Quinnen Williams TRADE

[phill1c]

Seriously...

The Jets should trade the guy they just drafted?!

for not playing at an elite level by his 11th game?!

LOL

Oh, right, they should also trade their pro bowl safety because he's a trash talker and rarely [frequently] has impact on games.

[Lizard King]

Shopping your 3rd overall pick, 11 games into his Career, is certainly how you create leverage 

[Wonderboy]

On ‎11‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 5:51 PM, BurnleyJet said:

If someone is stupid enough to offer the Jets a first for the fat kid. We should take their arm off.

We'd be lucky to get a 2nd rounder. It was a ill advised, luxury pick and sealed Macc's fate. I don't see JD trading him despite the OL being a mess. But you never know.  I'd do it for a mid 1st round pick and take that center Bladiz. QW is more Leo than Mean Joe Green or Warren Sapp.

[jgb]

12 hours ago, phill1c said:

Seriously...

The Jets should trade the guy they just drafted?!

for not playing at an elite level by his 11th game?!

LOL

Oh, right, they should also trade their pro bowl safety because he's a trash talker and rarely [frequently] has impact on games.

At the same time the board was in a depression for a week after Dortch poached from practice squad. Nobody loves their JAGS and sub-JAGS more than Jets fans.

[Jets723]

7 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

We'd be lucky to get a 2nd rounder. It was a ill advised, luxury pick and sealed Macc's fate. I don't see JD trading him despite the OL being a mess. But you never know.  I'd do it for a mid 1st round pick and take that center Bladiz. QW is more Leo than Mean Joe Green or Warren Sapp.

How about we give the kid more than half a season before declaring him anything?

[phill1c]

2 hours ago, jgb said:

At the same time the board was in a depression for a week after Dortch poached from practice squad. Nobody loves their JAGS and sub-JAGS more than Jets fans.

It's called being a fan. You should try it, but just not with this team.

[shawn306]

Look at Jadaveon Clowney- he was a high pick who never amounted to anything more than good player and certainly not worth the  top pick in the draft .  Nobody can predict the future and the idea it is a given that if given time Williams will turn into a force is simply not true.  Many arguments defending Williams come from people with this false belief that if a player is taken high in the draft  that means if given time they will eventually be a star.  This is not true and many top 5 picks never pan out.  I ask anyone who wants to keep Williams 2 questions 1)Point out what he has done and what part of his game make you feel he will improve.  They had a weight room at Alabama and he had access to one with the Jets- save the weights argument 2) Tell me what is different about Williams compared to other players who didn't pan out.  Also explain this one- if his performance is because of conditioning that means he is not in the best football shape.  Isn't this the sign of a draft bust?  Isn't a guy not being in the best condition to compete and excel after being chosen so high in the draft a sign of the player being a bust?

 

Stopped reading here

[jgb]

50 minutes ago, phill1c said:

It's called being a fan. You should try it, but just not with this team.

Yeah, denigrating our elite players like Revis, Martin and Gastineau for absurd reasons while worshiping our JAGs makes one a “real fan.”

[Philc1]

17 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

And managed to fleece over $2 million doing so.

Hack owes Mac a Christmas card

[Philc1]

11 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

We'd be lucky to get a 2nd rounder. It was a ill advised, luxury pick and sealed Macc's fate. I don't see JD trading him despite the OL being a mess. But you never know.  I'd do it for a mid 1st round pick and take that center Bladiz. QW is more Leo than Mean Joe Green or Warren Sapp.

Completely disagree you can still get a first for QW

[phill1c]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

Yeah, denigrating our elite players like Revis, Martin and Gastineau for absurd reasons while worshiping our JAGs makes one a “real fan.”

denigrating our elite players...while worshipping...

I really only concentrate on my own posts and responses so I don't know how I've denigrated any elite player (I dont' think I actually mentioned any other player) or worshipped any player by saying it's premature to label Quinnen Williams anything since he's played all of 11 NFL games.

Why is it so important to you that Quinnen Williams be horrible?

[phill1c]

3 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Completely disagree you can still get a first for QW

so, wait, he's good enough to get a first rounder but we're considering trading him because he hasn't met expectations?

[Wonderboy]

4 hours ago, Jets723 said:

How about we give the kid more than half a season before declaring him anything?

Seen enough. Look at how Oliver has progressed already and is playing lights out. QW was a dumb pick when we had so many positions that needed to be addressed. There’s just no justification for taking him and he doesn’t look anything special which just makes the pick that much more ridiculous.

[pdxgreen]

 

[jgb]

4 hours ago, phill1c said:

Why is it so important to you that Quinnen Williams be horrible?

Come again?

[bostonmajet]

20 hours ago, phill1c said:

Seriously...

The Jets should trade the guy they just drafted?!

for not playing at an elite level by his 11th game?!

LOL

Oh, right, they should also trade their pro bowl safety because he's a trash talker and rarely [frequently] has impact on games.

You know what the say 'buy high - sell low'

[More Cowbell]

4 hours ago, phill1c said:

so, wait, he's good enough to get a first rounder but we're considering trading him because he hasn't met expectations?

What do you mean "we're" 

[bealeb319]

How much do you really think we could get for him the guy has been injured and not amazing when on the field

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[Philc1]

8 hours ago, phill1c said:

so, wait, he's good enough to get a first rounder but we're considering trading him because he hasn't met expectations?

Before you say something racist try to get me in trouble again let me explain that we have way bigger issues with the roster than defensive line

[TnT]

OP way too long, forgivable...

quoting whole post in reply, UNFORGIVABLE!!!

[Jets723]

This was really a dumb thread to begin with lol

[phill1c]

14 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Before you say something racist try to get me in trouble again let me explain that we have way bigger issues with the roster than defensive line

Exactly: "we have way bigger issues than defensive line...

So it makes no sense to create a problem on the defensive line on the hope that we address problems elsewhere.

Secondly, I really don't see a ton of holes on the roster. Mostly I see the holes at positions that relatively easy to fill and/or not really as important as others believe. Let's have a recap [cause I got time this morning]:

OL: this is the majority of the issues. two positions need immediate attention and overall the unit has questions. but already, with subtraction of Kalil and Winters, the OL is playing better, going from "putrid, the worst" to meh, pass protection is adequate, run blocking still below average. So, I think there's room for growth with this unit.

CB: Austin and the riddance of Trumain Johnson have this unit looking up. The Jets have plenty of gritty depth guys and, of course, the 3rd best safety tandem in the league. So, not really terrible. But, they still could use more length and youth. Needs addressing but, not an "on fire" need, barring injury.

TE: I have no issues with this unit. Neither, does it appear, does Darnold. I never understood why the Jets always had the wimpiest of TEs during the last decade. That said, they were always expecting the TEs to compensate for a sh!!thy OL, so, bound to fail and suck. 

OLB: ah, the edge rusher. this mythical beast, part Mo Lewis, part John Abraham. Or a modern day Mark Gastineau, pre-steroid. That's what we need. But, you know, if you have all the other boxes checked, almost anyone can fill this role, imo. It's mostly great for marketing merchandise. Give me an all around playmaker. Not just a pass rushing specialist.

ILB: the guys playing there now aren't playing terribly, but it's nice to know that Mosley will be back, presumably at full strength and Williamson, eventually (or not), who can say?

Personally, I think the guys the Jets have, as a group, are active and productive. One game it's this guy, the next, it's another. All pitching in, getting it done. But, sure, it never hurts to have that marquee guy people have to scheme against.

WR: What's not to like about this unit? Crowder, elusive, a poor man's Edelman. Demarius Thomas, big, reliable hands target. Anderson, the home run hitter and, in the background Smith, another big, fast target.

Kicker: We need someone AT LEAST as reliable as Pat Leahy. C'mon man...but at least punting is very good.

I know it's easy [for me] to get giddy about the way the team is playing. I'm very skeptical, based on the recent and not recent past. But I do note that the team looks like less than sh!t now. I keep waiting for the old Jets offense and defense to return.

When the Jets were playing horribly, I thought the secondary coverage and OL play were the worst aspects of the defense and offense. But those are, like, you know, the most things. So, now, there way better. Maybe not perfect, but, 3 straight wins with pretty complete games on both sides of the ball is pretty encouraging. I mean, before, you couldn't really tell what were the greatest weakness because there were soo many. Now, at least you can say that OL knows its blocking concepts and has the physicality to execute it to an effective degree. On defense, they can actually play man coverage and zone effectively. And they make teams one-dimensional with the run defense.

LOL, sorry but this didn't get much coverage. Our DL pretty much butt fu*cked the Raider OL. They got dick all day on the ground. And I'm so sure they were expecting to get at least average gains. They got NOTHING!!

Anyway, I'm rambling...

 

 

 

 

[jetstream23]

Currently has an above average rating.  I'll take that for the rookie right now.  Let's hope he continues to progress and takes the kind of leap that guys like Jamal, Fatukasi and Shepherd have after the rookie year.  It's all learning right now.

[Beerfish]

19 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Currently has an above average rating.  I'll take that for the rookie right now.  Let's hope he continues to progress and takes the kind of leap that guys like Jamal, Fatukasi and Shepherd have after the rookie year.  It's all learning right now.

rookie.......THIRD OVERALL PICK IN THE DRAFT.

He is not better than Fats (6th rounder), Sheppard (3rd rounder) and phillips rookie UDFA.

AWFUL pick considering the other holes on this team.  For him to be a good pick he had to dominate almost immediately.

He may end up being pretty good but we have a good rushing D without him so he has to get to the QB. 

[Rangers9]

The Jets apparently could have traded him recently and cut their losses. We don't know about the return offered or the teams but the rumor was teams offered multiple pieces in return. So maybe management thinks he's a work in progress and worth keeping. Maybe not overall no. 3 material but he could be a decent long term starter. Even though he's big it's hard to spot him on the field. He's no. 95. But when I have seen him he doesn't play soft he just looks soft. Look Gase and Douglas didn't draft this guy so they have no loyalty to him. And Gase made it very clear around the draft he wasn't thrilled with Mac's choices in the draft or free agency. So let's wait and see. 

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, phill1c said:

Exactly: "we have way bigger issues than defensive line...

So it makes no sense to create a problem on the defensive line on the hope that we address problems elsewhere.

Secondly, I really don't see a ton of holes on the roster. Mostly I see the holes at positions that relatively easy to fill and/or not really as important as others believe. Let's have a recap [cause I got time this morning]:

OL: this is the majority of the issues. two positions need immediate attention and overall the unit has questions. but already, with subtraction of Kalil and Winters, the OL is playing better, going from "putrid, the worst" to meh, pass protection is adequate, run blocking still below average. So, I think there's room for growth with this unit.

CB: Austin and the riddance of Trumain Johnson have this unit looking up. The Jets have plenty of gritty depth guys and, of course, the 3rd best safety tandem in the league. So, not really terrible. But, they still could use more length and youth. Needs addressing but, not an "on fire" need, barring injury.

TE: I have no issues with this unit. Neither, does it appear, does Darnold. I never understood why the Jets always had the wimpiest of TEs during the last decade. That said, they were always expecting the TEs to compensate for a sh!!thy OL, so, bound to fail and suck. 

OLB: ah, the edge rusher. this mythical beast, part Mo Lewis, part John Abraham. Or a modern day Mark Gastineau, pre-steroid. That's what we need. But, you know, if you have all the other boxes checked, almost anyone can fill this role, imo. It's mostly great for marketing merchandise. Give me an all around playmaker. Not just a pass rushing specialist.

ILB: the guys playing there now aren't playing terribly, but it's nice to know that Mosley will be back, presumably at full strength and Williamson, eventually (or not), who can say?

Personally, I think the guys the Jets have, as a group, are active and productive. One game it's this guy, the next, it's another. All pitching in, getting it done. But, sure, it never hurts to have that marquee guy people have to scheme against.

WR: What's not to like about this unit? Crowder, elusive, a poor man's Edelman. Demarius Thomas, big, reliable hands target. Anderson, the home run hitter and, in the background Smith, another big, fast target.

Kicker: We need someone AT LEAST as reliable as Pat Leahy. C'mon man...but at least punting is very good.

I know it's easy [for me] to get giddy about the way the team is playing. I'm very skeptical, based on the recent and not recent past. But I do note that the team looks like less than sh!t now. I keep waiting for the old Jets offense and defense to return.

When the Jets were playing horribly, I thought the secondary coverage and OL play were the worst aspects of the defense and offense. But those are, like, you know, the most things. So, now, there way better. Maybe not perfect, but, 3 straight wins with pretty complete games on both sides of the ball is pretty encouraging. I mean, before, you couldn't really tell what were the greatest weakness because there were soo many. Now, at least you can say that OL knows its blocking concepts and has the physicality to execute it to an effective degree. On defense, they can actually play man coverage and zone effectively. And they make teams one-dimensional with the run defense.

LOL, sorry but this didn't get much coverage. Our DL pretty much butt fu*cked the Raider OL. They got dick all day on the ground. And I'm so sure they were expecting to get at least average gains. They got NOTHING!!

Anyway, I'm rambling...

 

 

 

 

 

[Philc1]

5 minutes ago, Rangers9 said:

The Jets apparently could have traded him recently and cut their losses. We don't know about the return offered or the teams but the rumor was teams offered multiple pieces in return. So maybe management thinks he's a work in progress and worth keeping. Maybe not overall no. 3 material but he could be a decent long term starter. Even though he's big it's hard to spot him on the field. He's no. 95. But when I have seen him he doesn't play soft he just looks soft. Look Gase and Douglas didn't draft this guy so they have no loyalty to him. And Gase made it very clear around the draft he wasn't thrilled with Mac's choices in the draft or free agency. So let's wait and see. 

We got picks for Leo with half a year on his contract and zero upside

 

Jets can absolutely get a first for Q

 

[DarnoldSchwarzeneggar369]

I didn't realize you were in charge around here.  Trust  me the  Post  is  not meant for stupid people, so I am glad you claim to ignore me.   Although, you reading and commenting on what I said is the opposite of ignoring someone.  This is what makes it so clear you are  an idiot.
You are so stupid that at this point in your pathetic life you do not know the definition of the word ignore.  I am not ignoring  you because I think you are so stupid, that  it should be pointed out to everyone.
Now let me ask do you have your own computer at group home or do you share  one?

Lol where the **** did you learn to talk sh*t? Are you on spectrum or what kid?


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[jetstream23]

34 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

rookie.......THIRD OVERALL PICK IN THE DRAFT.

He is not better than Fats (6th rounder), Sheppard (3rd rounder) and phillips rookie UDFA.

AWFUL pick considering the other holes on this team.  For him to be a good pick he had to dominate almost immediately.

He may end up being pretty good but we have a good rushing D without him so he has to get to the QB. 

We can't change where he was picked.  We can only look from this point forward.  He's here and he's not going anywhere anytime soon so the hope has to be that we see improvement and progress over the final stretch of the season and that he can take a big step next year.  What did Fats and Sheppard do last year?  Some guys don't take that leap until they've been through a full 12 months cycle in the NFL.

[jgb]

You’d think patience would be a hallmark of Jets fans given what we have been through.

[jgb]

31 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

We can't change where he was picked.  We can only look from this point forward.  He's here and he's not going anywhere anytime soon so the hope has to be that we see improvement and progress over the final stretch of the season and that he can take a big step next year.  What did Fats and Sheppard do last year?  Some guys don't take that leap until they've been through a full 12 months cycle in the NFL.

Q looks like a prime candidate to benefit from a full year of an NFL strength and conditioning program.

[Beerfish]

33 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

We can't change where he was picked.  We can only look from this point forward.  He's here and he's not going anywhere anytime soon so the hope has to be that we see improvement and progress over the final stretch of the season and that he can take a big step next year.  What did Fats and Sheppard do last year?  Some guys don't take that leap until they've been through a full 12 months cycle in the NFL.

Lower picked guys are developmental players who need time to get good.  The 3rd overall pick in the league should be damn good day one.  Especially when the team has massive holes all over the roster.

the only justification for picking a DT at 3 when you have no hole there is that the guy is going to be very very good almost immediately.

 

[BurnleyJet]

5 minutes ago, jgb said:

Q looks like a prime candidate to benefit from a full year of an NFL strength and conditioning program.

Do we do that on the Jets? - Darron Lee never got any stronger. I do wonder about Strength and conditioning on this team, has it had any effect on the record number of I.R’s we have?

[jetstream23]

6 minutes ago, jgb said:

Q looks like a prime candidate to benefit from a full year of an NFL strength and conditioning program.

He needs to be a finished product today according to several people on the board.  If he isn't Warren Sapp by now he'll never be.  Total waste.

 

[jetstream23]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Lower picked guys are developmental players who need time to get good.  The 3rd overall pick in the league should be damn good day one.  Especially when the team has massive holes all over the roster.

the only justification for picking a DT at 3 when you have no hole there is that the guy is going to be very very good almost immediately.

 

I agree he should be very good immediately but if we're measuring him only by sacks then he won't look good.  If we're measuring him as an all around player at DT then, like PFF says, he's already above average.  I'd love to see him be dominant as a rookie...he's not there yet.  Either is the #1 pick, Kyler Murray, or the #4 pick Clelin Ferrell, or the #6 pick Daniel Jones.  It simply doesn't always happen immediately for every player.