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i think one of the issues with bell is that people think he's one of those 100 yard per game backs.  he's not.  unless i am mistaken, his game average is about 80 yards.  he has a total average of 129 but that includes pass catching.  at pitt big ben was able to extend plays and bell was there to be the short guy.

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For the first time in over a year (10/7/18 and 10/14/18) the Jets actually won two games in a row.  Washington isn’t a good football team and they have an over matched rookie QB but who are the Jets to throw wins back.  The key points of this game were the offense generated 34 points for a second week in a row and the defense slapped Haskins around all day:

Special Teams

– Sam Ficken has opened the door to being replaced in 2020.  Granted his misses (XP and FG) didn’t affect the outcome of the game but he’s showing too much inconsistency.  At best he’s going to have to fight for his spot in camp next year.

– Lachlan Edwards has graduated from a boom/bust punter early in his career to a consistent “field changer”.  He had another solid day with a 42 yard average and one punt inside the 20 yard line.

– Horrid fumble by Vyncint Smith on his only kickoff return.  Fortunately for him Washington didn’t score on their possession.  Finally an impactful game by Braxton Berrios as he had a 14 yard average on four punt returns.

Defense

– Solid overall game by the defense as they stuffed the run and shut down WSH passing game.  From a “stat” perspective I’m sure they’re kicking themselves because of the meaningless numbers Haskins generated in the 4th quarter.

– Another impressive performance by Bless Austin as he built on his pro debut against NYG.  How refreshing to watch a CB that’s fast, has good
awareness, speed and is a willing tackler.  The total opposite of Trumaine Johnson, thank goodness.

– In addition to Austin these were the other defensive stars:

* James Burgess has grown as his reps have increased.  With 9 Tackles, .5 Sack, 2 TFL, 1 QB Hit
* Henry Anderson with 5 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL, 2 QB Hits
* Neville Hewit had a nice return to the lineup with 5 Tackles, 1 INT, 1 PBU
* Nathan Shepherd with another strong game 3 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL,
1 QB Hit.  In two games he has put to shame what Leonard Williams has done in the past two years
* Jamal Adams with another huge game 4 Tackles, 3 Sacks, 3 TFL, 4 QB Hits

– I know its nitpicking but Marcus Maye has to make that INT.  He can’t let a “scrawny” WR pull the ball away from him

Offense

– Adam Gase deserves credit for his “first 15 plays”, as the offense has scored TD’s on their first drive in the past four games.  But unlike last week when the offense “blacked out” for two quarters the production stayed consistent.  In addition scoring 34 points in back to back weeks is impressive.  Getting Sam Darnold on the move by incorporating more roll outs was a nice touch.  That’s enough credit, now Gase has to keep it up

– The OLine was solid in both phases for once.  As they finally got over 100 yards on the ground (115) and allowed two sacks early on.  They also had to incorporate Brandon Shell back in at RT as Chuma Edoga went down with an injury.

– I’m starting to be concerned that LeVeon Bell and this run scheme don’t fit. Bilal Powell in his few reps (7 rushes / 42 yards) was much more explosive through
the holes being opened.  While Bell “eeked” his way to 59 yards on 18 rushes. Gase has to do a better job in utilizing Bell or bring in a run game coordinator.
Because right now he’s being wasted.

– I’m also concerned about Robby Anderson’s role in the offense.  Yes, he had a TD but that was his only catch of the day and it was for 6 yards.  I’m starting to wonder if he’s going to be re-signed.

– Ryan Griffin (5 recs / 109 yards / TD), Jamison Crowder (5 recs / 76 yards / TD) and Demaryius Thomas (4 recs / 44 yards) all seem to fit better with Darnold than
Anderson does.  They all run “dirty work” routes over the middle of the field where Anderson usually doesn’t.  Something to watch going forward.

– Awful INT by Sam Darnold as he went through at least 3 progressions on the play then still forced a throw into traffic.  It could’ve been a turning point in the game
but the defense held Washington to a field goal.  I know its strange to start the breakdown of Darnold’s day with his only mistake (19/30, 293 yards, 4 TD) but the second half of the season is all about his progression.  And proper decision making is critical in taking the next step as a QB.  Other than that he displayed his “off script” ability and accuracy on the run as there were more roll outs in the game plan.

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5 hours ago, KRL said:

Fair points and in my post I said it was strange to focus on
Darnold's INT to start my breakdown on him.  But the second
half of the season is all about his progression and I'm
training myself to be more critical of all aspects of Darnold's
play and not just his stats.  Stats can sometimes mask bad
traits which will come back to bite you when games are important

Seems to me its a fine line with Darnold. So many of his plays are making something out of nothing and being aggressive (especially mid-range which seems to be his "zone") and with aggressiveness comes bad decisions...he did throw it away a few times after..I just think we need to let him find his go/no go limits and he will be fine. 

Bell made an interesting comment that he saw Darnold become more of a man this week or something like that and really step up, and then with the Gase comments it seems that maybe Sam finally just said to Gase something like "look, I need to be able to roll out and throw on the run" and then we finally saw that Sunday.

One other interesting note is that Sam looked unstoppable in preseason, and he was playing with pretty much the same line as yesterday. Who would have thought that essentially the 2nd string OL would work SO much better as a group. Not that we shouldn't replace them all but Winters and Kalil had gigantic negative effects on this team this season.

 

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16 hours ago, KRL said:

For the first time in over a year (10/7/18 and 10/14/18) the Jets actually
won two games in a row.  WSH stinks and has an over matched rookie QB but
who are the Jets to throw wins back.  The key points of this game were the
offense generated 34 points for a second week in a row and the defense
slapped Haskins around all day:


Special Teams

- Sam Ficken has opened the door to being replaced in 2020.  Granted his
misses (XP and FG) didn't affect the outcome of the game but he's showing
too much inconsistency.  At best he's going to have to fight for his spot
in camp next year

- Lachlan Edwards has graduated from a boom/bust punter early in his career
to a consistent "field changer".  He had another solid day with a 42 yard
average and one punt inside the 20 yard line

- Horrid fumble by Vyncint Smith on his only kickoff return.  Fortunately
for him WSH didn't score on their possession.  Finally an impactful game
by Braxton Berrios as he had a 14 yard average on four punt returns


Defense

- Solid overall game by the defense as they stuffed the run and shut down
WSH passing game.  From a "stat" perspective I'm sure they're kicking
themselves because of the meaningless numbers Haskins generated in the 4th
quarter

- Another impressive performance by Bless Austin as he built on his pro
debut against NYG.  How refreshing to watch a CB that's fast, has good
awareness, speed and is a willing tackler.  The total opposite of Trumaine
Johnson, thank goodness

- In addition to Austin these were the other defensive stars:

  * James Burgess has grown as his reps have increased.  With 9 Tackles,
    .5 Sack, 2 TFL, 1 QB Hit
  * Henry Anderson with 5 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL, 2 QB Hits
  * Neville Hewit had a nice return to the lineup with 5 Tackles, 1 INT,
    1 PBU
  * Nathan Shepherd with another strong game 3 Tackles, 1 Sack, 1 TFL,
    1 QB Hit.  In two games he has put to shame what Leonard Williams has
    done in the past two years
  * Jamal Adams with another huge game 4 Tackles, 3 Sacks, 3 TFL, 4 QB Hits

- I know its nitpicking but Marcus Maye has to make that INT.  He can't 
let a "scrawny" WR pull the ball away from him


Offense

- Adam Gase deserves credit for his "first 15 plays", as the offense has scored
TD's on their first drive in the past four games.  But unlike last week when the
offense "blacked out" for two quarters the production stayed consistent.  In
addition scoring 34 points in back to back weeks is impressive.  Getting Sam
Darnold on the move by incorporating more rollouts was a nice touch.  That's enough
credit, now Gase has to keep it up

- The OLine was solid in both phases for once.  As they finally got over 100 yards 
on the ground (115) and allowed two sacks early on.  They also had to incorporate
Brandon Shell back in at RT as Chuma Edoga went down with an injury

- I'm starting to be concerned that LeVeon Bell and this run scheme don't fit.
Bilal Powell in his few reps (7 rushes / 42 yards) was much more explosive through
the holes being opened.  While Bell "eeked" his way to 59 yards on 18 rushes.
Gase has to do a better job in utilizing Bell or bring in a run game coordinator.
Because right now he's being wasted

- I'm also concerned about Robby Anderson's role in the offense.  Yes, he had a 
TD but that was his only catch of the day and it was for 6 yards.  I'm starting
to wonder if he's going to be re-signed

- Ryan Griffin (5 recs / 109 yards / TD), Jamison Crowder (5 recs / 76 yards / TD)
and Demaryius Thomas (4 recs / 44 yards) all seem to fit better with Darnold than
Anderson does.  They all run "dirty work" routes over the middle of the field where
Anderson usually doesn't.  Something to watch going forward

- Awful INT by Sam Darnold as he went through at least 3 progressions on the play
then still forced a throw into traffic.  It could've been a turning point in the game
but the defense held WSH to a FG.  I know its strange to start the breakdown of
Darnold's day with his only mistake (19/30, 293 yards, 4 TD) but the second half
of the season is all about his progression.  And proper decision making is critical
in taking the next step as a QB.  Other than that he displayed his "off script" 
ability and accuracy on the run as there were more rollouts in the game plan

I have been saying this for a while, when they put this offensive line together and looked at the blocking scheme it didnt fit the style of runner bell was in Pitt.  Pitt is an outside zone/power blocking scheme . So a mix between stretch zone plays and some gap blocking schemes.  These accentuated bells patience and vision.  

The jets did everything here wrong.  They signed KO in the offseason who is not a good zone blocking guard, and much better in a Gap blocking scheme.  The problem also is that this offensive line in general is much better suited to be more Gap Blocking than zone.  Funny enough, you may remember last season under Bates the jets ran more outside zone/ stretch plays(which would play right into bells strengths) with little to no success.  Again with most of the same line back you can see from last year that the personnel is not suited for this scheme.  Inside and Outside zone schemes require extremely athletic lineman (think the eagles).  It's not that bigger guys cant run zone schemes, but they have a hard time cutting off angles if they arent fleet of foot. 

So what do we have so far going on in this picture leading into the season?  A line more suited for a Gap blocking scheme, with a player traded for whose strength is in Gap Blocking.  Then we sign a premeire FA who has had most of his success in an outside zone offensive scheme. AND we hire a coach who primarily likes to use an INSIDE ZONE blocking scheme.  So not one of the pieces to this puzzle fit. 

Now all this can be alleviated by using more Gap scheme runs ( power, counter f, counter trey, power o). and moving away from inside zone plays.  I exclude using outside zone because the line doesnt block well in space, even though we have a back that can excel in that scheme.   Actually to be noted if anyone watched the Rams vs. Bears game last night you can get a perfect idea of what I mean.  The rams have been famously a primary outside zone team since Mcvay took over there.  But the line hasn't been up to snuff in that area, so they started incorporating more Gap schemes, which tend to hit a little quicker, and they had way more success running the ball. 

 

 

On to my second point which is about Anderson.  Anderson is still finding his sea legs in this passing offense which features way more quick short throws and crossing routes than vertical shots down field.  Anderson has actually done a really nice just on his crossing routes and is usually wide open for seemingly big yardage, however its been kind of a perfect storm during his reps.  Either the primary read was open and darnold threw there, Dardnold was sacked, or The ball was tipped or batted down at the line.  Darnold has even missed Anderson (over throwing him) on several crossing routes on third down which would have went for excellent yardage.  So while i agree he may not be perfectly suited for this passing scheme (caters to quick physical WR's) . His speed plays very well here, and its just a matter of time before he starts clicking on a bigger level. 

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5 hours ago, heymangold said:

I said it in the Robby Anderson thread and i won’t change my opinion on it - he stinks.  He’s a 1 trick pony and JD should have taken whatever he was offered for Anderson. He won’t be back next year.

He doesn’t stink but he is miscast as a WR1.  Robby is almost the perfect WR3, and that’s what most teams apparently consider him per NFL Network reports around the trade deadline. 

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1 hour ago, JetNation said:

For the first time in over a year (10/7/18 and 10/14/18) the Jets actually won two games in a row.  Washington isn’t a good football team and they have an over matched rookie QB but who are the Jets to throw wins back.

 

The Jets should have two more opportunities to win back-to-back games this year.  Either the Raiders-Bengals or Bengals-Dolphins games should be a winnable pair.

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17 hours ago, KRL said:

- I'm starting to be concerned that LeVeon Bell and this run scheme don't fit.
Bilal Powell in his few reps (7 rushes / 42 yards) was much more explosive through
the holes being opened.  While Bell "eeked" his way to 59 yards on 18 rushes.
Gase has to do a better job in utilizing Bell or bring in a run game coordinator.
Because right now he's being wasted

+1 had the same thought. 

This O-line may simply not suit the ultra-patient, wait, wait, wait kind of runner Bell is.  A downhill battering-ram runner like Powell might just be better suited with this O-line to plow through those sparing few holes and take what he can get by force of momentum, rather than wait for Bell-type holes that never seem to come this year. 

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15 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

He doesn’t stink but he is miscast as a WR1.  Robby is almost the perfect WR3, and that’s what most teams apparently consider him per NFL Network reports around the trade deadline. 

That's always been my take of Anderlols, from day 1.

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9 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said:

I have been saying this for a while, when they put this offensive line together and looked at the blocking scheme it didnt fit the style of runner bell was in Pitt.  Pitt is an outside zone/power blocking scheme . So a mix between stretch zone plays and some gap blocking schemes.  These accentuated bells patience and vision.  

The jets did everything here wrong.  They signed KO in the offseason who is not a good zone blocking guard, and much better in a Gap blocking scheme.  The problem also is that this offensive line in general is much better suited to be more Gap Blocking than zone.  Funny enough, you may remember last season under Bates the jets ran more outside zone/ stretch plays(which would play right into bells strengths) with little to no success.  Again with most of the same line back you can see from last year that the personnel is not suited for this scheme.  Inside and Outside zone schemes require extremely athletic lineman (think the eagles).  It's not that bigger guys cant run zone schemes, but they have a hard time cutting off angles if they arent fleet of foot. 

So what do we have so far going on in this picture leading into the season?  A line more suited for a Gap blocking scheme, with a player traded for whose strength is in Gap Blocking.  Then we sign a premeire FA who has had most of his success in an outside zone offensive scheme. AND we hire a coach who primarily likes to use an INSIDE ZONE blocking scheme.  So not one of the pieces to this puzzle fit. 

Now all this can be alleviated by using more Gap scheme runs ( power, counter f, counter trey, power o). and moving away from inside zone plays.  I exclude using outside zone because the line doesnt block well in space, even though we have a back that can excel in that scheme.   Actually to be noted if anyone watched the Rams vs. Bears game last night you can get a perfect idea of what I mean.  The rams have been famously a primary outside zone team since Mcvay took over there.  But the line hasn't been up to snuff in that area, so they started incorporating more Gap schemes, which tend to hit a little quicker, and they had way more success running the ball. 

Great stuff here!

This could all, hopefully, tie into the Douglas/Gase partnership. You have to hope they can get the OL talent to fit the scheme the O system Gase wants to run. 

Does Alex Lewis strengths fit into what Gase likes to run.  Perhaps McDermott is another OT they feel could since Douglas claimed him when Buffalo waived him.  

Does it fit Bell will then be the question. If it doesn’t then it’s time to move him for draft capital. 

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8 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Great stuff here!

This could all, hopefully, tie into the Douglas/Gase partnership. You have to hope they can get the OL talent to fit the scheme the O system Gase wants to run. 

Does Alex Lewis strengths fit into what Gase likes to run.  Perhaps McDermott is another OT they feel could since Douglas claimed him when Buffalo waived him.  

Does it fit Bell will then be the question. If it doesn’t then it’s time to move him for draft capital. 

Well these are all good questions.  I dont have all the answers to these but this is my best guess:

 

Much like the rams this year i think the you will see the jets start to employ a little more Gap principals as the season goes on.  Bell absolutely fits a Gap Scheme (maybe not as well as an outside zone one) much like curtis martin did during his tenure in NY.  Gap schemes while some plays require just a full head of steam, some benefit from the patience of a back who's willing to wait for a guard to work up to backer coming off a double team, or the patience and vision to set up a defensive end while a tackle comes to kick him out.  So i do think bell can fit in what we do here. 

The problem is if we go to an Inside zone scheme where i dont think he fits as well.  He has excellent vision, so he can do really well in the cutback lanes those plays create for RBs, but the box is a little more condensed in these scenarios.  Outside zone creates more space and lanes for a RB like Bell to pick and choose from then burst through.  

 

The best course of action in my mind for the fastest track to competency would be to switch to primarily a Gap blocking scheme since the line we're employing now fits more of a power blocking style.  I think Lewis fits that mold as does Compton and Shell.  The problem here lies in the future of what you want to build.  Both guards are more suited for Gap Blocking, while the current tackles and center (edoga, beachum and harrison) i would probably say fit better in a zone scheme.  

 

Hard to peg, someone with a better feel for offensive lineman would be able to give a better answer to that.  Im good but im not expert on it lol  perhaps @RobR   could chime in. 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Y3k said:

Disagree, not sure why the stat is “pinning” inside the 20. A pin is inside the 10, especially is you are punting from mid field. 

Agree with you.  Edwards got to go, he is not good either when we need a clutch kick from the end-zone or nailing a team in the 10. 

Fickens will cost a game or 2.  Mac was to cheap to keep Myers.  The good teams do not cut corners.  Pats will try out kickers every week until they get the right one.  We need a good punter and FG kicker, cant remember when we had that (maybe Lehey and Jennings).

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7 hours ago, Y3k said:

Nothing impressive about a punt inside the 20 if you’re punting from mid field and you leave it on the 18. I don’t care what he’s done this season- he sucked yeateray 

So Darnold throws 4 picks in a game and you post about how great it really was. But our punter...tar and feather the dude for not pinning people consistently at the 5yd line. 

To be clear I think Darnold has great potential and has a good chance to develop into an excellent quarterback. 

Just pointing out your ridiculous takes. 

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18 hours ago, nycdan said:

  I don't recall if he is getting doubled with a Safety much.  Anyone notice it?

At the very least YES on the Crowder TD...safety defo went w/ RA over the middle.

Were JetFans concerned w/ Wesley Walker low usage rate? 

RA has more catches than WW did at this point....

Again...   RA has as many Tds as Walker did at this point in their respective careers.

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11 minutes ago, TheMo said:

So Darnold throws 4 picks in a game and you post about how great it really was. But our punter...tar and feather the dude for not pinning people consistently at the 5yd line. 

To be clear I think Darnold has great potential and has a good chance to develop into an excellent quarterback. 

Just pointing out your ridiculous takes. 

Y3K is a Kool-Aid knockoff

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17 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

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seriously, who is this man, and why are we paying to do anything but wear scarfs and talk about christmas. 

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14 hours ago, Y3k said:

Nothing impressive about a punt inside the 20 if you’re punting from mid field and you leave it on the 18. I don’t care what he’s done this season- he sucked yeateray 

NYJ 50 punt 36y out of bounds to WAS 14

NYJ 38 punt 46y to WAS 14 retnd 9y to WAS 25

WAS 43 punt 43y touchback
NYJ 6 punt 43y no retn to NYJ 49
 
This is your idea of “sucks,” and “terrible?” It wasn’t his best game, but this is far from an “off with his head” performance. There are so many things wrong with the Jets this season, Edwards is not even close to one of them. And not caring what he’s done all season is exactly the problem. You’re simply wrong and being ridiculous.

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8 hours ago, Losmeister said:

Y3K is a Kool-Aid knockoff

Isn't he Nico or something? Just under a different user name?

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8 hours ago, Losmeister said:

At the very least YES on the Crowder TD...safety defo went w/ RA over the middle.

Were JetFans concerned w/ Wesley Walker low usage rate? 

RA has more catches than WW did at this point....

Again...   RA has as many Tds as Walker did at this point in their respective careers.

1. 1980 is exactly like 2019. 

 

2. Go wash your mouth out with soap, Ralphie.

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On 11/17/2019 at 8:37 PM, nycdan said:

Not to completely exonerate Anderson, but he has drawn a number of penalties this season, including a 33-yard PI call against the Giants last week.  He also had a big catch taken back today because of an offensive penalty, holding I think.  I think he's better than his stats show, but it is odd that the Jets can't seem to get him the ball a little more often.  I don't recall if he is getting doubled with a Safety much.  Anyone notice it?

 

 

Agreed. There’s been a lot of almost huge plays for Robby that we’re not his fault they didn’t happen. A lot of PI’s that would’ve been huge gains, TD’s. A couple misses by Sam. I keep waiting for the breakout; I feel it’s going to happen. 
 

Robby and Sam were a top tier combo the last 4 games of last season. They’re both good. It’s bound to happen imo. 
 

and I def want to resign Robbie. He’s young and talented and defenses fear him and usually put  their number 1 CB on him and roll a safety over top.

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33 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

ralphie?

inconvenient facts

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7 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

inconvenient facts

Matthew Stafford is far and away superior to Bart Starr, Joe Montana, and way better than Andrew Luck. The Stats dont lie.

LOL. 

 

 

Stats without context. Pointless and dumb. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Pointless and dumb. 

killing RA for being a good deep threat is exactly that,

wes walker was also skinny and weak...   but nobody killed him for it. 

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