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The Class of '18 QBs are really Only as Good as their Situations

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Talk about results-based analysis. 

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2 hours ago, slats said:

QBs, in general, get way too much credit, and way too much blame. In the end, they're one player in an organization. Perhaps the most important, but just one. 

Good players have a hard time shining when they're on bad teams. Crap, look at Le'V Bell. He came here being touted as one of the best players in the league, and his impact on the Jets has been next to nothing. 

To me, it's not surprising that Jackson is balling with the Ravens, Rosen has nearly washed out going from Arizona to Miami, and Darnold and Mayfield have been inconsistent (at best) on two of the league's perennially bad teams. There's a reason guys like Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon can be Super Bowl champions while Jim Kelly, Dan Marino, and Warren Moon can't. Football is the ultimate team game, and the NFL is the ultimate organizational game. 

Disagree. Didn't say bad QBs couldn't win SBs. Only that a good QB keeps you relevant and mostly in the hunt nearly every year. Obviously there are exceptions.

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12 minutes ago, slats said:

Good QBs keep you in the hunt with a good team around them. Bad teams, injuries, etc., can remove the best QBs from said hunt. The QB's a critical piece, of course, but the idea that they make their own situation is silly, IMHO. Especially when you're talking about second year players. 

Again disagree look no further than a colts with manning and without. Went from perennial contender to atrocious. Granted this is an extreme example.

But if I’m given a choice: (1) elite QB/bad team and (2) great team/mediocre QB I’m taking number 1. 100 roads to a super bowl, 95 start with a great QB. Team 1 above has a better shot in coming years of winning it all IMHO.

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21 minutes ago, slats said:

Peyton Manning is generally considered to be one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game. In his 16 year career, he managed to get to a second playoff game six times. He's credited with two post-season game-winning drives over that time. If he couldn't, "make his own situation," who can? Not Kelly, Marino, etc. 

I've never once discounted the importance of a great QB, just this supposition that said QB, "makes his own situation." You expect him to elevate it, as Manning certainly did over his career, but there are just to many other factors when it comes to the NFL. 

 

Look at it  this way think of the last ten QBs to win the Super Bowl. Don’t see a lot of average guys on that list.

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, and Nick Foles. Runners up include Goff, Newton, and Kaepernick. 

Exactly. Disagree on Eli btw.

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1 hour ago, slats said:

Why? Was Eli creating his own situation? One of those rare greats who also led the NFL in interceptions a few seasons? If you think Eli is a great QB, then you've effectively destroyed your own argument that good QBs make their own situations (the statement that started this conversation). In a 15-year career, Eli got his team to double-digit wins exactly five times. He didn't complete over 60% of his passes until his fifth year in the league. People already done with Darnold would've dumped Eli as a rookie. 

Try to argue without conclusory statements please “you’ve destroyed your own argument!” If you got the goods put em up.

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14 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Kinda see Eli as a special case. He’s obviously not an all time great but he had a good arm, was tough as sh*t and was capable of beating good defenses with his arm.Flacco was almost that guy but things fell apart for him for whatever reason. 

Eli gets no love here because “Giants.” 

If Eli were a Jet, he would have produced something like the top 7-8 QB seasons in our entire history. He would have a very strong case as the best Jet ever. It’s also funny when people harp on his three years of leading the league in INTs but also consider Joe Namath and Brett Favre all-time greats.

He is a great player from an iconic franchise and will be in the HOF. And when that day happens this board will be entertaining as Hell.

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