing.like this piling up sacks, he is going to be considered for sure. Sacks are the glamour stat Not for DBs. You have to be able to beat receivers to win as a DB. If you want to laud a safety for sacks then you also have to credit him for those open plays over the middle given up while he is blitzing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 First team all pro would be pretty cool. Def worthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Blessuan Austin IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y3k Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I think if he gets to 12-15 sacks and we end up 8-8 he’s got a legit argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 If he keeps playing the way he has, he for sure will be in the convo. Also think it helps he’s a flashy personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Y3k said: I think if he gets to 12-15 sacks and we end up 8-8 he’s got a legit argument I don't think 12+ is realistic. If he ends up with 10 that's a major accomplishment IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, Y3k said: I think if he gets to 12-15 sacks and we end up 8-8 he’s got a legit argument That's a pretty huge IF. That's assuming he DOUBLES his current sacks per game rate down a 5-1 stretch just to be in the argument. Do you realize most of the regular season is already over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: I don't think 12+ is realistic. If he ends up with 10 that's a major accomplishment IMO. He's at 0.6 sacks per game, at that already inflated rate he finishes with 9.6 sacks. 13-15 sacks would require an unrealistic 100-150% increase to his current sack rate to attain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said: Not for DBs. You have to be able to beat receivers to win as a DB. If you want to laud a safety for sacks then you also have to credit him for those open plays over the middle given up while he is blitzing. I don't agree. S have the same responsibilities as a LB when it comes to covering players. They will mostly cover the TE or RB that leaks out. They do help CB's but they don't have a sole responsibility for the WR as a CB does. They are the ones you want to see the big pick numbers from. Also the way they line Adam's up, he should be called a LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: I don't agree. S have the same responsibilities as a LB when it comes to covering players. They will mostly cover the TE or RB that leaks out. They do help CB's but they don't have a sole responsibility for the WR as a CB does. They are the ones you want to see the big pick numbers from. Also the way they line Adam's up, he should be called a LB. Ah yes, the famous "2 deep linebackers" formations where CBs can cheat in and rely on help from the deep linebacker to cover their back on streaking WRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Ah yes, the famous "2 deep linebackers" formations where CBs can cheat in and rely on help from the deep linebacker to cover their back on streaking WRs. There is a reason CBs become S and S don't become CBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: There is a reason CBs become S and S don't become CBs And if CBs could catch they would be WRs. And if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: And if CBs could catch they would be WRs. And if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle. If your aunt had a dick, would it run fast enough to be a CB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 He should be in the conversation. You look at this defensive unit and it’s shocking that they’ve been good. Jamal is having an all pro season. He’ll need to get to double digit sacks to have a chance though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, More Cowbell said: If your aunt had a dick, would it run fast enough to be a CB? With all those testosterone injections, maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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