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No lol

Adams has admittedly been stellar over the last 2 weeks, but get the f*ck out of Dodge.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me question if half of this fanbase actually watches the NFL outside of Jets games.

Nevermind defensive players as a whole, you could easily argue that guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick and Devin McCourty have had greater years just from the safety position alone.

Now, if Adams ties a few more of these together, then maybe an argument can be made.

But as of now? Hell no.

He’s a very good player on a team that probably isn’t winning more than 5 games on the season.

Just on the Pats...Gilmore, McCourty and Collins are more deserving at this stage.

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Obviously he’s not going to be the DPOY. If he played like he did against the Giants the whole year then yes he’d be in the running but no. 

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10 hours ago, Untouchable said:

No lol

Adams has admittedly been stellar over the last 2 weeks, but get the f*ck out of Dodge.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me question if half of this fanbase actually watches the NFL outside of Jets games.

Nevermind defensive players as a whole, you could easily argue that guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick and Devin McCourty have had greater years just from the safety position alone.

Now, if Adams ties a few more of these together, then maybe an argument can be made.

But as of now? Hell no.

He’s a very good player on a team that probably isn’t winning more than 5 games on the season.

Just on the Pats...Gilmore, McCourty and Collins are more deserving at this stage.

Jamal only has a chance if he keeps up this pace and adds some INTS. He has 1 and a TD this year along with 6 sacks and 2 FF.   For him to be in the conversation he has to have way more INTs since thats what gets noticed. 

 For context:

Jamal:  1 Int, 6 PD,  2 FF, 1 FR ,2 TDs ,6 sacks, 56 Combo Tackles,  47 solo tackles,  8 TFL

Woodson (won in 2009):  9 ints, 18 PD, 4 FF, 1 FR 3 TDs,  2 sacks, 74 combo tackles, 66 solo, 9 TFL

Polamalu (won in 2010):  7 ints, 11 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 TD, 1 sack, 63 combo tackles, 49 solo, 6 TFL

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13 hours ago, Untouchable said:

No lol

Adams has admittedly been stellar over the last 2 weeks, but get the f*ck out of Dodge.

This is the kind of stuff that makes me question if half of this fanbase actually watches the NFL outside of Jets games.

Nevermind defensive players as a whole, you could easily argue that guys like Minkah Fitzpatrick and Devin McCourty have had greater years just from the safety position alone.

Now, if Adams ties a few more of these together, then maybe an argument can be made.

But as of now? Hell no.

He’s a very good player on a team that probably isn’t winning more than 5 games on the season.

Just on the Pats...Gilmore, McCourty and Collins are more deserving at this stage.

Well said.  

Unless he adds ~7 INT's over the remainder of the season, it's not even a serious question.

He has become a decent pass rusher, credit where it's due (to Williams use of him).

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17 hours ago, nycdan said:

Polomalu, Bob Sanders and Ed Reed have all won it once in the last 15 years.  Oddly, only 1 CB has won it in that time.

I think Adams is still a VERY far way from being a top candidate but after this week he can inch back in the conversation a little bit. But for comparison, Logan Ryan, CB from TEN, has more tackles than Adams, with 3.5 sacks, 3 INTs and 3 FFs.  And two DL have 11.5 sacks.

Still a long way to go, but if he keeps playing over the next few weeks like he did the last two, he'll get some real buzz.

yep.  there's still 6 games left.  adams has been on a tear.  we should hope he can keep it up.

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20 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

I think he’s the clear favorite for DPOY this year. Who else is even in the running? TJ Watt Maybe?

Adams DPOY- Defensive Personality of the Year

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5 hours ago, Warfish said:

Well said.  

Unless he adds ~7 INT's over the remainder of the season, it's not even a serious question.

He has become a decent pass rusher, credit where it's due (to Williams use of him).

Would 7 drops count 🧐

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I don't have a link but I saw an article with a quote from one of the redskins olinemen.  was very telling when he was discussing why they struggled so mightily with the jets offense.  First he spoke about the jets all pro safety coming in and out of the box and confusing them and then spoke about the exotic looks they were getting from GWs defense.  Nice to hear from players of other teams.

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On 11/17/2019 at 7:09 PM, Rhg1084 said:

I think he’s the clear favorite for DPOY this year. Who else is even in the running? TJ Watt Maybe?

I would think at least his name would come up in the conversation.

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10 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

I would think at least his name would come up in the conversation.

I would pick Nick Bosa over Jamal.

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Player Pos Team Odds to win 2019 NFL DPOY at Bovada
Stephon Gilmore CB NE +700
Joey Bosa EDGE LAC +900
Aaron Donald DT LAR +1000
Nick Bosa EDGE SF +1100
Myles Garrett EDGE CLE +1200
TJ Watt EDGE PIT +1200
Shaquil Barrett EDGE TB +1400
Chandler Jones EDGE ARI +1500
Minkah Fitzpatrick DB PIT +1500
Jamie Collins LB NE +1800

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40 minutes ago, prime21 said:

I would pick Nick Bosa over Jamal.

Good for you. Did you actually READ my post ? I didn't "PICK" him .

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47 minutes ago, shawn306 said:
Player Pos Team Odds to win 2019 NFL DPOY at Bovada
Stephon Gilmore CB NE +700
Joey Bosa EDGE LAC +900
Aaron Donald DT LAR +1000
Nick Bosa EDGE SF +1100
Myles Garrett EDGE CLE +1200
TJ Watt EDGE PIT +1200
Shaquil Barrett EDGE TB +1400
Chandler Jones EDGE ARI +1500
Minkah Fitzpatrick DB PIT +1500
Jamie Collins LB NE +1800

Jamal not even on the list?

Don;t they know he's the best defensive player in the NFL?

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On 11/18/2019 at 11:08 AM, Chrebetfan80 said:

Jamal only has a chance if he keeps up this pace and adds some INTS. He has 1 and a TD this year along with 6 sacks and 2 FF.   For him to be in the conversation he has to have way more INTs since thats what gets noticed. 

 For context:

Jamal:  1 Int, 6 PD,  2 FF, 1 FR ,2 TDs ,6 sacks, 56 Combo Tackles,  47 solo tackles,  8 TFL

Woodson (won in 2009):  9 ints, 18 PD, 4 FF, 1 FR 3 TDs,  2 sacks, 74 combo tackles, 66 solo, 9 TFL

Polamalu (won in 2010):  7 ints, 11 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 TD, 1 sack, 63 combo tackles, 49 solo, 6 TFL

With 6 games left, Jamal's numbers look pretty good. He will have more tackles for a loss,  60+ solo tackles, way more sacks. Throw in a couple of picks and another touchdown, what's the problem? Certainly comparable.

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32 minutes ago, rldev said:

With 6 games left, Jamal's numbers look pretty good. He will have more tackles for a loss,  60+ solo tackles, way more sacks. Throw in a couple of picks and another touchdown, what's the problem? Certainly comparable.

Tackles are easy to rack up for a good player on a bad team, any Bills fan can tell you that from tackle leaders over the years.  He can fluke into sacks by being the extra unblocked man on risky blitzes (you either land the safety blitz or give up a deep TD), and you can't just assume that he'll haul in more INTs as if he had a history of getting them regularly already.

Lies, damn lies, and statistics as they say.

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On 11/18/2019 at 11:08 AM, Chrebetfan80 said:

Jamal only has a chance if he keeps up this pace and adds some INTS. He has 1 and a TD this year along with 6 sacks and 2 FF.   For him to be in the conversation he has to have way more INTs since thats what gets noticed. 

 For context:

Jamal:  1 Int, 6 PD,  2 FF, 1 FR ,2 TDs ,6 sacks, 56 Combo Tackles,  47 solo tackles,  8 TFL

Woodson (won in 2009):  9 ints, 18 PD, 4 FF, 1 FR 3 TDs,  2 sacks, 74 combo tackles, 66 solo, 9 TFL

Polamalu (won in 2010):  7 ints, 11 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR, 1 TD, 1 sack, 63 combo tackles, 49 solo, 6 TFL

Woodson shouldnt even have won. 

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33 minutes ago, rldev said:

With 6 games left, Jamal's numbers look pretty good. He will have more tackles for a loss,  60+ solo tackles, way more sacks. Throw in a couple of picks and another touchdown, what's the problem? Certainly comparable.

Ints are more flashy. That's how Woodson robbed Revis in 09

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10 hours ago, Warfish said:

Jamal not even on the list?

Don;t they know he's the best defensive player in the NFL?

Maybe not. But Minkah plays a similar role and has pretty solid odds. That role is often not valued as an impact on this forum but I've seen Pittsburgh's turn around attributed to the addition of Fitzpatrick...

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On 11/17/2019 at 9:09 PM, More Cowbell said:

Om not so sure. If he keeps playing.like this piling up sacks, he is going to be considered for sure.  Sacks are the glamour  stat

Not for DBs.  You have to be able to beat receivers to win as a DB.  If you want to laud a safety for sacks then you also have to credit him for those open plays over the middle given up while he is blitzing.

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I think if he gets to 12-15 sacks and we end up 8-8 he’s got a legit argument 

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If he keeps playing the way he has, he for sure will be in the convo. Also think it helps he’s a flashy personality. 

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7 minutes ago, Y3k said:

I think if he gets to 12-15 sacks and we end up 8-8 he’s got a legit argument 

I don't think 12+ is realistic.  If he ends up with 10 that's a major accomplishment IMO.

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17 minutes ago, Y3k said:

I think if he gets to 12-15 sacks and we end up 8-8 he’s got a legit argument 

That's a pretty huge IF.

That's assuming he DOUBLES his current sacks per game rate down a 5-1 stretch just to be in the argument.  Do you realize most of the regular season is already over?

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11 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

I don't think 12+ is realistic.  If he ends up with 10 that's a major accomplishment IMO.

He's at 0.6 sacks per game, at that already inflated rate he finishes with 9.6 sacks.  13-15 sacks would require an unrealistic 100-150% increase to his current sack rate to attain.

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1 hour ago, 1ManRaid said:

Not for DBs.  You have to be able to beat receivers to win as a DB.  If you want to laud a safety for sacks then you also have to credit him for those open plays over the middle given up while he is blitzing.

I don't  agree. S have the same responsibilities  as a LB when it comes to covering players. They will mostly cover the TE or RB that leaks out. They do help CB's but they don't  have a sole responsibility  for the WR as a CB does. They are the ones you want to see the big pick numbers from. Also the way they line Adam's up, he should be called a LB. 

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2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

I don't  agree. S have the same responsibilities  as a LB when it comes to covering players. They will mostly cover the TE or RB that leaks out. They do help CB's but they don't  have a sole responsibility  for the WR as a CB does. They are the ones you want to see the big pick numbers from. Also the way they line Adam's up, he should be called a LB. 

Ah yes, the famous "2 deep linebackers" formations where CBs can cheat in and rely on help from the deep linebacker to cover their back on streaking WRs.

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5 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Ah yes, the famous "2 deep linebackers" formations where CBs can cheat in and rely on help from the deep linebacker to cover their back on streaking WRs.

There is a reason CBs become S and S don't  become CBs

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5 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

There is a reason CBs become S and S don't  become CBs

And if CBs could catch they would be WRs.  And if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle.

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29 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

And if CBs could catch they would be WRs.  And if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle.

If your aunt had a dick, would it run fast enough to be a CB?

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He should be in the conversation. You look at this defensive unit and it’s shocking that they’ve been good. Jamal is having an all pro season. He’ll need to get to double digit sacks to have a chance though. 

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2 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

If your aunt had a dick, would it run fast enough to be a CB?

With all those testosterone injections, maybe.

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