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1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:


If you watched that game and thought it was even remotely Sam’a fault you simply don’t understand football.

Quoting statistic is meaningless in a game line this.



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24:25:31

There are a few here who actually think Sam should have somehow created time to pass and a way to create a rhythm that every offense needs all on his own

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You have a team with a bunch of ordinary to bad players on it, especially on offense.  There’s no one to go to when this team needs a play to be made.  Every receiver on this roster needs a perfectly place ball in their hands to make a reception, even then they drop some.  There isn’t a guy who can go up and beat his defender when the ball is the air.   Just a bunch of slow, soft receivers and a $15 million dollar a year RB who is slower than most DTs right now.  Combine that with a bad O-line and we get what we saw today.  Need to flip this roster fast.  

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1 hour ago, 56mehl56 said:

Right but there's only so much leeway a house can shift spreads to counteract late action pouring in . In that case they essentially have to leave it luck or other means(NBA/NFL refs - cough cough) . Casinos don't profit by relying on luck .  

You are right. No luck involved. If they have uneven action they spread it to a sportsbooks with action heavy on the other side. Even is the goal. They operate like insurance companies.

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I don't think you can be mad at Gase for throwing so much. Everyone is trying to make a big deal about playing the worst run defense in the league as if they weren't also the 31st worst pass defense in the league and your qb has been on a confident roll. Put the ball in his hands. 

What I didn't like was the actual plays Gase chose to run. So much that has been working that he just decided to get away from. Why not put Bell in the slot? Get Darnold on the run, etc. Maybe there was a reason we don't know about...but I doubt it. 

Also, I understand our o-line is weak running to the outside but you have to at least try. Weakness against weakness. Don't run to their strength. If anything, at least to keep them off balance. 

However, you can't ignore penalties and drops. The players killed themselves and threw off any sort of rhythm they tried to create.  

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Just now, Alentador31 said:

I don't think you can be mad at Gase for throwing so much.

If we had better WR's the outcome might be different. 

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3 hours ago, lounap23 said:

game plan was fine early.  Execution was awful... First half was on the players..  No adjustments and continues lack of execution in the 2nd half on the CS and players

 

The whole game the announcer was saying every team attacked the edges with great success,  so what was our olan, attack the middle

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2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

You took that away from the game?  Players don't get blamed for not playing.  Grown men need to be told that on any given Sunday.....

How about CS has to figure out you aren't  winning this game by running up the middle and dropping your QB with a 5 or 7 step drop because  the grown men can't  protect him in that scheme 

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2 hours ago, Alentador31 said:

I don't think you can be mad at Gase for throwing so much. Everyone is trying to make a big deal about playing the worst run defense in the league as if they weren't also the 31st worst pass defense in the league and your qb has been on a confident roll. Put the ball in his hands. 

What I didn't like was the actual plays Gase chose to run. So much that has been working that he just decided to get away from. Why not put Bell in the slot? Get Darnold on the run, etc. Maybe there was a reason we don't know about...but I doubt it. 

Also, I understand our o-line is weak running to the outside but you have to at least try. Weakness against weakness. Don't run to their strength. If anything, at least to keep them off balance. 

However, you can't ignore penalties and drops. The players killed themselves and threw off any sort of rhythm they tried to create.  

If you think about it, OL penalties and sacks killed basically every drive.  Every drive had a big negative play (at least one) that put the jets in a hole, 2nd or 3rd and long.  The jets offense seemed capable of moving the ball, but the penalties killed any momentum.  

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3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

The whole game the announcer was saying every team attacked the edges with great success,  so what was our olan, attack the middle

They also said how the Bengals were a lot better than their record, have had a lot of close losses to some decent teams.  

And the announcers weren't saying this all game.  

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1 minute ago, Jet Nut said:

They also said how the Bengals were a lot better than their record, have had a lot of close losses to some decent teams.  

And the announcers weren't saying this all game.  

They certainly said it more than they would have had the jets run off tackle or ran some RPO plays

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1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

How about CS has to figure out you aren't  winning this game by running up the middle and dropping your QB with a 5 or 7 step drop because  the grown men can't  protect him in that scheme 

Thats twice you've said that and its based on nothing other than they couldn't run consistently being this awful OL. 

What any of this has to do with QB drops or that you actually believe their protection problems are due to running up the middle and therefore is due to bad coaching and better yet poor scheming, instead of the much easier to explain idea that the OLmen suck at their jobs.  

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1 minute ago, More Cowbell said:

They certainly said it more than they would have had the jets run off tackle or ran some RPO plays

You didn't see runs off tackle?  OK

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6 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

How about CS has to figure out you aren't  winning this game by running up the middle and dropping your QB with a 5 or 7 step drop because  the grown men can't  protect him in that scheme 

I don't know what game you watched but the Jets were in too many passing situations due to penalties that wiped out long gainers.  1st downs weren't productive and left too many 3rd and longs?  

What did Bell have 10 carries? They had another 7  carries in the game?  

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3 hours ago, NYJ1 said:

Where the hell does the OL play into this? 

Nowhere when your looking for one person to blame because its easy but at the top if you watched todays game

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34 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

If you think about it, OL penalties and sacks killed basically every drive.  Every drive had a big negative play (at least one) that put the jets in a hole, 2nd or 3rd and long.  The jets offense seemed capable of moving the ball, but the penalties killed any momentum.  

Yep. You can’t get things going and get momentum on your side if every big play is called back. Had a few defensive PI that killed us too. 

This game was def on the players more then the CS. Although I don’t love what Gregg Williams was doing this game. 

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Thats twice you've said that and its based on nothing other than they couldn't run consistently being this awful OL. 

What any of this has to do with QB drops or that you actually believe their protection problems are due to running up the middle and therefore is due to bad coaching and better yet poor scheming, instead of the much easier to explain idea that the OLmen suck at their jobs.  

Honestly, i really don't  have the patience  to spell it out for you. 

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1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

I don't know what game you watched but the Jets were in too many passing situations due to penalties that wiped out long gainers.  1st downs weren't productive and left too many 3rd and longs?  

What did Bell have 10 carries? They had another 7  carries in the game?  

You know,  I'd  really like to know what game you were watching. Did the Jets game plan attack the edges. No, it didn't. I actually said i would have like to see Darnold roll out more, and i'd like to see Bell run sweeps more last freaking week so what do we do, run right at Atkins and Dunlop all night and drop Darnold straight back when the OL was getting mauled up the middle but that is fine. This is what the a CS is suppose to do when nothing you are doing is working, keep doing the same thing. 

Freaking genius 

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Objective take is the following:

1) Sam Darnold was a little inaccurate today. Those passes I'm referring to still should have been caught, but they were just a little off. All around though, this loss was NOT his fault. He never had time to get through progressions and was never left with enough of a pocket for him to step up or even run. The OL deserted him today.

2) Jamal Adams was the invisible man today. But please someone, point out to me where his play lost the game for the Jets? You can't. His play was no highlight reel like we've become accustomed to, but it was by no means BAD play. So once again if you're trying to Jamal Adams for today's loss? GO FISH.

The OL and a real stinky-poo coaching job by Adam Gase, Greg Williams is what killed the Jets. No adjustments. They both looked like TODD BOWLES today.

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49 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

Honestly, i really don't  have the patience  to spell it out for you. 

You can't, you're talking gibberish about nothing that was relevant

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42 minutes ago, More Cowbell said:

You know,  I'd  really like to know what game you were watching. Did the Jets game plan attack the edges. No, it didn't. I actually said i would have like to see Darnold roll out more, and i'd like to see Bell run sweeps more last freaking week so what do we do, run right at Atkins and Dunlop all night and drop Darnold straight back when the OL was getting mauled up the middle but that is fine. This is what the a CS is suppose to do when nothing you are doing is working, keep doing the same thing. 

Freaking genius 

Genius?

From someone who thinks the pass protection schemes were to blame.  The Schemes, not the OLmen.  That there were effected by then run game and where the runs went.  All 17 of them.  LOL.  

Yeah, Sam needed to roll out more and Bell needed to tun sweeps and POOF, the game would have been different.  Roll outs were sealed off and not working.  They commented on it during the game.  You actually saw all the pressure coming from up the middle, nothing on the edges?  

Again, the simple answer, blame the coaches.,  Because in someones mind, the players weren't to blame today 

Freaking genius.  LOL

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7 hours ago, dbatesman said:

Thank goodness. For a second there I was concerned about our QB throwing for 5 YPA and no touchdowns against the 31st ranked pass defense in the league

Nah, he was special.

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6 hours ago, TeddEY said:

Pleased that the Jets remain undefeated in games where they were prepared.

That, my friend is the coaching.

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2 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

The whole game the announcer was saying every team attacked the edges with great success,  so what was our olan, attack the middle

I agree with your point here.   My point is the big drops on the first 2 drives killed decent game planning,.  No adjustments after that for the offense is on Gase.   We are what we are and we aren't a good team. We need the best game 3 of our offensive lineman can play to just be an average functional OL. Our RB blocking is awful.  It is literally worse than our pass blocking.

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The Lions and the Browns get to do a champagne toast now that the last winless team finally got their first victory of the season. 

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I’m proud of Gase.  In his first season, he lost to the 0-7 Dolphins and the 0-11 Bengals. That’s quite an accomplishment!

 

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4 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

Nah, he was special.

the SDAC has dipped him in teflon

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Gase still has a chance to get swept by the Dolphins. They can still finish ahead of us.  

Btw, how much better is Brian Flores than Gase?  I really think the Dolphins found themselves a legit good HC. Meanwhile, we’re stuck with the lunatic for at least another year. 

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11 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Agree 

There has to be better OL on the waiver wire or on other teams practice squads this group is the worst in the NFL. 

Lets not forget the same group wasn't this bad last season. Pollack has to be held accountable too.

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14 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

Totally not ready to play today. No imagination on play calling, Defense looked lost the entire forst half. 

It didn’t need imagination. It needed Bell to run the ball 25 times and catch the ball 10 times. Gase literally has no idea how to use the guy. Why would you not use a guy with his resume ? It makes no sense.

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7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Genius?

From someone who thinks the pass protection schemes were to blame.  The Schemes, not the OLmen.  That there were effected by then run game and where the runs went.  All 17 of them.  LOL.  

Yeah, Sam needed to roll out more and Bell needed to tun sweeps and POOF, the game would have been different.  Roll outs were sealed off and not working.  They commented on it during the game.  You actually saw all the pressure coming from up the middle, nothing on the edges?  

Again, the simple answer, blame the coaches.,  Because in someones mind, the players weren't to blame today 

Freaking genius.  LOL

See, we did see two different  games. What you are talking about is improvisation or improvised escapes due to pressure, what i am talking about is designed play where the OL actually pulls to one side. Did you even see that attempted because all i saw were players trying to block straight on. I mean did you watch Houston NE? Houston ran designed rollouts where blockers protected the side Watson ran to and Watson didn't  drop back and then ran, he took the snap and he was running towards the sideline. We did this about one time all season. 

This game plan was retarded. We didn't  even try to change it. Yes, the OL sucks, Compton is horrible but by this time, week 13 i think, you have to come up with a plan B if your OL can't  handle pressure up the middle. It has been happening all season. Don't  tell me it's  impossible. Roll away from the pressure  and go where it isn't or at least try. We didn't  try. 

 

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