Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 DI Quinnen Williams, New York Jets This may be the most surprising rookie performance of the 2019 season. After recording the highest single-season grade of any defensive player we have graded in the PFF College era at 96.0, Quinnen Williams was getting a lot of attention and was even being considered by some to be a better prospect than the second overall pick Nick Bosa. Williams ended up going third overall to the New York Jets and everyone thought they got the safest pick in the Draft. Thus far in 2019, that’s not even remotely close to being the case. Williams has produced an overall grade of 67.4, ranking 46th among 76 interior defensive linemen. He has made a few plays in run defense and made his way to the 37th best run-defense grade at 70.5. However, Williams’ run-defense isn’t the issue – it’s his pass-rushing. Williams drops all the way down to 60th in PFF pass-rush grade at 57.2, has produced pressure at an astronomically low rate of 4.7% and has won on just 7.3% of his reps. Injury had gotten to Williams early on, but he’s been healthy as of late and has still made little to no impact plays. There’s more optimism with Williams than any other rookie in PFF’s stock down report, but his play thus far is certainly cause for concern. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-stock-up-stock-down-nfl-rookies-week-13-2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bungaman Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 He's an overwhelmed kid on a bad team. I will give him another year before passing judgement. 10 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 PFF is trash. Maybe QW is too, I don't know. PFF doesn't know either though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Beerfish Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Blew it by not trading him, they will never get an offer like the one they supposidley got. Sunk cost now. He will end up being another leo, okay player always 'almost' good. Awful draft pick but then again moron chris johnson gave mac one last off season to screw the team. 5 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team archer Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 -rolls eyes vigorously- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 This Thanksgiving I certainly wasn’t thankful for Mike Maccagnan 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Only the Jets draft run stuffers 3rd overall. Jesus Christ. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 He will only get much better in the offseason. Look at the difference in Nathan Shepherd. But I don’t know if he ever even makes the Pro Bowl. This was a terrible draft pick. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Warfish Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: DI Quinnen Williams, New York Jets This may be the most surprising rookie performance of the 2019 season. After recording the highest single-season grade of any defensive player we have graded in the PFF College era at 96.0, Quinnen Williams was getting a lot of attention and was even being considered by some to be a better prospect than the second overall pick Nick Bosa. Williams ended up going third overall to the New York Jets and everyone thought they got the safest pick in the Draft. Thus far in 2019, that’s not even remotely close to being the case. Williams has produced an overall grade of 67.4, ranking 46th among 76 interior defensive linemen. He has made a few plays in run defense and made his way to the 37th best run-defense grade at 70.5. However, Williams’ run-defense isn’t the issue – it’s his pass-rushing. Williams drops all the way down to 60th in PFF pass-rush grade at 57.2, has produced pressure at an astronomically low rate of 4.7% and has won on just 7.3% of his reps. Injury had gotten to Williams early on, but he’s been healthy as of late and has still made little to no impact plays. There’s more optimism with Williams than any other rookie in PFF’s stock down report, but his play thus far is certainly cause for concern. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-stock-up-stock-down-nfl-rookies-week-13-2019 There, I made it a little smaller. A few folks could still read it before. 1 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bleedin Green Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 The pick was mind-numbingly stupid from the moment it was made. There's nowhere near the positional value to justify #3 overall, and worse yet was the fifth repetition of the same idiotic failure. I've been rooting for Quinnen to be great, because he's here now no matter what I thought initially, but it was excessively unlikely he would ever be able to justify the pick. Now, at this point, he just needs to prove himself to be any more than a complete JAG. Giving Maccagnan another draft cemented CJ as the unquestionably dumber of the Johnsons, which is no easy task. 14 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, varjet said: He will only get much better in the offseason. Look at the difference in Nathan Shepherd. But I don’t know if he ever even makes the Pro Bowl. This was a terrible draft pick. I’m not looking to argue, but what does Shepherd have to do with Q? All of a sudden all our guys improve in their 2nd year? What happened to Leo then? It’s not like Shepherd is some all pro either. He’s barely a jag, and just reached that level.You guys go overboard every time someone here has a decent game. Last week people were talking about Blessaun Austin like he was Deion. This is a horrible team. You need a lot of horrible players to be horrible. At this point QW might be another... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Q has been a disappointment to say the least , that being said Football is the hardest of the sports to judge based on stats. There are just WAY to many variables as compared to say baseball or even basketball. Not that I think Q has been good, just sayin you don’t need PFF to tell you he’s been bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Well, whatever the Bengals OL decided to do to neutralize him? It worked. He was not at all disruptive like he was last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said: Q has been a disappointment to say the least , that being said Football is the hardest of the sports to judge based on stats. There are just WAY to many variables as compared to say baseball or even basketball. Not that I think Q has been good, just sayin you don’t need PFF to tell you he’s been bad The comparable Coffee Boy tried to sell was Aaron Donald, and he isn't close to that. Don't like the fact he was mostly a good player on a very Bama good defense. He wasn't the gamebreaker they sold him as. And what I really don't like is while DTs are big guys, he clearly is not well-conditioned. They had 3-4 months to get him in the weight room, and looks like that didn't really happen. Whether he's lazy or a lack of direction, same difference. We will be in the same boat we just got out of with Leo when his rookie deal gets close to it's end. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, NYJ1 said: Well, whatever the Bengals OL decided to do to neutralize him? It worked. He was not at all disruptive like he was last week. He was often singled by the center, a guy who's coming out of his crouch every down. There wasn't a double team all day that I saw. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 #SafePick What a franchise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SAR I Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 Save us, Joe Douglas. SAR I 6 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Very early still, but it does look bad right now, especially when Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, and Ed Oliver are all doing great. Only the Jets.... Then again, with our luck, even if they drafted one of those players, they'd probably be looking bad here and QW would be doing well on other team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 As a pass rusher, he rarely provides any kind of push at the line. He gets stood up a lot of the time and also gets knocked off his feet quite a bit. When you watch him on passing plays, a lot of the time he’s moving laterally across the line of scrimmage looking for a gap to run through instead of attacking. I don’t see him turning into anything more than a Snacks Harrison II. Hope I’m wrong. I think part of the problem is a lack of strength. Note that his agent pulled him out of the bench press at the combine because of a “finger injury.” 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturalscience Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Tried to keep an eye on him today. He reminded me of Dewayne Robertson. I don't see the quick feet or burst some were talking about here. Kinda looked like he was running in mud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: DI Quinnen Williams, New York Jets This may be the most surprising rookie performance of the 2019 season. After recording the highest single-season grade of any defensive player we have graded in the PFF College era at 96.0, Quinnen Williams was getting a lot of attention and was even being considered by some to be a better prospect than the second overall pick Nick Bosa. Williams ended up going third overall to the New York Jets and everyone thought they got the safest pick in the Draft. Thus far in 2019, that’s not even remotely close to being the case. Williams has produced an overall grade of 67.4, ranking 46th among 76 interior defensive linemen. He has made a few plays in run defense and made his way to the 37th best run-defense grade at 70.5. However, Williams’ run-defense isn’t the issue – it’s his pass-rushing. Williams drops all the way down to 60th in PFF pass-rush grade at 57.2, has produced pressure at an astronomically low rate of 4.7% and has won on just 7.3% of his reps. Injury had gotten to Williams early on, but he’s been healthy as of late and has still made little to no impact plays. There’s more optimism with Williams than any other rookie in PFF’s stock down report, but his play thus far is certainly cause for concern. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-stock-up-stock-down-nfl-rookies-week-13-2019 Leo was a huge bust. But at least serviceable. Not that you’d accept that with a guy taken with the 6th puck. But Leo, compared to QW, is like Randy White. QW has just been awful. Another colossal bust by Macc. Trade him now and get what you can. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Bugg said: The comparable Coffee Boy tried to sell was Aaron Donald, and he isn't close to that. Don't like the fact he was mostly a good player on a very Bama good defense. He wasn't the gamebreaker they sold him as. And what I really don't like is while DTs are big guys, he clearly is not well-conditioned. They had 3-4 months to get him in the weight room, and looks like that didn't really happen. Whether he's lazy or a lack of direction, same difference. We will be in the same boat we just got out of with Leo when his rookie deal gets close to it's end. Gee something to look forward to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Blew it by not trading him, they will never get an offer like the one they supposidley got. Sunk cost now. He will end up being another leo, okay player always 'almost' good. Awful draft pick but then again moron chris johnson gave mac one last off season to screw the team. What offer???? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 He’s easily handled on most plays. With little strength, agility, quickness or pass rushing moves, he’s got a low floor (rotational player) and low ceiling (maybe Leonard Williams caliber). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonaldJet Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Will Quinnen ever be worth his draft slot? Probably not...it was a terrible pick from jump. I do think he will have a solid career. It’s obvious the kid needs a year in the weight room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 It will take a monumental turnaround to get this pick worth it. He’s so young and was thought so highly of that I’m praying he somehow does but he looks slow and soft with almost no flashes. i am forever ? against everybody drafting a DL in the first two rounds ever again. I don’t care who it is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, Wonderboy said: What offer???? "It was no secret that the New York Jets were fielding calls and open for business ahead of the NFL's trade deadline Tuesday. But one player they weren't willing to deal was 2019 first-round defensive tackle Quinnen Williams despite receiving serious interest from a mystery team. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter: "At least one team kept coming at the Jets, refusing to take no for an answer and offering a blockbuster package of picks that it thought New York could not turn down, according to sources. But no matter how many times that team and others called, New York refused to budge on Williams."" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BurnleyJet Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, Beerfish said: "It was no secret that the New York Jets were fielding calls and open for business ahead of the NFL's trade deadline Tuesday. But one player they weren't willing to deal was 2019 first-round defensive tackle Quinnen Williams despite receiving serious interest from a mystery team. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter: "At least one team kept coming at the Jets, refusing to take no for an answer and offering a blockbuster package of picks that it thought New York could not turn down, according to sources. But no matter how many times that team and others called, New York refused to budge on Williams."" I hope they call again.. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wonderboy Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said: I hope they call again.. who is it? i'll call them. 3 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan4life90 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: "It was no secret that the New York Jets were fielding calls and open for business ahead of the NFL's trade deadline Tuesday. But one player they weren't willing to deal was 2019 first-round defensive tackle Quinnen Williams despite receiving serious interest from a mystery team. According to ESPN's Adam Schefter: "At least one team kept coming at the Jets, refusing to take no for an answer and offering a blockbuster package of picks that it thought New York could not turn down, according to sources. But no matter how many times that team and others called, New York refused to budge on Williams."" Not that I'm giving up on QW this early, but if that's actually true, how in the world do you turn that down?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 QW might end up being a good some day it can day a year or so to get it. He has show. Some ability but not any dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 josh allen has 9 sacks nyj have no sac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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