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He's doing better than ever after getting away from Gase's genius. Much like Jay Ajayi did. Gase is so brilliant that he sets up his players to excel...as soon as they leave his dumb***kery behind. 

I'm sure there's a perfectly good excuse. There always is for Gase.

I don't think even Gase's most ardent supporters argue that he has any meaningful track record as a good coach.  This is pragmatism. He's here. The team is talent poor. He got Mac out and brought

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Just now, T0mShane said:

What if Tannehill is “balling out of control” because this is his third healthy season in the league and that’s generally when quarterbacks start to figure it out?

That would be an impossible "what if" since Tannehill didnt miss a game his first 3 years in the league.  He made every single start..  The legendary offensive genius of Joe Philbin, is the Head Coach responsible for Tannehill's most successful season.  It was the 3rd year of his career.  Gase took over and he regressed and was often injured before Gase he was the same player statistically yet never missed a game.  Since leaving Gase, he's once again healthy and now balling out in an offense system that was developed in the dark ages.

So what other pathetic stretch do you want to attempt to defend your boo? 

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50 minutes ago, Warfish said:

By what metric?

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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
Career       96 94 47-47-0 1957 3087 63.4 22036 135 4.4 79 2.6 1076 80 7.1 6.9 11.3 229.5 88.6   272 2063 5.95 5.69 8.1 17 16 61
6 yrs MIA     88 88 42-46-0 1829 2911 62.8 20434 123 4.2 75 2.6 1001 80 7.0 6.7 11.2 232.2 87.0   248 1885 5.87 5.58 7.9 15 13 61
1 yr TEN     8 6 5-1-0 128 176 72.7 1602 12 6.8 4 2.3 75 65 9.1 9.4 12.5 200.3 113.9   24 178 7.12 7.42 12.0 2 3  
2012 24 MIA QB 17 16 16 7-9-0 282 484 58.3 3294 12 2.5 13 2.7 151 80 6.8 6.1 11.7 205.9 76.1 48.4 35 234 5.90 5.23 6.7 1 1 10
2013 25 MIA QB 17 16 16 8-8-0 355 588 60.4 3913 24 4.1 17 2.9 204 67 6.7 6.2 11.0 244.6 81.7 49.3 58 399 5.44 5.00 9.0 4 3 10
2014 26 MIA QB 17 16 16 8-8-0 392 590 66.4 4045 27 4.6 12 2.0 225 50 6.9 6.9 10.3 252.8 92.8 59.3 46 337 5.83 5.83 7.2 2 1 14
2015 27 MIA QB 17 16 16 6-10-0 363 586 61.9 4208 24 4.1 12 2.0 195 54 7.2 7.1 11.6 263.0 88.7 46.3 45 420 6.00 5.91 7.1 2 2 11
2016 28 MIA QB 17 13 13 8-5-0 261 389 67.1 2995 19 4.9 12 3.1 134 74 7.7 7.3 11.5 230.4 93.5 49.4 29 216 6.65 6.27 6.9 3 3 10
2018 30 MIA QB 17 11 11 5-6-0 176 274 64.2 1979 17 6.2 9 3.3 92 75 7.2 7.0 11.2 179.9 92.7 31.0 35 279 5.50 5.29 11.3 3 3 6
2019 31 TEN QB 17 8 6 5-1-0 128 176 72.7 1602 12 6.8 4 2.3 75 65 9.1 9.4 12.5 200.3 113.9 54.5 24 178 7.12 7.42 12.0 2 3  
 

 

tannenhill played 13 games during his best gase season.  by just about every metric listed except total yardage and tds tannenhill was best in 2016, under gase.  and he didn't fall off much in 2018 if you account for his games played.

all of this negative judgement about gase is getting a little old.  see how things are after next season.  this is the same coach who got this team to hang 34 on the raiders and 34 on the redskins.  and if you look at the 4 dropped passes sunday you will note the receivers were pretty open.

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36 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Basically the narrative was he had nothing but trash at QB in Miami and that's why his offenses weren't good.

Of course the narrative has changed now. It always does. Soon the folks will tell us THEY knew all along Gase would....

Some things never change.

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I don't care what Gase did in Miami.  Or what Tannehill is doing in Tennessee. 

Only thing that matters to me is what Gase is doing with the Jets and Sam Darnold.  They had a really nice 3 game run, followed by a no-show.   Lets see if they can bounce back this week and play more like the team that won 3 straight. 

Lets face it, whether we like him or not, Gase is probably going to be back next season.  May as well root for him to succeed.

 

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Adam Gase coached Ryan Tannehill for 24 starts over three seasons. He missed all of 2017 with a knee injury, then only made eleven starts in 2018. His stats were pretty good under Gase when he was healthy, which was relatively rare. This is lazy. Also, Jay Ajayi is out of the league.

A lot of injuries when Disgase is coaching. hmmm.....

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Every single Gase excuse has been spectacularly blown out of the water and people still cling to the thought he can coach.

Like many despots in our history, his big skill is not in ruing it is getting people to let him rule and eliminating opposition.

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2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

His best year was under Gase.  This Tannehill hysteria is reminiscent of early in 2018 when folks on here were claiming he was an MVP candidate.  Tennessee is winning because of Derrick Henry and great D/STs.  They literally won the game the other day when their STs blocked a FG and returned it for a TD.  This was after the D forced a TO and Ten started on the Ind 14 to kick the game tying FG.

 

You also must know Jay Ajayi's best season was under Gase, right?

His best year for comp, yards, TD’s, QBR....None were under Gase

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46 minutes ago, Lith said:

I don't care what Gase did in Miami.  Or what Tannehill is doing in Tennessee. 

Only thing that matters to me is what Gase is doing with the Jets and Sam Darnold.  They had a really nice 3 game run, followed by a no-show.   Lets see if they can bounce back this week and play more like the team that won 3 straight. 

Lets face it, whether we like him or not, Gase is probably going to be back next season.  May as well root for him to succeed.

 

Can I root for him to succeed while maintaining that he’s a loser?

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He may not be great, but he is ours. And I will suspect we have him for 2 more seasons at least.

I am at the very least interested in seeing how he hopefully manages a better roster. he has shown capabilities of stringing together plays, at times. And he has not lost the locker room in a terrible year. 

Not the items of "honor roll", but better than what Bowles exhibited. And, the culture of undisciplined play and player first mentality are being flushed out still.

 

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46 minutes ago, rangerous said:

tannenhill played 13 games during his best gase season.  by just about every metric listed except total yardage and tds tannenhill was best in 2016, under gase.  and he didn't fall off much in 2018 if you account for his games played.

His 16 game projection based on 2016 is:

321 for 479 for 3,686 Yards (67%), 23 TD's, 15 INT's.

Best completion %, yes.  

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all of this negative judgement about gase is getting a little old.  see how things are after next season.

Do we have a choice? Should we all stop posting and thinking till then?

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  this is the same coach who got this team to hang 34 on the raiders and 34 on the redskins.  

The collapsing 6-6 Raiders, who might now finish below .500, and the 3 win Redskins, one of the four worst teams in the NFL and a competitor for the #1 or #2 overall pick?

Funny you leave out the historic part where Gase got the team to drop 6 on the 0-11, 31st ranked Bengals Defense, after losing to the equally bad 0-7 Dolphins.  Or are those not Gase coached games too?

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and if you look at the 4 dropped passes sunday you will note the receivers were pretty open.

Ah, the old "Gase/Sam did enough to win if only..." meme?

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1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Of course the narrative has changed now. It always does. Soon the folks will tell us THEY knew all along Gase would....

Some things never change.

War, with all due respect, you seem to be the King here of deflecting your personal supposed agenda of posters (individually and a group). You did it to me (incorrectly) last week and I called you out on it. of course, you neglected to respond in kind.

 

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1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Gase is a bad HC.  It was obvious to Dolphin fans after 3 years and now quite obvious to any Jet fan paying attention.

Tannehill, no Tannehill - Darnold, no Darnold -Talent, no talent. 

He's a bad HC, will continue to be a bad HC and was a horrible hire. 

Anything else is just noise.

I hope you are wrong. If he fails in the next 2 years Sam and co. will be starting all over again. Not to mention the SOJ fans. The mouses heart can only take so much :spin:.

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26 minutes ago, Warfish said:

His 16 game projection based on 2016 is:

321 for 479 for 3,686 Yards (67%), 23 TD's, 15 INT's.

Best completion %, yes.  

Do we have a choice? Should we all stop posting and thinking till then?

The collapsing 6-6 Raiders, who might now finish below .500, and the 3 win Redskins, one of the four worst teams in the NFL and a competitor for the #1 or #2 overall pick?

Funny you leave out the historic part where Gase got the team to drop 6 on the 0-11, 31st ranked Bengals Defense, after losing to the equally bad 0-7 Dolphins.  Or are those not Gase coached games too?

Ah, the old "Gase/Sam did enough to win if only..." meme?

the old gase/sam meme?  no.  many are saying that gase's offense is bad when seeing how badly 4 receivers on good throws indicates that gase's offense is actually getting players open and they are failing to execute.  now i'm not going to say however this season turns out it's not gase's fault.  he's the head coach and deserves his share of the blame.  as does macc for providing crap for the past 5 years and as do the players for not doing their jobs and playing hard.

as for tannenhill, projections are pretty meaningless but still he would've passed every metric of any other season except for td passes and yards.  note that his td passes were down but his td percentage was up.  also note that joe namath passed for over 4000 the year before the superbowl.  he only passed for 2800 or so during the superbowl season.  elllway didn't win until he had a running game.  even during brady's best passing season the patsies don't win the superbowl without a run game. passing yards aren't everything.

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39 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

He may not be great, but he is ours. And I will suspect we have him for 2 more seasons at least.

I am at the very least interested in seeing how he hopefully manages a better roster. he has shown capabilities of stringing together plays, at times. And he has not lost the locker room in a terrible year. 

Not the items of "honor roll", but better than what Bowles exhibited. And, the culture of undisciplined play and player first mentality are being flushed out still.

 

right.  i'm a little more impatient than you.  i'm okay waiting until the next season trend becomes obvious before lighting the torches.  he gets a pass this season because of all the injuries and the need to cull the slugs off the team.  spring will bring a new draft and free agents.  this is what will turn things around.

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40 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Please give me Derrick Henry and an o-line that is made up of primarily all 1st and 2nd rounders, and I could be the qb for the Titans too.

Same Henry and OLine with Marcus Marriota wasn’t getting it done. Henry has been way better since the QB switch, too. 

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Just now, rangerous said:

right.  i'm a little more impatient than you.  i'm okay waiting until the next season trend becomes obvious before lighting the torches.  he gets a pass this season because of all the injuries and the need to cull the slugs off the team.  spring will bring a new draft and free agents.  this is what will turn things around.

I am not sure how much input Gase had in the Dolphin roster.

What I am sure is that he had ZERO input into the Jet roster, and that was the primary reason that he convinced ownership that Macc had to go. 

Now, a great coach should be able to take anyone's roster and make it better through coaching. But Gase at least deserves the ability to have some input to what fits his system.

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1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

War, with all due respect, you seem to be the King here of deflecting your personal supposed agenda of posters (individually and a group). You did it to me (incorrectly) last week and I called you out on it. of course, you neglected to respond in kind.

 

No disrespect taken S.D.

Sorry you think I'm agenda driven.  Not sure the call-out you mention, but I post alot, and with alot of folks, usually during the day.  I do my best to reply to everyone, but I don't always.  I I missed one of yours, apologies, it wasn't a conscious ignore. 

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1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Same Henry and OLine with Marcus Marriota wasn’t getting it done. Henry has been way better since the QB switch, too. 

You are missing the point to a degree. I would LOVE to see what Darnold, with Gase, could do with Henry and that offensive line. 

THAt is the concern here. The rest is speculation.

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