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The Class of '18 QBs are really Only as Good as their Situations

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On the real, I hated both Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen as prospects and both look legit.  Neither are going to carve you up from the pocket but both are considerably better passers than I thought would be in the NFL.  And both are a big plays waiting to happen either through the air or on the ground.  Both are terribly hard to defend because they run like a RB/FB/WR/Kick Returner when it all breaks down.  Neither have a single WR worthy of mention and their RB's are as Jagy as Jags get.   While their situation is better, that's not the only reason they're successful.  They're both pretty friggin good.

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54 minutes ago, slats said:

It's true. I'd never seen a coverage sack before. 

I didn't bring any agenda in here other than to point out that you can rank the QBs from the '18 draft from top to bottom by the stability they've enjoyed the first two years. It's not an excuse for Darnold, but the "no weaponzzzz," crowd loves to dismiss that football is the ultimate team game. And simple-minded people like to find one thing or person to blame. There's plenty of blame to go around for what's going wrong with the Jets (or the Browns, or the fish, etc.), just as there's credit to spread around for teams like the Ravens and Bills this year. 

Sam has to get better, and the team has to get better. People can whine all they want about it, but Darnold & Gase are both gonna be here next season. I'm gonna hope they improve, and root for them to. I hope Gase really is good at offense, and that another year in the same system generates a big jump for Sam next year. Why? Because I really prefer that to bitching and moaning.  

Well said.  I'll never understand the need to isolate blame or fame around here when everyone knows this game more than any other is predicated on the team rather than the individual.  It's why we love the sport.

HC's and QB's will always get more credit and more blame than they deserve, so that's too be expected but for some reason it still baffles in me how in one hand you can say - this is the worst team in Football and Mac was the worst GM ever.  And in the other say - Adam Gase and Sam Darnold are terrible and need to be replaced.  Bad teams are inconsistent and are up and down week to week because they're bad Football teams.  Expecting Gase and Darnold to instantly click and overcome the lack of talent is kind of a ridiculous ask. 

I understand having concerns with what you're seeing but for the sake of this argument, I think that's where comparisons really arent fair.  Lamar Jackson coming into a great franchise like the Ravens with a Super Bowl winning Head Coach who has been in place for 11 years isnt exactly the same as Sam Darnold playing for one of the worst franchises in all of sports with Todd Bowles and Adam Gase in his first 2 seasons with his 2nd GM on arguably the least talented team in the NFL.  

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52 minutes ago, bitonti said:

there's a middle ground between "playing at an elite level" and "missing a month by getting the kissing disease from sweathogs" 

Sam Darnold gets no more benefit of the doubt 

it's time to grow up and be a professional i.e. don't celebrate like it's 99 when you're 4-7 

I kind of feel like a fair middle ground is improving in every single passing category from year 1 to 2 and actually getting one of the worst teams in the NFL to a 4-5 record when you're the starter.

But hey, that's just me.

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46 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

was a while back that I mentioned Alex Smith...  he went at least 5 yrs consecutive w/ changing OCs...  but he gradually played better and better.,..

Darnold looks considerably better than Smith at this point in their careers. 

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Just now, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

2018 DVOA: -15.2%

2019 DVOA: -16.7%

Cool.

He's up in comp %, up in YPG, up in TD %, down in INT % and has as many wins in less games than he did last season.

Oh and he's up in all those categories despite playing for an injury plagued team who happens to be the worst team in the NFL developed by the worst GM in the history of the league.

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2 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Quite the conundrum isn’t it?

The douchey guy who played in Cleveland, of all places last year, got all the “terrible” commercials.

The young clean cut kid who plays in the media capital of the world, practically on Madison Avenue got nothing but mono.

Life can be cruel.

Are you saying that because the Heisman winning, first overall pick draws a lot of attention to himself by running around like a lunatic after anytime he scores a TD so he gets more commercials than other QB's in the class including the New York Jets QB that he's better than the rest?  

Weird way of looking at it but right on!  Not sure how this make life cruel but try to keep your chin up! 

 

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55 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

They hadn't calculated the Nati game in yet...

Dak Prescott is the best QB in the NFL! 

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