"Adam Gase was held back by the awful Ryan Tannehill"

[freestater]

 

He's doing better than ever after getting away from Gase's genius. Much like Jay Ajayi did. Gase is so brilliant that he sets up his players to excel...as soon as they leave his dumb***kery behind. 

[Barry McCockinner]

I'm sure there's a perfectly good excuse. There always is for Gase.

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, freestater said:

 

He's doing better than ever after getting away from Gase's genius. Much like Jay Ajayi did. Gase is so brilliant that he sets up his players to excel...as soon as they leave his dumb***kery behind. 

His best year was under Gase.  This Tannehill hysteria is reminiscent of early in 2018 when folks on here were claiming he was an MVP candidate.  Tennessee is winning because of Derrick Henry and great D/STs.  They literally won the game the other day when their STs blocked a FG and returned it for a TD.  This was after the D forced a TO and Ten started on the Ind 14 to kick the game tying FG.

 

You also must know Jay Ajayi's best season was under Gase, right?

[Barry McCockinner]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

His best year was under Gase.  This Tannehill hysteria is reminiscent of early in 2018 when folks on here were claiming he was an MVP candidate.  Tennessee is winning because of Derrick Henry and great D/STs.  They literally won the game the other day when their STs blocked a FG and returned it for a TD.  This was after the D forced a TO and Ten started on the Ind 14 to kick the game tying FG.

 

You also must know Jay Ajayi's best season was under Gase, right?

Wrong Thread

[sec101row23]

This isn’t some defense of Gase but, the 3 years Gase was coach Tannehill only played in 24 games for Gase.  I don’t think people were saying Tannehill’s abilities were holding Gase back, it was just his availability.  

[Losmeister]

5 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Tennessee is winning because of Derrick Henry and great D/STs.  They literally won the game the other day when their STs blocked a FG and returned it for a TD.

exactly.

now.

you tell me...  what would you say the football iq of jn posters is, on average?

sheesh, righ?

 

[sec101row23]

6 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

His best year was under Gase.  This Tannehill hysteria is reminiscent of early in 2018 when folks on here were claiming he was an MVP candidate.  Tennessee is winning because of Derrick Henry and great D/STs.  They literally won the game the other day when their STs blocked a FG and returned it for a TD.  This was after the D forced a TO and Ten started on the Ind 14 to kick the game tying FG.

 

You also must know Jay Ajayi's best season was under Gase, right?

2014 and 2015 were Tannehill’s best seasons.  They were not with Gase as HC.  

[nyjunc]

In the stretch of games he can started they have beaten one good team- KC.  They beat them by a score and the D had a TD.  KC was also in the middle of a stretch where they struggled where they lost 4 of 6.

The biggest reason though? Derrick Henry.

Games with Mariota starting:

113 carries, 416 yds, 3.7 YPC

With Tannehill starting:

119 carries, 724 yds, 6.1 YPC

 

 

[Jet Nut]

8 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

This isn’t some defense of Gase but, the 3 years Gase was coach Tannehill only played in 24 games for Gase.  I don’t think people were saying Tannehill’s abilities were holding Gase back, it was just his availability.  

No.  Playing hurt or missing more time than playing.  Playing on a lousy roster in Miami.  Same thing as playing this year on a pretty good Tenn team.  For what 4 games?

All things are equal and this is just an excuse.  

 

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

2014 and 2015 were Tannehill’s best seasons.  They were not with Gase as HC.  

2016 was his best season. He has never played up to his numbers but his best numbers came with Gase and his only winning season.  

Highest comp %

Highest rating

Best record

Some of the cumulative numbers weren't as good because he missed almost 4 games.

[greenwichjetfan]

13 minutes ago, freestater said:

 

He's doing better than ever after getting away from Gase's genius. Much like Jay Ajayi did. Gase is so brilliant that he sets up his players to excel...as soon as they leave his dumb***kery behind. 

Have you heard the one about Gase’s blowout losses? It’s a doozie.

[freestater]

23 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

His best year was under Gase.  This Tannehill hysteria is reminiscent of early in 2018 when folks on here were claiming he was an MVP candidate.  Tennessee is winning because of Derrick Henry and great D/STs.  They literally won the game the other day when their STs blocked a FG and returned it for a TD.  This was after the D forced a TO and Ten started on the Ind 14 to kick the game tying FG.

 

You also must know Jay Ajayi's best season was under Gase, right?

What part of "second highest scoring offense" has you confused?

[Losmeister]

Gase negatively impacts everythng...

[Warfish]

39 minutes ago, freestater said:

 

He's doing better than ever after getting away from Gase's genius. Much like Jay Ajayi did. Gase is so brilliant that he sets up his players to excel...as soon as they leave his dumb***kery behind. 

I think it's safe to say that fantasy is now quite clearly shown to be false.  

[T0mShane]

37 minutes ago, freestater said:

 

He's doing better than ever after getting away from Gase's genius. Much like Jay Ajayi did. Gase is so brilliant that he sets up his players to excel...as soon as they leave his dumb***kery behind. 

Adam Gase coached Ryan Tannehill for 24 starts over three seasons. He missed all of 2017 with a knee injury, then only made eleven starts in 2018. His stats were pretty good under Gase when he was healthy, which was relatively rare. This is lazy. Also, Jay Ajayi is out of the league.

[Barry McCockinner]

39 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

In the stretch of games he can started they have beaten one good team- KC.  They beat them by a score and the D had a TD.  KC was also in the middle of a stretch where they struggled where they lost 4 of 6.

The biggest reason though? Derrick Henry.

Games with Mariota starting:

113 carries, 416 yds, 3.7 YPC

With Tannehill starting:

119 carries, 724 yds, 6.1 YPC

 

 

 

Mariota & Tannehill have both started 6 games

Tannehill: 72.7 completion percentage, 1602 yards, 12 TD/4 INT
Mariota: 59.1 completion percentage, 1179 yards, 7 TD/2 INT

Why do you think Henry has had so much more success since Tannehill came in?

[Warfish]

36 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

His best year was under Gase.

By what metric?

Passing

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					96	94	47-47-0	1957	3087	63.4	22036	135	4.4	79	2.6	1076	80	7.1	6.9	11.3	229.5	88.6		272	2063	5.95	5.69	8.1	17	16	61
6 yrs		MIA			88	88	42-46-0	1829	2911	62.8	20434	123	4.2	75	2.6	1001	80	7.0	6.7	11.2	232.2	87.0		248	1885	5.87	5.58	7.9	15	13	61
1 yr		TEN			8	6	5-1-0	128	176	72.7	1602	12	6.8	4	2.3	75	65	9.1	9.4	12.5	200.3	113.9		24	178	7.12	7.42	12.0	2	3
2012	24	MIA	QB	17	16	16	7-9-0	282	484	58.3	3294	12	2.5	13	2.7	151	80	6.8	6.1	11.7	205.9	76.1	48.4	35	234	5.90	5.23	6.7	1	1	10
2013	25	MIA	QB	17	16	16	8-8-0	355	588	60.4	3913	24	4.1	17	2.9	204	67	6.7	6.2	11.0	244.6	81.7	49.3	58	399	5.44	5.00	9.0	4	3	10
2014	26	MIA	QB	17	16	16	8-8-0	392	590	66.4	4045	27	4.6	12	2.0	225	50	6.9	6.9	10.3	252.8	92.8	59.3	46	337	5.83	5.83	7.2	2	1	14
2015	27	MIA	QB	17	16	16	6-10-0	363	586	61.9	4208	24	4.1	12	2.0	195	54	7.2	7.1	11.6	263.0	88.7	46.3	45	420	6.00	5.91	7.1	2	2	11
2016	28	MIA	QB	17	13	13	8-5-0	261	389	67.1	2995	19	4.9	12	3.1	134	74	7.7	7.3	11.5	230.4	93.5	49.4	29	216	6.65	6.27	6.9	3	3	10
2018	30	MIA	QB	17	11	11	5-6-0	176	274	64.2	1979	17	6.2	9	3.3	92	75	7.2	7.0	11.2	179.9	92.7	31.0	35	279	5.50	5.29	11.3	3	3	6
2019	31	TEN	QB	17	8	6	5-1-0	128	176	72.7	1602	12	6.8	4	2.3	75	65	9.1	9.4	12.5	200.3	113.9	54.5	24	178	7.12	7.42	12.0	2	3

 

 

[Jetster]

40 minutes ago, freestater said:

 

He's doing better than ever after getting away from Gase's genius. Much like Jay Ajayi did. Gase is so brilliant that he sets up his players to excel...as soon as they leave his dumb***kery behind. 

Give me a F*cking break! No one said Gase was held back? In fact most here noted how many games he won when Tannyhill was healthy.

Stop writing nonsense.

[JustInFudge]

I mentioned this in another thread.  Gase is getting a 2nd year and rightfully so because of the situation but I think he's a terrible coach and he will ultimately get fired.  Tannehill balling out of control only makes me have even more confidence that he's trash.  We just have to hope that him Douglas have some killer synergy and they do actually build a competitive roster so the next guy doesnt have to walk into yet another rebuild. 

[JustInFudge]

4 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Give me a F*cking break! No one said Gase was held back? In fact most here noted how many games he won when Tannyhill was healthy.

Stop writing nonsense.

Ummmm, it was routinely said.  Especially around here.

[CTM]

42 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

I'm sure there's a perfectly good excuse. There always is for Gase.

I don't think even Gase's most ardent supporters argue that he has any meaningful track record as a good coach. 

This is pragmatism. He's here. The team is talent poor. He got Mac out and brought in a guy that seems qualified. Firing him mid way through season 1 is not a good look for this organization and would harm our changes at finding a suitable repalcement. He should get next year to show progress but the leash should be pretty short.

[Y3k]

Fake news...

no one ever claimed that gase was held back by tannehill... they said he was held back by injuries to tannehill...

ajayi is a bum letting him go was 100% the right move 

[Barry McCockinner]

12 minutes ago, JiF said:

Ummmm, it was routinely said.  Especially around here.

Basically the narrative was he had nothing but trash at QB in Miami and that's why his offenses weren't good.

[freestater]

14 minutes ago, JiF said:

I mentioned this in another thread.  Gase is getting a 2nd year and rightfully so because of the situation but I think he's a terrible coach and he will ultimately get fired.  Tannehill balling out of control only makes me have even more confidence that he's trash.  We just have to hope that him Douglas have some killer synergy and they do actually build a competitive roster so the next guy doesnt have to walk into yet another rebuild. 

At least with Bowles, I didnt feel like we were just marking time till the next coach until year 3...

[Barry McCockinner]

13 minutes ago, CTM said:

I don't think even Gase's most ardent supporters argue that he has any meaningful track record as a good coach. 

This is pragmatism. He's here. The team is talent poor. He got Mac out and brought in a guy that seems qualified. Firing him mid way through season 1 is not a good look for this organization and would harm our changes at finding a suitable repalcement. He should get next year to show progress but the leash should be pretty short.

The idea that firing a trash coach early hurts our chances at another coach is fake news that has never been backed up by facts.

[CTM]

5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

The idea that firing a trash coach early hurts our chances at another coach is fake news that has never been backed up by facts.

It's funny because i spent this past off season arguing that the Jets were in fact a good situation for prospective coaches so I get your point. However,  I tend to think we'd be seen as highly dysfunctional if in a 12 month period we can 1 coach, commit to the old GM, hire a new coach, can the old GM we just commit too and then fire the coach we just hired.  On top of that, if Gase does earn the ax it will mean Darnold closes out the season like crap so the biggest chip we had would lose a lot of allure.

[freestater]

 

 

[Jetster]

38 minutes ago, JiF said:

Ummmm, it was routinely said.  Especially around here.

I come to read this board every day. 90% of fans noted that Gase had a winning record when Ryan Tannyhill started. The problem was he was injured most of the time. 

Oh, and another thing. My son follows the Titans since he lives in Nashville, you do know that their LT Taylor Lewan was suspended the 1st 4 games & is probably better than 3 of our sh*tty Olineman put together. 

Plus Marriotta is famous for holding the ball too long. So, shocking that after Lewan comes back, everyone goes into their normal spots & the Titans again have an above average Oline, a powerful RB in Henry, a good scatback in Dion Lewis, they brought in Adam Humphries who was being championed here as a free agent target & they have 2 young really talented WRs in Cory Davis & AJ Brown. Both are more complete WRs than Robbie Anderson. 

The Titans are 2 years ahead of the Jets in the rebuild department! Like Apples & Oranges. 

[Jetster]

23 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Basically the narrative was he had nothing but trash at QB in Miami and that's why his offenses weren't good.

Total BS

[T0mShane]

38 minutes ago, JiF said:

I mentioned this in another thread.  Gase is getting a 2nd year and rightfully so because of the situation but I think he's a terrible coach and he will ultimately get fired.  Tannehill balling out of control only makes me have even more confidence that he's trash.  We just have to hope that him Douglas have some killer synergy and they do actually build a competitive roster so the next guy doesnt have to walk into yet another rebuild. 

What if Tannehill is “balling out of control” because this is his third healthy season in the league and that’s generally when quarterbacks start to figure it out?

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, Jetster said:

I come to read this board every day. 90% of fans noted that Gase had a winning record when Ryan Tannyhill started. The problem was he was injured most of the time. 

Oh, and another thing. My son follows the Titans since he lives in Nashville, you do know that their LT Taylor Lewan was suspended the 1st 4 games & is probably better than 3 of our sh*tty Olineman put together. 

Plus Marriotta is famous for holding the ball too long. So, shocking that after Lewan comes back, everyone goes into their normal spots & the Titans again have an above average Oline, a powerful RB in Henry, a good scatback in Dion Lewis, they brought in Adam Humphries who was being championed here as a free agent target & they have 3 young really talented WRs in Cory Davis & AJ Brown. Both are more complete WRs than Robbie Anderson. 

The Titans are 2 years ahead of the Jets in the rebuild department! Like Apples & Oranges. 

Yeah no, it was argued the ad nauseum the reason why Gase's offense sucked in Miami was because Tannehill held him back.  Routinely said around here.  Hence why numerous people are agreeing with me and not with you.

 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, T0mShane said:

What if Tannehill is “balling out of control” because this is his third healthy season in the league and that’s generally when quarterbacks start to figure it out?

 

We're really still buying into that lie?

[freestater]

 

 

[FidelioJet]

Gase is a bad HC.  It was obvious to Dolphin fans after 3 years and now quite obvious to any Jet fan paying attention.

Tannehill, no Tannehill - Darnold, no Darnold -Talent, no talent. 

He's a bad HC, will continue to be a bad HC and was a horrible hire. 

Anything else is just noise.

[Jetsfan80]

Tannehill has had his top 2 seasons under the Vrabel/Arthur Smith and Joe Philbin/Bill Lazor duos.  Gase gets the bronze.  Hooray.