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The OL had played pretty well in recent weeks.  They were terrible yesterday but it's not fair to throw all of them out because of that.  Remember how bad Mangold and brick looked in 2007? Then they added Woody and Faneca and all of a sudden they started playing like all pros.  OL is a unit that needs all 5 on the same page.  When they aren't they all look bad.

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15 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

I’m old enough to remember that people were defending this clown until the day he got fired and said it was fine he got to spend money and draft this offseason. 

To be fair, the healthy team we see on the field is nothing like we expected to see.  A fully healthy team is a playoff contender this year, they have been ravaged by injury and illness.  

Even with all the adversity we already have as many wins as we had a year ago.

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22 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Quit this. It’s not even remotely true. The offensive line sucked out loud even healthy. This was always a 4-6 win team. Please. 

If healthy this is a playoff caliber team.  Before yesterday people were talking playoffs.  If Sam never gets mono we have 2-3 more wins alone.  If relatively healthy this team was capable of competing, unfortunately they were destroyed by injuries, illness and suspensions. 

With all the injuries, illness and suspensions we've won 4 so to say 4-6 when healthy is beyond laughable.

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9 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

They lost to the Dolphins and the Bengals. You’re insane. Stop. 

The dolphins now have 3 wins, the Bengals lost close games to Seattle, Pitt, Baltimore among others.

 

With everything going wrong we already have 4 wins.  

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6 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

“Everything going wrong”. You mean letting Macc do FA and the draft? Or the hiring of Adam Gase?

No I mean QB playing with mono week 1 then missing 3 weeks.

Backup QB not lasting a half and having to lay 3 games with a practice squad QB.

OL never playing together in preseason then dropping like flies once season begins

Big weapon at TE suspended to start the season then plays 1 game and is out for the year

Top WR out for the year

Best defensive player  and big FA signing didn't last through game 1 after losing another starting LB in preseason.

Losing all our corners

 

I can go on and on.  If you don't think we've had issues we couldn't control I can't help you.

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31 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

The Steelers have been without Big Ben for weeks and they’re in the playoff hunt with an UDFA at the most important position and winning games. Don’t act like it can’t be done. Gase mailed in it for weeks and no one here cared to call him out on it. 

Injuries happen to every team. Coaching matters. The Jets have a bottom tier roster and a bottom tier head coach. Celebrating having 4 wins with one of the easiest schedules in the league is depressing. 

So because one UDFA succeeds it means all must? How were that doing lately with 3rd pick Mason Rudolph?

Tomlin has done his best coaching job, that has nothing to do with the Jets.

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3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

No. I’m saying Gase mailed it in when Sam was out and didn’t even try. 

That's a different argument but with no OL and a guy who wasn't ready to play in the NFL he was in an impossible spot.

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29 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

No OL but a playoff roster? That doesn’t compute, hoss. 

The OL we thought we had never really materialized.  On paper we had a much improved OL, they barely played together.

 

Again, you say 4-6 wins healthy but we had 4 after 11 games with a decimated roster.

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17 hours ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What OL did you think we had? Question marks all along it? Even 100% healthy the line was below average. 

100% healthy it looked good on paper.  It takes time for an OL to be able to communicate and perform their best.  They Never played together in preseason so it was going to take a little while for them to come together.  They weren't going to be great but on paper we had an above average OL.  Unfortunately that barely played together and the OL has been worse than we've seen probably since the 2007 season.

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7 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Well we just have to agree to disagree because they were average to below average at multiple spots in an ideal scenario. Not one player was above average coming into this season. It’s crazy to think otherwise. 

Ok but please explain how you said even completely healthy we'd only win 4-6 games when injury ravaged (and illness and suspensions) we already have 4 ?

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On 12/2/2019 at 8:51 AM, CrazyCarl40 said:

Quit this. It’s not even remotely true. The offensive line sucked out loud even healthy. This was always a 4-6 win team. Please. 

Always was a 4-6 win team except injury ravaged(including Sam's illness) we won 7 games. Imagine what a somewhat healthy roster could have done?  I think we'd be playing this weekend.

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56 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Which players that missed significant time would have changed losses to wins? It was a 4-6 win team talent wise, but they got lucky to play one of the worst schedules in the league. 

They started 11-12 different OL, Enunwa played one game, Herndon one game, Thomas came late and was hurt a bunch of games, Sam missed 3 games and played one with mono, we lost most of our LBs, Adams missed a couple of games, Williams missed time.  Are you kidding me?

You said fully healthy it was a 4-6 win team, with the team as injury ravaged as we have ever seen they won 7.

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4 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Which games that they lost would they have won fully healthy?

Other teams had just as many injuries, with higher quality players and did better. 

The only reason they won 7 games is because they played terrible teams with backup QBs and the defense over performed. 

No team had as many injuries along with suspensions and Sam's illness.

They would have beat Buffalo week 1, could have beat Cleveland, Philly, Jax, Miami, Cincy, 

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23 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Look at the Eagles without their top three wideouts and top three running backs and then tell me again. 

Injuries are a part of the game. Now it’s a crutch and an excuse. I’m over the excuses. Time to put up or shut up in 2020. 

The Jets went 3-1 vs the NFC East (the lone loss coming with a practice squad QB) they would have had a chance to win that division and Philly didn't have anywhere near the injuries the Jets had.

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Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

The Jets are not in the NFC east. But. Cool. 

And Philly has more impactful injuries. That’s just facts. Better players at more important positions. 

The fact that their QB was healthy for 16 games and ours 12 negates that statement immediately.

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1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

The Eagles won a Super Bowl with a backup. Coaching matters. And Carson Wentz threw for 4K yards without one wide receiver having more than 500 yards. So please go somewhere else with your injury excuses. It doesn’t hold water. 

They won a SB with a QB that was a playoff QB as a starter that made a pro bowl not a practice squad QB that never took an NFL snap before.

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