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2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said:

 

 

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4 hours ago, sec101row23 said:

This isn’t some defense of Gase but, the 3 years Gase was coach Tannehill only played in 24 games for Gase.  I don’t think people were saying Tannehill’s abilities were holding Gase back, it was just his availability.  

i always thought the excuse for Gase in Miami was when he had Tannehill they did well, but did not do well when Tannehill was always hurt. 

The 1 season Tannehill played all 16 games the dolphins went 10-6 and made the playoffs.  LIke you said, 24 games Gase with Tannehill went 13-11, gase without Tannehill went 8-13.

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3 hours ago, rangerous said:

tannenhill played 13 games during his best gase season.  by just about every metric listed except total yardage and tds tannenhill was best in 2016, under gase.  and he didn't fall off much in 2018 if you account for his games played.

all of this negative judgement about gase is getting a little old.  see how things are after next season.  this is the same coach who got this team to hang 34 on the raiders and 34 on the redskins.  and if you look at the 4 dropped passes sunday you will note the receivers were pretty open.

Robbîe drops a TD 95% of this leagues WR catch. Drops (4) Penalties (9) + 2 points & another possession ending on a FG (so 5 points attributed to 1 freaking holding penalty) & Sacks (4), were directly responsible for this loss. We had no TOs. 

We lost by 16. Dropped TD (7 points) + 5 Points = 12 points. So just 2 mistakes cost 12 points alone in that game. 

That still leaves 8 more penalties & giving up 4 sacks which led to 4 more possessions for the Bengals. 

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2 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Robbîe drops a TD 95% of this leagues WR catch.

Or Sam under threw a wide open robby and made a routinely easy play very difficult.

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9 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Robbîe drops a TD 95% of this leagues WR catch. Drops (4) Penalties (9) + 2 points & another possession ending on a FG (so 5 points attributed to 1 freaking holding penalty) & Sacks (4), were directly responsible for this loss. We had no TOs. 

We lost by 16. Dropped TD (7 points) + 5 Points = 12 points. So just 2 mistakes cost 12 points alone in that game. 

That still leaves 8 more penalties & giving up 4 sacks which led to 4 more possessions for the Bengals. 

So just to be clear, do you believe Gase and Sam did enough to win, if not for the drops and penalties and sacks they (Gase and Sam) had nothing to do with?

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6 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Or Sam under threw a wide open robby and made a routinely easy play very difficult.

Oh stop. WRs routinely make difficult catches in this league weekly. You get 2 hands on a ball it's your JOB to catch it. 

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12 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Or Sam under threw a wide open robby and made a routinely easy play very difficult.

Meh...That’s how the league works. No QB is perfect. Dude drops 80% of every contested thrown to him.

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5 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Oh stop. WRs routinely make difficult catches in this league weekly. You get 2 hands on a ball it's your JOB to catch it. 

There’s like 30-35% of Jets fans who want So bad for Anderson to be better than he is and refuse to see what he is. 

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6 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Oh stop. WRs routinely make difficult catches in this league weekly. You get 2 hands on a ball it's your JOB to catch it. 

So its not Sam's fault he made a terrible throw that 95% of qbs in ths league make easily.

Its Robbie fault for dropping a poorly thrown ball.  Got it.

 

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2 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Oh stop. WRs routinely make difficult catches in this league weekly. You get 2 hands on a ball it's your JOB to catch it. 

Bad throw? Yes. Shoulda/coulda caught it? Yes.

We see weekly plenty of good deep balls that lead receivers that are open deep and end up TDs.

(Tannehill, for example) 1:58

 

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Gase lovers logic:

Monday:  How could Gase be expected to do anything with that dog Tannehill as his QB!

Tuesday: How could Gase be expected to do anything with that great QB Tannehill hurt so often?

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None of this is even slightly surprising.  Gase has done absolutely nothing slightly well throughout his entire NFL career, short of when he stood on the sideline and watched Peyton Manning call the offense at the line, as he always did.  There was never any evidence to suggest Gase was particularly good at anything, but juts an endless list of excuses as to why it was never his fault that he has otherwise been a career failure.  This was blatantly obvious already if you looked at all the facts, the current Tannehill situation is simply further verifying what was already known.

That is exactly why Gase was quite literally the one and only candidate I was 100% totally adamantly opposed to the moment the interviews were announced, and why I was furious when Chris Johnson proved himself to be the single dumbest person in the entire NFL when opting to simultaneously hire him and retain Maccagnan.  It was quite literally the worst combination of decisions that could have possibly been made.

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Just now, Warfish said:

So just to be clear, do you believe Gase and Sam did enough to win, if not for the drops and penalties and sacks they (Gase and Sam) had nothing to do with?

What are you trying to say? That MISTAKES are all on the Coach & the QB? The Oline had 9 penalties, NINE. So, does 9 penalties enforced against your offense change down & distance? Does it put you behind the sticks & force you out of the running game? Does it change the script on those play sheets? One holding call directly led to 5 points. 

The reason this team is up & down has little to do with the coaching & a lot to do with injuries, a terrible Oline, mediocre WRs, a TE that can't block (one of the reasons Bill Obrien let Griffin walk), and because of these things teams might match up better vs us than say Oakland. 

There is too much to exploit on the Jets BEFORE we start making mistakes. Macc was fired for his terrible drafts & free agency squandering, ignoring the Oline & important positions. All of this is true hence the giant applause & multitudes of threads when he was jettisoned but that shouldn't come into play while grading Adam Gase? 

The micro criticism for EACH & EVERY play call is foolish. The All 22 shows the Jets getting guys open. 1st, the line needs to give Sam time, 2nd the players need to catch the damn ball, 3rd, we pass so much because we can't run a lick & we're always playing behind the sticks after -2 yard runs or a penalty or a sack given up. That's the facts jack! When the Oline has played HALFWAY DECENT, we've scored over 30 points.

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11 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

Bad throw? Yes. Shoulda/coulda caught it? Yes.

We see weekly plenty of good deep balls that lead receivers that are open deep and end up TDs.

(Tannehill, for example) 1:58

 

Just watch Redzone & it will slap Jet fans into reality that this WR group is completely mediocre. Parker for Miami is better than any of our WRs. 

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3 minutes ago, Jetster said:

The micro criticism for EACH & EVERY play call is foolish. The All 22 shows the Jets getting guys open. 1st, the line needs to give Sam time, 2nd the players need to catch the damn ball, 3rd, we pass so much because we can't run a lick & we're always playing behind the sticks after -2 yard runs or a penalty or a sack

Sports Radio in the Bat Area was AMAZING yesterday...  holy moly...  digging Kyle Shanny a new rectum.

They lost by 3 away in an early game against of of the leagues best teams at the last kick!

I really think Jets should go with Powell/Bell more 50/50 in a constant almost hurry up.

Let Sam see the field and just go like a 2 minutye drill. He did ok last year abunch a times b4 half, and even vs Cinci before half...

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1 minute ago, Jetster said:

Just watch Redzone & it will slap Jet fans into reality that this WR group is completely mediocre. Parker for Miami is better than any of our WRs. 

On the whole Crowder seems OK, Robbie is a speedy/thin 2/3 type, not a 50/50 ball winner.. 

We need MORE than 2 decent role players, YES.

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36 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Robbîe drops a TD 95% of this leagues WR catch. Drops (4) Penalties (9) + 2 points & another possession ending on a FG (so 5 points attributed to 1 freaking holding penalty) & Sacks (4), were directly responsible for this loss. We had no TOs. 

We lost by 16. Dropped TD (7 points) + 5 Points = 12 points. So just 2 mistakes cost 12 points alone in that game. 

That still leaves 8 more penalties & giving up 4 sacks which led to 4 more possessions for the Bengals. 

The Bengals also dropped two touchdowns.

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15 minutes ago, Jetster said:

What are you trying to say?

I think what I was asking you (not saying) was clear. 

Is it your opinion (or not) that Sam Darnold and Coach Gase did enough to win on Sunday vs. the Bengals? 

Is it your opinion that the cause of our defeat was dropped passes (WR's), penalties and sacks (O-line) that were not the fault or responsibility of San Darnold or Coach Gase?

Is it your opinion that if those passes had been caught, and those O-line penalties not committed, and those O-line sacks not allowed, we would have won vs. the Bengals?

i.e. is it your opinion that Sam and Coach Gase did enough to win on Sunday?

I hope this clarifies what I am asking you.

 

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7 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I think what I was asking you (not saying) was clear. 

Is it your opinion (or not) that Sam Darnold and Coach Gase did enough to win on Sunday vs. the Bengals? 

Is it your opinion that the cause of our defeat was dropped passes (WR's), penalties and sacks (O-line) that were not the fault or responsibility of San Darnold or Coach Gase?

Is it your opinion that if those passes had been caught, and those O-line penalties not committed, and those O-line sacks not allowed, we would have won vs. the Bengals?

i.e. is it your opinion that Sam and Coach Gase did enough to win on Sunday?

I hope this clarifies what I am asking you.

 

Yes. Every mistake players make on the field come back to bite them in the azz. If you don't DROP THE BALL you get another 3 downs, the defense has to DEFEND another 3 downs & you keep possession instead of adding more possessions to your opponent that your own BAD DEFENSE has to defend. 

Same with 9 penalties. They allow the Bengals defense to play differently & more aggressive. It adds the chance for negative plays. Everything in football has a cause & affect. That's why teams that protect the ball, commit fewer penalties, catch the passes that land on their hands & score in the Redzone win games. The Jets didn't have 1 play in the Redzone, not one. 

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48 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Or Sam under threw a wide open robby and made a routinely easy play very difficult.

robbie wasn't that wide open on that play.  he had a half step and the ball was slightly under thrown.  it still hit him in his hands.  but what excuse is there for berrios or thomas?  thomas stopped running and wasn't expecting the ball.  he would've waltzed right in.

the premise that gase's offense is bad is wrong.  give him grief for not getting the team fired up or maybe not going outside as much as he could but the fact that the receivers are getting very open means the route schemes are good.  it would be great to see these routes and schemes with an oline that can hold their blocks and more reliable receivers.

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1 hour ago, rangerous said:

 

the premise that gase's offense is bad is wrong. 

Right. His offense is great, it's just that his players always suck until they get away from him and do well.

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23 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The Bengals also dropped two touchdowns.

they scored on th enext play the 1 series, chose a FG on the other...   really shoulda had 25 or 26 depending on extra point

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1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said:

You are missing the point to a degree. I would LOVE to see what Darnold, with Gase, could do with Henry and that offensive line. 

THAt is the concern here. The rest is speculation.

Gase wouldn’t know what to do with Henry. He can’t even figure out how to use Bell. 

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Ryan Tannehill is what happens when talent meets competent coaching 

Adam Gase is the human embodiment of the Peter Principle 

it's also possible he's Chance the Gardner from "being there" 

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10 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Gase wouldn’t know what to do with Henry. He can’t even figure out how to use Bell. 

Gase has actually done a decent job  getting Bell the ball as a receiver. very similar to what Pittsburgh did.

The games that I watched Bell in a Steelers uniform, he was much a "between the tackles" type of runner. I can't recall my times he took the ball outside the tackle. I don't have those numbers. Do you?

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Guys....if we fire Gase, we won’t get the top notch candidates clamoring for NYJ head coaching gig. We need to endure the suck because.......[insert thought].

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4 hours ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Gase won with Tannehill at QB. The problem was Tannehill was generally injured. It's not a secret.

It's interesting that the only injury history Tannehill has in his career was under Gase.  He was rock solid before, and since, health wise.

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5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

It's interesting that the only injury history Tannehill has in his career was under Gase.  He was rock solid before, and since, health wise.

Let’s add “Munchausen Syndrome” to the list of Adam Gase’s faults 

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Let’s add “Munchausen Syndrome” to the list of Adam Gase’s faults 

Hardly, just O-line mismanagement and poor O-line scheming.  Something every Dolphins fan already knows.

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8 hours ago, rangerous said:

robbie wasn't that wide open on that play.  he had a half step and the ball was slightly under thrown.  it still hit him in his hands.  but what excuse is there for berrios or thomas?  thomas stopped running and wasn't expecting the ball.  he would've waltzed right in.

the premise that gase's offense is bad is wrong.  give him grief for not getting the team fired up or maybe not going outside as much as he could but the fact that the receivers are getting very open means the route schemes are good.  it would be great to see these routes and schemes with an oline that can hold their blocks and more reliable receivers.

- 5 games this year with no offensive tds

- 31st in yards per game

- 28th in points

His teams in Miami ranked 20 or lower his last 3 years.  (31st, 25th, 24th)

No, his offense stinks, there is ZERO evidence to suggest he is a good offensive mind.

His entire resume is based on a year as a QB coach for a HOF QB who essentially ran the whole show.

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29 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

- 5 games this year with no offensive tds

- 31st in yards per game

- 28th in points

His teams in Miami ranked 20 or lower his last 3 years.  (31st, 25th, 24th)

No, his offense stinks, there is ZERO evidence to suggest he is a good offensive mind.

His entire resume is based on a year as a QB coach for a HOF QB who essentially ran the whole show.

Establishing a lasting culture by getting rid of all the good players in Miami was especially impressive. Leader of men, agent of change. 

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