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43 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

I give you two more weeks here, tops. Enjoy’em.

Wait until the scotch comes out after thanksgiving dinner. He may not make it to the pumpkin pie tomorrow.

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4 hours ago, Rob123 said:

I didn't realize you were in charge around here.  Trust  me the  Post  is  not meant for stupid people, so I am glad you claim to ignore me.   Although, you reading and commenting on what I said is the opposite of ignoring someone.  This is what makes it so clear you are  an idiot.

You are so stupid that at this point in your pathetic life you do not know the definition of the word ignore.  I am not ignoring  you because I think you are so stupid, that  it should be pointed out to everyone.

Now let me ask do you have your own computer at group home or do you share  one?

Stupid?

Here is the definition of stupid: Levying multiple personal attacks on a website that bans posters for personal attacks.  Looks like you made a successful attempt to qualify.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Rob123 said:

I go back and forth and often look at the Jet D and say "if it is not broke, don't fix it", hold off on trading anyone.  Then I look at Quinnen Williams and change my mind.  I might waiver but in reality I think the best move for the Jets would be to trade Williams.  I think there are a number of reasons why this just makes the most sense.

Look at the Jet defense and ask how much Quinnen Williams has contributed?  It is safe to say the Jet defense is very good and Quinnen Williams has not been a big contributor or factor.  He has provided the production one would expect from a third or fourth round pick and not the number 3 pick in the draft.  That said his play is certainly not hurting them and my argument for trading him is they don't need much beyond what he providing.

Ask this question- if Williams becomes what his biggest defenders hope and pray he becomes- how much better does that make the Jet defense? CJ Mosely is not going anywhere and he is a force when he is on the field.  He will be back next  year to make this outstanding unit even better.  With where the Jets are now and a returning Mosely next year they certainly do not need Williams to get better to field a competitive team.  The Jets have an outstanding defense as long as they simply have an adequate DT. 

Right now Williams is giving you what many 3rd or 4th round DT's will give you.  I believe the Jets should consider trading him now especially for multiple picks in this draft because you can replace his production with a 3rd rounder, of which the Jets have an extra.  The Jets would be a better team in 2020- or certainly no worse- if they traded Williams for a first and third rounder and then replaced him with the 3rd rounder.  If the Jets can get a first rounder they can even use that on a DT in memorium of Idzik and Macagnan and spend the extra third rounder on a receiver or OL help.  There are multiple scenarios where the Jets are simply a better team with the return they would get for Williams than with him at DT.

If the Jets are a tremendous defense with Williams simply playing the position, then why not trade him, when his value is likely near its high point.

There are reasons beyond it making the team better.  A trade like this after what looks like a successful end of the season surge showing improvement might really boost the fanbase.  Taking Quinnen Williams at number 3 was a mistake.  The Jets did not need a defensive tackle, and especially didn't need to take one so high.  It was ridiculous not to address the OL after making a major trade to draft  Sam Darnold.  Quinnen Williams was not the player for the Jets to take at 3 and it would be nice if ownership made a move and said "we get it, bad decisions were made regarding player personal and we are doing what we can to move on from it".

I know, and respect, many want to stay positive but this was the wrong pick on so many levels.  The Jets selected Christian Hackenberg with a second round pick.  They passed on Mahomes and then they had to really pay a high price to move up to draft Darnold.  The Jets had no choice because they were looking for a franchise QB for 50 years.  They finally get one but had to pay a high price because FQBs are not cheap.  What happens if he gets injured?  Shouldn't protecting him from injury been priority 1?  Under the circumstances, an OL to protect Darnold from injury, acquiring picks to recoup what you traded and a player's readiness to contribute should have been the deciding factors in deciding what to do with that pick.   The number 3 was not the time to take a project player who needs time to develop.  The fact the preceding factors were not and Macagnan was so incompetent was a slap in the face to a fanbase that has been taken for granted by ownership for a very long time.  Ownership should do something that says "we get it, the wrong decisions were made".  Think about it- the only person who would draft Williams at 3 in the position the Jets were in was Macagnan- every other executive would have traded down or at least  drafted a position of need.  Everyone in Football expected the Jets to trade down because it made to sense to take Williams when you didn't have a second round pick.

The number 3 pick in the draft should contribute immediately.  Williams contributions have been minimal and there are questions as to him being a legitimate draft bust.  If the Jets can cut bait now and recoup a first rounder that could be used on productive offensive player they should do it.  Right now even if he is a bust, he still has value.  A team in the Jets position- with the players and personal they have now- can do a great deal with an additional first round draft pick at this time.  If the Jets get a first rounder for him and use it on a difference making receiver they would be a better team.  What makes the Jets better- Quinnen Williams at his full potential or Darnold with a number one receiver or sick OL comprised of 2 first round picks?   Based on the personal the Jets have now what makes them the best team- Williams at his full potential at DT or Darnold with a number 1 receiver or an impenetrable line that would also help Bell?

Look at Jadaveon Clowney- he was a high pick who never amounted to anything more than good player and certainly not worth the  top pick in the draft.  Nobody can predict the future and the idea it is a given that if given time Williams will turn into a force is simply not true.  Many arguments defending Williams come from people with this false belief that if a player is taken high in the draft  that means if given time they will eventually be a star.  This is not true and many top 5 picks never pan out.  I ask anyone who wants to keep Williams 2 questions 1)Point out what he has done and what part of his game make you feel he will improve.  They had a weight room at Alabama and he had access to one with the Jets- save the weights argument 2) Tell me what is different about Williams compared to other players who didn't pan out.  Also explain this one- if his performance is because of conditioning that means he is not in the best football shape.  Isn't this the sign of a draft bust?  Isn't a guy not being in the best condition to compete and excel after being chosen so high in the draft a sign of the player being a bust?

This is the New York market.  Quinnen Williams was the 3rd overall pick and has done nothing to live up to that.  As I said before- the poor start, the Darnold injury, the Macagnan mutiny and all the other bull early insulated questions about Quinnen Williams.  People were talking about the first year coach on the hot seat and not Williams failures.  The media and fans will be merciless and relentless if he does not perform.  If Williams can't deliver what is expected of a 3rd pick things will be miserable for him.  He would be better off being traded to the  Texans as a rookie where he would not have to deal with the failed expectations.  Like it or not based on how things stand right now Williams may be mentioned with guys like Vernon Gholston when it comes to all time draft busts.

I will close with this to those who say "he needs time to develop".  You don't draft  guys at #3 who need time to develop.  This was the wrong pick the way the Kyle Brady pick was the wrong one.

 

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5 hours ago, Rob123 said:

I didn't realize you were in charge around here.  Trust  me the  Post  is  not meant for stupid people, so I am glad you claim to ignore me.   Although, you reading and commenting on what I said is the opposite of ignoring someone.  This is what makes it so clear you are  an idiot.

You are so stupid that at this point in your pathetic life you do not know the definition of the word ignore.  I am not ignoring  you because I think you are so stupid, that  it should be pointed out to everyone.

Now let me ask do you have your own computer at group home or do you share  one?

Boy, i bet Maxman is really glad so many are taking the stop fighting thread he pinned so seriously 

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We need to atleast give him a year to fail. 
A year is a long time - he could have 5000 posts and 2,500,000 words on here by then.
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22 minutes ago, isired said:
3 hours ago, CurtMart said:
We need to atleast give him a year to fail. 

A year is a long time - he could have 5000 posts and 2,500,000 words on here by then.

He was talking about giving Quinnen the year, not the OP. At least I hope he was...

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7 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Quinnen Williams will be one of the best defensive players in the league in the next few years.

After making some great progress, jet fans have reverted back to being morons again.

Are there any Jets who won't, as you see it, be amazingly awesome soon (tm)?

Just curious, you seem to think everyone will be great in our future.

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8 hours ago, Rob123 said:

I go back and forth and often look at the Jet D and say "if it is not broke, don't fix it", hold off on trading anyone.  Then I look at Quinnen Williams and change my mind.  I might waiver but in reality I think the best move for the Jets would be to trade Williams.  I think there are a number of reasons why this just makes the most sense.

Look at the Jet defense and ask how much Quinnen Williams has contributed?  It is safe to say the Jet defense is very good and Quinnen Williams has not been a big contributor or factor.  He has provided the production one would expect from a third or fourth round pick and not the number 3 pick in the draft.  That said his play is certainly not hurting them and my argument for trading him is they don't need much beyond what he providing.

Ask this question- if Williams becomes what his biggest defenders hope and pray he becomes- how much better does that make the Jet defense? CJ Mosely is not going anywhere and he is a force when he is on the field.  He will be back next  year to make this outstanding unit even better.  With where the Jets are now and a returning Mosely next year they certainly do not need Williams to get better to field a competitive team.  The Jets have an outstanding defense as long as they simply have an adequate DT. 

Right now Williams is giving you what many 3rd or 4th round DT's will give you.  I believe the Jets should consider trading him now especially for multiple picks in this draft because you can replace his production with a 3rd rounder, of which the Jets have an extra.  The Jets would be a better team in 2020- or certainly no worse- if they traded Williams for a first and third rounder and then replaced him with the 3rd rounder.  If the Jets can get a first rounder they can even use that on a DT in memorium of Idzik and Macagnan and spend the extra third rounder on a receiver or OL help.  There are multiple scenarios where the Jets are simply a better team with the return they would get for Williams than with him at DT.

If the Jets are a tremendous defense with Williams simply playing the position, then why not trade him, when his value is likely near its high point.

There are reasons beyond it making the team better.  A trade like this after what looks like a successful end of the season surge showing improvement might really boost the fanbase.  Taking Quinnen Williams at number 3 was a mistake.  The Jets did not need a defensive tackle, and especially didn't need to take one so high.  It was ridiculous not to address the OL after making a major trade to draft  Sam Darnold.  Quinnen Williams was not the player for the Jets to take at 3 and it would be nice if ownership made a move and said "we get it, bad decisions were made regarding player personal and we are doing what we can to move on from it".

I know, and respect, many want to stay positive but this was the wrong pick on so many levels.  The Jets selected Christian Hackenberg with a second round pick.  They passed on Mahomes and then they had to really pay a high price to move up to draft Darnold.  The Jets had no choice because they were looking for a franchise QB for 50 years.  They finally get one but had to pay a high price because FQBs are not cheap.  What happens if he gets injured?  Shouldn't protecting him from injury been priority 1?  Under the circumstances, an OL to protect Darnold from injury, acquiring picks to recoup what you traded and a player's readiness to contribute should have been the deciding factors in deciding what to do with that pick.   The number 3 was not the time to take a project player who needs time to develop.  The fact the preceding factors were not and Macagnan was so incompetent was a slap in the face to a fanbase that has been taken for granted by ownership for a very long time.  Ownership should do something that says "we get it, the wrong decisions were made".  Think about it- the only person who would draft Williams at 3 in the position the Jets were in was Macagnan- every other executive would have traded down or at least  drafted a position of need.  Everyone in Football expected the Jets to trade down because it made to sense to take Williams when you didn't have a second round pick.

The number 3 pick in the draft should contribute immediately.  Williams contributions have been minimal and there are questions as to him being a legitimate draft bust.  If the Jets can cut bait now and recoup a first rounder that could be used on productive offensive player they should do it.  Right now even if he is a bust, he still has value.  A team in the Jets position- with the players and personal they have now- can do a great deal with an additional first round draft pick at this time.  If the Jets get a first rounder for him and use it on a difference making receiver they would be a better team.  What makes the Jets better- Quinnen Williams at his full potential or Darnold with a number one receiver or sick OL comprised of 2 first round picks?   Based on the personal the Jets have now what makes them the best team- Williams at his full potential at DT or Darnold with a number 1 receiver or an impenetrable line that would also help Bell?

Look at Jadaveon Clowney- he was a high pick who never amounted to anything more than good player and certainly not worth the  top pick in the draft.  Nobody can predict the future and the idea it is a given that if given time Williams will turn into a force is simply not true.  Many arguments defending Williams come from people with this false belief that if a player is taken high in the draft  that means if given time they will eventually be a star.  This is not true and many top 5 picks never pan out.  I ask anyone who wants to keep Williams 2 questions 1)Point out what he has done and what part of his game make you feel he will improve.  They had a weight room at Alabama and he had access to one with the Jets- save the weights argument 2) Tell me what is different about Williams compared to other players who didn't pan out.  Also explain this one- if his performance is because of conditioning that means he is not in the best football shape.  Isn't this the sign of a draft bust?  Isn't a guy not being in the best condition to compete and excel after being chosen so high in the draft a sign of the player being a bust?

This is the New York market.  Quinnen Williams was the 3rd overall pick and has done nothing to live up to that.  As I said before- the poor start, the Darnold injury, the Macagnan mutiny and all the other bull early insulated questions about Quinnen Williams.  People were talking about the first year coach on the hot seat and not Williams failures.  The media and fans will be merciless and relentless if he does not perform.  If Williams can't deliver what is expected of a 3rd pick things will be miserable for him.  He would be better off being traded to the  Texans as a rookie where he would not have to deal with the failed expectations.  Like it or not based on how things stand right now Williams may be mentioned with guys like Vernon Gholston when it comes to all time draft busts.

I will close with this to those who say "he needs time to develop".  You don't draft  guys at #3 who need time to develop.  This was the wrong pick the way the Kyle Brady pick was the wrong one.

 

How  about trading CJ Mosley?  Why do we always gravitate to our young up and coming players.  Because they're actually playing?

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12 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

You are having quite a first week here.

What 5 threads started on the first page?  

Isnt there a limit...

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4 hours ago, Warfish said:

Are there any Jets who won't, as you see it, be amazingly awesome soon (tm)?

Just curious, you seem to think everyone will be great in our future.

Which is interesting and confusing given he's hated everyone in mgt.  from owner to GM to HC.  So the GM who picks these amazingly awesome players sucks but finds them. The HC who sucks will develop them.  And the owner who sucks let's them all succeed. 

Odd.

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13 hours ago, Rob123 said:

I go back and forth and often look at the Jet D and say "if it is not broke, don't fix it", hold off on trading anyone.  Then I look at Quinnen Williams and change my mind.  I might waiver but in reality I think the best move for the Jets would be to trade Williams.  I think there are a number of reasons why this just makes the most sense.

Look at the Jet defense and ask how much Quinnen Williams has contributed?  It is safe to say the Jet defense is very good and Quinnen Williams has not been a big contributor or factor.  He has provided the production one would expect from a third or fourth round pick and not the number 3 pick in the draft.  That said his play is certainly not hurting them and my argument for trading him is they don't need much beyond what he providing.

Ask this question- if Williams becomes what his biggest defenders hope and pray he becomes- how much better does that make the Jet defense? CJ Mosely is not going anywhere and he is a force when he is on the field.  He will be back next  year to make this outstanding unit even better.  With where the Jets are now and a returning Mosely next year they certainly do not need Williams to get better to field a competitive team.  The Jets have an outstanding defense as long as they simply have an adequate DT. 

Right now Williams is giving you what many 3rd or 4th round DT's will give you.  I believe the Jets should consider trading him now especially for multiple picks in this draft because you can replace his production with a 3rd rounder, of which the Jets have an extra.  The Jets would be a better team in 2020- or certainly no worse- if they traded Williams for a first and third rounder and then replaced him with the 3rd rounder.  If the Jets can get a first rounder they can even use that on a DT in memorium of Idzik and Macagnan and spend the extra third rounder on a receiver or OL help.  There are multiple scenarios where the Jets are simply a better team with the return they would get for Williams than with him at DT.

If the Jets are a tremendous defense with Williams simply playing the position, then why not trade him, when his value is likely near its high point.

There are reasons beyond it making the team better.  A trade like this after what looks like a successful end of the season surge showing improvement might really boost the fanbase.  Taking Quinnen Williams at number 3 was a mistake.  The Jets did not need a defensive tackle, and especially didn't need to take one so high.  It was ridiculous not to address the OL after making a major trade to draft  Sam Darnold.  Quinnen Williams was not the player for the Jets to take at 3 and it would be nice if ownership made a move and said "we get it, bad decisions were made regarding player personal and we are doing what we can to move on from it".

I know, and respect, many want to stay positive but this was the wrong pick on so many levels.  The Jets selected Christian Hackenberg with a second round pick.  They passed on Mahomes and then they had to really pay a high price to move up to draft Darnold.  The Jets had no choice because they were looking for a franchise QB for 50 years.  They finally get one but had to pay a high price because FQBs are not cheap.  What happens if he gets injured?  Shouldn't protecting him from injury been priority 1?  Under the circumstances, an OL to protect Darnold from injury, acquiring picks to recoup what you traded and a player's readiness to contribute should have been the deciding factors in deciding what to do with that pick.   The number 3 was not the time to take a project player who needs time to develop.  The fact the preceding factors were not and Macagnan was so incompetent was a slap in the face to a fanbase that has been taken for granted by ownership for a very long time.  Ownership should do something that says "we get it, the wrong decisions were made".  Think about it- the only person who would draft Williams at 3 in the position the Jets were in was Macagnan- every other executive would have traded down or at least  drafted a position of need.  Everyone in Football expected the Jets to trade down because it made to sense to take Williams when you didn't have a second round pick.

The number 3 pick in the draft should contribute immediately.  Williams contributions have been minimal and there are questions as to him being a legitimate draft bust.  If the Jets can cut bait now and recoup a first rounder that could be used on productive offensive player they should do it.  Right now even if he is a bust, he still has value.  A team in the Jets position- with the players and personal they have now- can do a great deal with an additional first round draft pick at this time.  If the Jets get a first rounder for him and use it on a difference making receiver they would be a better team.  What makes the Jets better- Quinnen Williams at his full potential or Darnold with a number one receiver or sick OL comprised of 2 first round picks?   Based on the personal the Jets have now what makes them the best team- Williams at his full potential at DT or Darnold with a number 1 receiver or an impenetrable line that would also help Bell?

Look at Jadaveon Clowney- he was a high pick who never amounted to anything more than good player and certainly not worth the  top pick in the draft.  Nobody can predict the future and the idea it is a given that if given time Williams will turn into a force is simply not true.  Many arguments defending Williams come from people with this false belief that if a player is taken high in the draft  that means if given time they will eventually be a star.  This is not true and many top 5 picks never pan out.  I ask anyone who wants to keep Williams 2 questions 1)Point out what he has done and what part of his game make you feel he will improve.  They had a weight room at Alabama and he had access to one with the Jets- save the weights argument 2) Tell me what is different about Williams compared to other players who didn't pan out.  Also explain this one- if his performance is because of conditioning that means he is not in the best football shape.  Isn't this the sign of a draft bust?  Isn't a guy not being in the best condition to compete and excel after being chosen so high in the draft a sign of the player being a bust?

This is the New York market.  Quinnen Williams was the 3rd overall pick and has done nothing to live up to that.  As I said before- the poor start, the Darnold injury, the Macagnan mutiny and all the other bull early insulated questions about Quinnen Williams.  People were talking about the first year coach on the hot seat and not Williams failures.  The media and fans will be merciless and relentless if he does not perform.  If Williams can't deliver what is expected of a 3rd pick things will be miserable for him.  He would be better off being traded to the  Texans as a rookie where he would not have to deal with the failed expectations.  Like it or not based on how things stand right now Williams may be mentioned with guys like Vernon Gholston when it comes to all time draft busts.

I will close with this to those who say "he needs time to develop".  You don't draft  guys at #3 who need time to develop.  This was the wrong pick the way the Kyle Brady pick was the wrong one.

 

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15 hours ago, jgb said:

Welcome. Farewell.

yup.  In and out in under 72 hrs.  Maybe he can set a record of posting the greatest number of useless and redundant sentences in the least time?  Quite entertaining @Rob123.   Does this much hot air come out of both ends of your digestive track?

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3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Which is interesting and confusing given he's hated everyone in mgt.  from owner to GM to HC.  So the GM who picks these amazingly awesome players sucks but finds them. The HC who sucks will develop them.  And the owner who sucks let's them all succeed. 

Odd.

We're all odd in our own ways I suppose, lol. 

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15 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

Jesus.... this thread makes me want to vomit. Yes, trade a rookie 3rd pick after 11 games or so.  that sounds brilliant. 

I’m one of the few QW supporters left but I also support trading him for a first 

 

We are solid at the DL and we have a ton of holes WR about to become one of them

 

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6 hours ago, Fantasy Island said:

Christian Hackenberg reportedly set to debut in Eagles ...

Say What?

QW has shown flashes

 

All Hack showed us was throwing constant pick 6’s against PS bums in man to man vanilla schemes and pajamas on the sidelines because even Bowles knew he couldn’t play

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7 hours ago, Warfish said:

We're all odd in our own ways I suppose, lol. 

The internal struggle that defines Jet fandom?  Lol

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14 hours ago, long suffering jets fan said:

How  about trading CJ Mosley?  Why do we always gravitate to our young up and coming players.  Because they're actually playing?

usually because of contracts 

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9 hours ago, Philc1 said:

QW has shown flashes

 

All Hack showed us was throwing constant pick 6’s against PS bums in man to man vanilla schemes and pajamas on the sidelines because even Bowles knew he couldn’t play

And managed to fleece over $2 million doing so.

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