"Adam Gase was held back by the awful Ryan Tannehill"

[T0mShane]

45 minutes ago, JiF said:

Ummmm, it was routinely said.  Especially around here.

LINK ???????

[JustInFudge]

Just now, T0mShane said:

What if Tannehill is “balling out of control” because this is his third healthy season in the league and that’s generally when quarterbacks start to figure it out?

That would be an impossible "what if" since Tannehill didnt miss a game his first 3 years in the league.  He made every single start..  The legendary offensive genius of Joe Philbin, is the Head Coach responsible for Tannehill's most successful season.  It was the 3rd year of his career.  Gase took over and he regressed and was often injured before Gase he was the same player statistically yet never missed a game.  Since leaving Gase, he's once again healthy and now balling out in an offense system that was developed in the dark ages.

So what other pathetic stretch do you want to attempt to defend your boo? 

[freestater]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

you want to attempt to defend your boo? 

Lol

[rangerous]

50 minutes ago, Warfish said:

By what metric?

Passing

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					96	94	47-47-0	1957	3087	63.4	22036	135	4.4	79	2.6	1076	80	7.1	6.9	11.3	229.5	88.6		272	2063	5.95	5.69	8.1	17	16	61
6 yrs		MIA			88	88	42-46-0	1829	2911	62.8	20434	123	4.2	75	2.6	1001	80	7.0	6.7	11.2	232.2	87.0		248	1885	5.87	5.58	7.9	15	13	61
1 yr		TEN			8	6	5-1-0	128	176	72.7	1602	12	6.8	4	2.3	75	65	9.1	9.4	12.5	200.3	113.9		24	178	7.12	7.42	12.0	2	3
2012	24	MIA	QB	17	16	16	7-9-0	282	484	58.3	3294	12	2.5	13	2.7	151	80	6.8	6.1	11.7	205.9	76.1	48.4	35	234	5.90	5.23	6.7	1	1	10
2013	25	MIA	QB	17	16	16	8-8-0	355	588	60.4	3913	24	4.1	17	2.9	204	67	6.7	6.2	11.0	244.6	81.7	49.3	58	399	5.44	5.00	9.0	4	3	10
2014	26	MIA	QB	17	16	16	8-8-0	392	590	66.4	4045	27	4.6	12	2.0	225	50	6.9	6.9	10.3	252.8	92.8	59.3	46	337	5.83	5.83	7.2	2	1	14
2015	27	MIA	QB	17	16	16	6-10-0	363	586	61.9	4208	24	4.1	12	2.0	195	54	7.2	7.1	11.6	263.0	88.7	46.3	45	420	6.00	5.91	7.1	2	2	11
2016	28	MIA	QB	17	13	13	8-5-0	261	389	67.1	2995	19	4.9	12	3.1	134	74	7.7	7.3	11.5	230.4	93.5	49.4	29	216	6.65	6.27	6.9	3	3	10
2018	30	MIA	QB	17	11	11	5-6-0	176	274	64.2	1979	17	6.2	9	3.3	92	75	7.2	7.0	11.2	179.9	92.7	31.0	35	279	5.50	5.29	11.3	3	3	6
2019	31	TEN	QB	17	8	6	5-1-0	128	176	72.7	1602	12	6.8	4	2.3	75	65	9.1	9.4	12.5	200.3	113.9	54.5	24	178	7.12	7.42	12.0	2	3

 

 

tannenhill played 13 games during his best gase season.  by just about every metric listed except total yardage and tds tannenhill was best in 2016, under gase.  and he didn't fall off much in 2018 if you account for his games played.

all of this negative judgement about gase is getting a little old.  see how things are after next season.  this is the same coach who got this team to hang 34 on the raiders and 34 on the redskins.  and if you look at the 4 dropped passes sunday you will note the receivers were pretty open.

[Warfish]

36 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Basically the narrative was he had nothing but trash at QB in Miami and that's why his offenses weren't good.

Of course the narrative has changed now. It always does. Soon the folks will tell us THEY knew all along Gase would....

Some things never change.

[Lith]

I don't care what Gase did in Miami.  Or what Tannehill is doing in Tennessee. 

Only thing that matters to me is what Gase is doing with the Jets and Sam Darnold.  They had a really nice 3 game run, followed by a no-show.   Lets see if they can bounce back this week and play more like the team that won 3 straight. 

Lets face it, whether we like him or not, Gase is probably going to be back next season.  May as well root for him to succeed.

 

[CrazyCarl40]

 

[T0mShane]

9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

LINK ???????

@JiF sup SUP

[T0mShane]

Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

 

Mike Freeman is among the worst columnists in America. 

[freestater]

 

 

[jetscrazey]

Gase will be finished as an NFL head coach soon.  This will be his last job.  He's a glorified passing game coordinator.

[CrazyCarl40]

24 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Mike Freeman is among the worst columnists in America. 

Could be. But he’s not wrong here. 

[Fantasy Island]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Adam Gase coached Ryan Tannehill for 24 starts over three seasons. He missed all of 2017 with a knee injury, then only made eleven starts in 2018. His stats were pretty good under Gase when he was healthy, which was relatively rare. This is lazy. Also, Jay Ajayi is out of the league.

A lot of injuries when Disgase is coaching. hmmm.....

[CrazyCarl40]

 

[Beerfish]

Every single Gase excuse has been spectacularly blown out of the water and people still cling to the thought he can coach.

Like many despots in our history, his big skill is not in ruing it is getting people to let him rule and eliminating opposition.

[Barry McCockinner]

53 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

We're really still buying into that lie?

Someone better tell Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Russel Wilson, Deshaun Watson and Josh Allen.

[Barry McCockinner]

12 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

 

Gotta keep this guy around a few years so other coaches know we aren't a bad team to coach. You have to really suffocate the life out of all your players before good coaches will sniff around.

[HessStation]

2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

His best year was under Gase.  This Tannehill hysteria is reminiscent of early in 2018 when folks on here were claiming he was an MVP candidate.  Tennessee is winning because of Derrick Henry and great D/STs.  They literally won the game the other day when their STs blocked a FG and returned it for a TD.  This was after the D forced a TO and Ten started on the Ind 14 to kick the game tying FG.

 

You also must know Jay Ajayi's best season was under Gase, right?

His best year for comp, yards, TD’s, QBR....None were under Gase

[Joe W. Namath]

Derrick Henry is the best runner of the football in the league.  We have leveon bell who runs like he has cement blocks on his feet.

With that said, gase is terrible.  We know that.

 

 

[HessStation]

46 minutes ago, Lith said:

I don't care what Gase did in Miami.  Or what Tannehill is doing in Tennessee. 

Only thing that matters to me is what Gase is doing with the Jets and Sam Darnold.  They had a really nice 3 game run, followed by a no-show.   Lets see if they can bounce back this week and play more like the team that won 3 straight. 

Lets face it, whether we like him or not, Gase is probably going to be back next season.  May as well root for him to succeed.

 

Can I root for him to succeed while maintaining that he’s a loser?

[Barry McCockinner]

59 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

LINK ???????

 

 

[Scott Dierking]

He may not be great, but he is ours. And I will suspect we have him for 2 more seasons at least.

I am at the very least interested in seeing how he hopefully manages a better roster. he has shown capabilities of stringing together plays, at times. And he has not lost the locker room in a terrible year. 

Not the items of "honor roll", but better than what Bowles exhibited. And, the culture of undisciplined play and player first mentality are being flushed out still.

 

[Scott Dierking]

17 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

 

Please give me Derrick Henry and an o-line that is made up of primarily all 1st and 2nd rounders, and I could be the qb for the Titans too.

[Warfish]

46 minutes ago, rangerous said:

tannenhill played 13 games during his best gase season.  by just about every metric listed except total yardage and tds tannenhill was best in 2016, under gase.  and he didn't fall off much in 2018 if you account for his games played.

His 16 game projection based on 2016 is:

321 for 479 for 3,686 Yards (67%), 23 TD's, 15 INT's.

Best completion %, yes.  

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all of this negative judgement about gase is getting a little old.  see how things are after next season.

Do we have a choice? Should we all stop posting and thinking till then?

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  this is the same coach who got this team to hang 34 on the raiders and 34 on the redskins.  

The collapsing 6-6 Raiders, who might now finish below .500, and the 3 win Redskins, one of the four worst teams in the NFL and a competitor for the #1 or #2 overall pick?

Funny you leave out the historic part where Gase got the team to drop 6 on the 0-11, 31st ranked Bengals Defense, after losing to the equally bad 0-7 Dolphins.  Or are those not Gase coached games too?

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and if you look at the 4 dropped passes sunday you will note the receivers were pretty open.

Ah, the old "Gase/Sam did enough to win if only..." meme?

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Of course the narrative has changed now. It always does. Soon the folks will tell us THEY knew all along Gase would....

Some things never change.

War, with all due respect, you seem to be the King here of deflecting your personal supposed agenda of posters (individually and a group). You did it to me (incorrectly) last week and I called you out on it. of course, you neglected to respond in kind.

 

[Apache 51]

1 hour ago, FidelioJet said:

Gase is a bad HC.  It was obvious to Dolphin fans after 3 years and now quite obvious to any Jet fan paying attention.

Tannehill, no Tannehill - Darnold, no Darnold -Talent, no talent. 

He's a bad HC, will continue to be a bad HC and was a horrible hire. 

Anything else is just noise.

I hope you are wrong. If he fails in the next 2 years Sam and co. will be starting all over again. Not to mention the SOJ fans. The mouses heart can only take so much .

[Joe W. Namath]

30 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

 

Oh the pain.................

[rangerous]

26 minutes ago, Warfish said:

His 16 game projection based on 2016 is:

321 for 479 for 3,686 Yards (67%), 23 TD's, 15 INT's.

Best completion %, yes.  

Do we have a choice? Should we all stop posting and thinking till then?

The collapsing 6-6 Raiders, who might now finish below .500, and the 3 win Redskins, one of the four worst teams in the NFL and a competitor for the #1 or #2 overall pick?

Funny you leave out the historic part where Gase got the team to drop 6 on the 0-11, 31st ranked Bengals Defense, after losing to the equally bad 0-7 Dolphins.  Or are those not Gase coached games too?

Ah, the old "Gase/Sam did enough to win if only..." meme?

the old gase/sam meme?  no.  many are saying that gase's offense is bad when seeing how badly 4 receivers on good throws indicates that gase's offense is actually getting players open and they are failing to execute.  now i'm not going to say however this season turns out it's not gase's fault.  he's the head coach and deserves his share of the blame.  as does macc for providing crap for the past 5 years and as do the players for not doing their jobs and playing hard.

as for tannenhill, projections are pretty meaningless but still he would've passed every metric of any other season except for td passes and yards.  note that his td passes were down but his td percentage was up.  also note that joe namath passed for over 4000 the year before the superbowl.  he only passed for 2800 or so during the superbowl season.  elllway didn't win until he had a running game.  even during brady's best passing season the patsies don't win the superbowl without a run game. passing yards aren't everything.

[rangerous]

39 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

He may not be great, but he is ours. And I will suspect we have him for 2 more seasons at least.

I am at the very least interested in seeing how he hopefully manages a better roster. he has shown capabilities of stringing together plays, at times. And he has not lost the locker room in a terrible year. 

Not the items of "honor roll", but better than what Bowles exhibited. And, the culture of undisciplined play and player first mentality are being flushed out still.

 

right.  i'm a little more impatient than you.  i'm okay waiting until the next season trend becomes obvious before lighting the torches.  he gets a pass this season because of all the injuries and the need to cull the slugs off the team.  spring will bring a new draft and free agents.  this is what will turn things around.

[CrazyCarl40]

40 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Please give me Derrick Henry and an o-line that is made up of primarily all 1st and 2nd rounders, and I could be the qb for the Titans too.

Same Henry and OLine with Marcus Marriota wasn’t getting it done. Henry has been way better since the QB switch, too. 

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, rangerous said:

right.  i'm a little more impatient than you.  i'm okay waiting until the next season trend becomes obvious before lighting the torches.  he gets a pass this season because of all the injuries and the need to cull the slugs off the team.  spring will bring a new draft and free agents.  this is what will turn things around.

I am not sure how much input Gase had in the Dolphin roster.

What I am sure is that he had ZERO input into the Jet roster, and that was the primary reason that he convinced ownership that Macc had to go. 

Now, a great coach should be able to take anyone's roster and make it better through coaching. But Gase at least deserves the ability to have some input to what fits his system.

[Lith]

46 minutes ago, HessStation said:

Can I root for him to succeed while maintaining that he’s a loser?

That is exaclty what I am doing. 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

War, with all due respect, you seem to be the King here of deflecting your personal supposed agenda of posters (individually and a group). You did it to me (incorrectly) last week and I called you out on it. of course, you neglected to respond in kind.

 

No disrespect taken S.D.

Sorry you think I'm agenda driven.  Not sure the call-out you mention, but I post alot, and with alot of folks, usually during the day.  I do my best to reply to everyone, but I don't always.  I I missed one of yours, apologies, it wasn't a conscious ignore. 

[Scott Dierking]

1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Same Henry and OLine with Marcus Marriota wasn’t getting it done. Henry has been way better since the QB switch, too. 

You are missing the point to a degree. I would LOVE to see what Darnold, with Gase, could do with Henry and that offensive line. 

THAt is the concern here. The rest is speculation.

[Larz]

Cool but did anyone actually make that argument?

 I think what people actually said was he had a winning record with Tannehill