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The Class of '18 QBs are really Only as Good as their Situations

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You're right, QB's and their production is usually directly related to their circumstances, modified by their own ability to raise those around them to a higher level.

I like examples, lets use examples!

One of the QB's below was a first round pick who has played under multiple coaches, including one of the worst coaches ever, has suffered under a horrible O-line with not nearly enough time, has limited and/or weak Offensive weapons, has missed time due to injuries and other causes, for a bad bad team under poor management and a meddlesome owner.  Has been accused of having happy feet at times, and holding the ball too long by some.

The other QB below was a first round pick who played under multiple coaches, including one of the worst coaches ever, had suffered under a horrible O-line with not nearly enough time, had limited and/or weak Offensive weapons, had missed time due to injuries and other causes, playing for a bad, bad team under poor management with a meddlesome owner.  Was accused of having happy feet and holding the ball too long by some.

QB #1

23 Starts to begin career, 9 wins, 14 losses, 465 for 836 (55.6%) for 5,370 Yards (6.4 YPA), 33 TD's, 28 INT's, Sacked 71 times.

QB #2

22 Starts to begin career, 8 wins, 14 losses, 435 for 725 (60.0%) for 5,019 Yards (6.9 YPA), 30 TD's, 25 INT's, Sacked 57 times.

Startlingly similar stat lines.

As I always hoped for one, that he would get a real opportunity to show that he was better than his stat-line showed, I still hope the same for the second, active, QB.

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9 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Josh Allen doesn't "stink". He's developing pretty well. 

Remember Barry, records, stats and metrics are Satan's tools, used only to doubt the faithful, to tempt them from the one True Path of Sam.  

Even if it looks like another QB is "better", he isn't.

Even if it looks like another QB, in almost exactly the same circumstances, is the same or better than Sam, he's not. 

Sam is elite.  Special.  The Holy scion of the Marlboro Man, Bless his soul.  Unquestionable and holy.  

So sayeth the Samites.

Amen. 😎

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32 minutes ago, Dinamite said:

Interesting, who is QB 1? David Carr? Brady Quinn?

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Patrick Ramsey.  

Played for the abyssmal Steve Spurrior-led Redskins in his QB-of-the day system before being inherited by Joe Gibbs (who dumped him for his own guy, future Jet and former all-pro Mark Brunell, who was materially worse his first year in DC, but did pretty good in Gibbs second year after Ramsey was benched and the team in many ways completely rebuilt by Gibbs).

Played behind an O-line that makes ours look like All-Pros.  Sacked 71 times in those first 23 games, some on him, most on the line.  Dude was beat down.  

Played with almost no legit Offensive skill players for that era, guys like a declining Rod Gardner, Trung Candidate, Darnerian McCants, Zeron Flemister, and their one shining light for one of Ramsey's years, in .... a certain ex-Jet named Lavernius Coleslaw.  He had Stephen Davis his first year at RB (before he was cut loose), but Davis was hurt that year and limited.  He had Clinton Portis, who WAS quite good in his third year (Portis's first with DC), a Bell equivalent for the era (and a similar big signing at the time after Portis left Denver).  

I watched alot of those games.  Always liked Ramsey, felt he had a raw deal in DC.

And now, ironicly, Sam Darnold has put up a first 22 games that is an almost mirror image of the first 23 games of Patrick Ramsey.  Darnold is materially more accurate, but not more productive, and with a near-exact balance of TD's to INT's as Ramsey.  And Darnold got sacked and pressured a hell of alot less.

Darnold is 1000x the prospect Ramsey ever was.  And I have no doubt he will go on and do better.  But in very similar circumstances, with very similar bad teams, and horrible O-line, and limited O-skill players, under poor coaches (Bowles, Spurrior), and multiple systems, with injuries, and a boatload of sacks, with a penchant to hold it too long and have happy feet, these two QB's put up almost exactly the same yards, wins and TD's/INT's.  

It's amazing.  Slats is right, it's hard to win or produce in this circumstance.

Unlike Ramsey, whose career was effectively over after Gibbs dumped him, Darnold will get at least another two full seasons (IMO) to prove he can do better.

 

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3 minutes ago, slats said:

Darnold would've dumped Eli as a rookie. 

Who are these people already done with Darnold?  Are these actual posters, or just a foil to make a point?

Because I see alot of "Darnold must improve" posts, not "Darnold must be cut" posts.

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2 minutes ago, slats said:

We had people in here before last year's draft calling for the Jets to take a QB in the first round. 

Maybe we should have a poll, because "we have some posters" means very little.  Two fools calling for it does not a movement make.

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