Popular Post JetNation Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 As if losing to the 0-11 Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday wasn’t enough for Jets fans to endure, the football gods found a way to make the loss even more frustrating, humiliating and embarrassing than the 22-6 final score would have done on its own. Unintentional as it might have been, Jet fans were treated to the work of their inept coaching staff, with a sprinkling of Bill Belichick’s coaching advice dropped in for what would feel like a rather large does of salt in the wound. Armed with one of the most dynamic running backs in the history of the NFL while facing off against the 31st ranked defense against the run, the Jets seemed primed to finally get a breakout day from Le’Veon Bell, who has at times become all but invisible in Adam Gase’s offense. Despite the golden opportunity, this would be one of those Sundays that would leave you forgetting Bell was on the roster if you happened to blink. In what was tight contest for much of the day, Adam Gase continued to drop quarterback Sam Darnold back to pass against a porous Bengals run defense. Sure, Gase would run Bell right at All-World defensive lineman Geno Atkins a few times, but never did we see an attempt to get Bell outside, even in space perhaps, to gain any momentum on offense. So what did Jets fans get to see during the broadcast? At one point, a glimpse of former Jets head coach (remember that day?) Bill Belichick, who took part in a special NFL Network broadcast that addressed the leagues all-time greats. In it, Belichick was asked about his approach to coaching, and of course, the future Hall-of-Famer’s advice was the complete opposite of what the Jets were watching Adam Gase do. Quoting the legendary “Sun Tzu”, a well-known work on military tactics, Belichick would stress the importance of studying your opponent to gain an understanding of their weaknesses, so that you can then attack and exploit it. This is what Jets fans got to hear during a commercial break, right before going back to the live action. Live action in which Le’Veon Bell was withering away, occasionally running straight up the middle in to the arms of a waiting defender. Sam Darnold dropping straight back with a defense that had no need to respect the run and could pin their ears back. Some would argue (and have argued) that while the Bengals run defense is terrible (true), the Jets run blocking is equally bad (also true), so running bell outside the tackles would make no sense. However, nobody is asking Adam Gase to run Cedric Houston or Kevan Barlow to the edges. This is Le’Veon Bell. This is a guy who signed a four year, $52 million contract to be a difference maker. So even if it’s one group that can’t run block versus a group that can’t stop the run, why not let Bell do that? Let him be the difference. How about bringing in an extra lineman or two to run some jumbo? Why not bring in a tight end to try to help spring something on the outside? All of those options were on the table, but all options Adam Gase took a pass on in favor of a few runs up the gut, where the Bengals best defensive player resides. Study your opponent to learn their weaknesses, Bill Belichick says. When you find the weakness, exploit it, Belichick says. What would Gase say to such a suggestion? “OK Boomer”? The post Jets Fans Endure Gase’s Incompetence in Face of Belichick’s Advice appeared first on JetNation.com (NY Jets Blog & Forum). Click here to read the full story... 7 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CrazyCarl40 Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 Solid offensive game planning really. 17 2 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 fire disgase now 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dbatesman Posted December 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 3, 2019 20 minutes ago, JetNation said: What would Gase say to such a suggestion? “OK Boomer”? He should, because there's nothing more quintessentially Boomer than bumbling through an awkward paraphrasing of the most blindingly obvious parts of Sun Tzu and then acting like you've deciphered some profound mystery. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Solid offensive game planning really. Quote A lot is being made of Adam Gase not running the ball enough against the worst rushing defense in football. I get it, but the numbers are a little deceiving. He called 26 passes and nine runs in the first half, but 10 of those passes came on the final drive of the half when the Jets got the ball with 1:46 left and were not running because of clock management. Gase came out ready to run in the third quarter and here is what happened: Le’Veon Bell for 2 yards, Bell for -1 yard, Bell for 23 yards but called back because of holding on Tom Compton. Then it is third-and-20 and they passed and then punted. The next drive starts at their own 2 and then gets moved to the 1 after a false start on Brandon Shell. First play, Bell runs for 2 yards. Second play, Beachum is called for holding and the Bengals get a safety. The Bengals then kick a field goal after getting the ball after the safety. Suddenly, the Jets are down 16 and there is 1:15 left in the third quarter. The Jets had to pass to get back into the game. This is not to say I am defending Gase in this game. He had a terrible day. But it was about more than pass/run ratio. It was about his offense’s sheer inability to move the ball at all. He had no answers in this game. The Bengals had a great game plan against the Jets and they executed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 i'd love to see Levs rushing stats when they try to get him to the edges... he looks slow as ish 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 At his current pace, if you gave Leveon Bell 20 carries, he’d get 64 yards. We should totally build around that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, T0mShane said: At his current pace, if you gave Leveon Bell 20 carries, he’d get 64 yards. We should totally build around that. It's like hitting your head continually. It only feels good when you stop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Solid offensive game planning really. Gase stinks but to his defense, our high priced starting rb cant run outside because he is too slow. If Gase had balls he would have benched bell and ran powell and montgomery outside. leveon bell's lack of speed is killing the run game. Hes atrocious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: I don't think you read the first one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Gase stinks but to his defense, our high priced starting rb cant run outside because he is too slow. If Gase had balls he would have benched bell and ran powell and montgomery outside. leveon bell's lack of speed is killing the run game. Hes atrocious.th This is crazy talk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 its really quite the hilarious POV, that we should run Bell more.... holy moly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Solid offensive game planning really. I was thinking it must have been zero during the game, even the commentators were crying out for us to try it. He has to go. Guy is a f*cking joke. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: I was thinking it must have been zero during the game, even the commentators were crying out for us to try it. He has to go. Guy is a f*cking joke. Am not disputing Nania exactly... but... I read an article yesterday that claimed LJ ran 16 times and was put down 15 by contact... yet the short NFL reel showed a TD untouched, ankle breaking 8 yd wher he ran OOB and like a 13 yder where he threw himself to ground... so, thats 3 not down by contact... and I didnt see the other 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Bill Belichick: "Study your opponent to gain an understanding of their weaknesses, so that you can then attack and exploit it." Adam Gase: Study the round hole before you attempt to hammer through a square peg. It is pretty obvious. Gase wants to pass the ball. Even if he knows he can win more games by running a balanced offense right now, he is not going to. In one regard he has somewhat of the right idea. The current rules BEG you to pass the ball. Building an offense to run the ball is pretty much like choosing to row up steam. In that sense, Gase has it right. It is was Chris Johnson was referring to when he said of Gase, that "he is coaching to where football is going" The problem is, no coach or GM can wave a magic want and "poof" you have the perfect roster for the system that you are queer for. You have injuries to deal with, game planning against your opponent's weakness, weather considerations and so on... "No plan survives first contact with the enemy" Any coach that can not adjust his plan to suit the skills and limitations of his players as they relate to the skills and limitations of his opponent is a BAD coach... Any coach that is not DRIVEN to win NOW is a *LOOSER* F**K sake, Rex was pissed off about not winning the Jets/Giants Snoopy trophy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 53 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Solid offensive game planning really. Wow, that's a tough one to try to explain away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, T0mShane said: At his current pace, if you gave Leveon Bell 20 carries, he’d get 64 yards. We should totally build around that. Thats a 1000 yard rusher! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Just now, chirorob said: Wow, that's a tough one to try to explain away. It is really not when you have a rb that does not have the speed to get outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: It is really not when you have a rb that does not have the speed to get outside. Then use one of the other ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, Losmeister said: its really quite the hilarious POV, that we should run Bell more.... holy moly No one is saying run him more, but running him up the middle incessantly where the Bengals are actually talented is poor planning and goes against a winning formula. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, dbatesman said: He should, because there's nothing more quintessentially Boomer than bumbling through an awkward paraphrasing of the most blindingly obvious parts of Sun Tzu and then acting like you've deciphered some profound mystery. And yet, Gase can’t even figure out the obvious. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, chirorob said: Wow, that's a tough one to try to explain away. Slow inside runner as your main back, the worst pair of run blocking tackles in the league and a bad blocking TE, two long runs returned for holding setting the team up for 2nd or 3rd and 15. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, chirorob said: Then use one of the other ones. I agree. Ty Montgomery should have gotten 10 carries on Sunday. He isnt a great back but has the speed to get to the edge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 “The offense isn’t working” ”They should run the ball behind Beachum or Shell” ”That’s the answer!” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: Gase stinks but to his defense, our high priced starting rb cant run outside because he is too slow. If Gase had balls he would have benched bell and ran powell and montgomery outside. leveon bell's lack of speed is killing the run game. Hes atrocious. i'm not so sure about that. he looked plenty fast on that 23 yard run that was called back. his main problem this season is he is being hit by the first tackler and that's mainly on the oline. i do agree with some of the outside flak because the jets did make some gains when they ran screens or plays to the outside. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 The 2019 Jets stink but Gase has done nothing to inspire any kind of confidence in him going forward. We all know that a pile of injuries and a swiss cheese roster have built in enough excuses to get this clown another year to prove himself, and that is why the Jets will never be a top flight organization - they ALWAYS kick the can down the road instead of making the hard decisions when they actually need to be made. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, JetNation said: Quoting the legendary “Sun Tzu”, a well-known work on military tactics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 0-4: Gase is saddled with a backup QB and shouldn't be expected to win or even field competent offenses! Only other teams do that! 1-7: Darnold is the problem! 4-7: Gase is a genius! 4-8: Leveon is the problem! Meanwhile, this coach's teams over 4 years are: - 27-33 - 25 of those 33 losses are by double digits - 7 wins against 14 double-digit losses in his last 27 games - 4 wins against 6 double-digit losses on the Jets alone - Peyton-less 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE BARON Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: No one is saying run him more, but running him up the middle incessantly where the Bengals are actually talented is poor planning and goes against a winning formula. Yes... Don't run him up the gut. At the very least, get him out in space and throw him the ball. Put him in bunch formation on the end, a screen pass.. Anything. If you don't use your best players why bother ??? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Solid offensive game planning really. I said this yesterday along with others. Time to start really questioning Adam Gase and his ability to be the HC of this team. We still need a young fast RB to add in the mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Funny I saw that piece and thought the same thing after watching gase run at Atkins and call deep drops on 3rd down bringing Dunlap into play 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 last year it was popular to look at reich/ballard and say how well run Indy is... they were 5-2, now 6-6 and Vinatieri just keeps sucking in a historically significant way... this isnt a gase endorsement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 i know bell hasnt been the same player as he was in pitt but comon this line is horrid. gase should of def called some outside runs tho. also would like to see more screens and passes out of the backfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alentador31 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 7 hours ago, THE BARON said: Bill Belichick: "Study your opponent to gain an understanding of their weaknesses, so that you can then attack and exploit it." Adam Gase: Study the round hole before you attempt to hammer through a square peg. It is pretty obvious. Gase wants to pass the ball. Even if he knows he can win more games by running a balanced offense right now, he is not going to. In one regard he has somewhat of the right idea. The current rules BEG you to pass the ball. Building an offense to run the ball is pretty much like choosing to row up steam. In that sense, Gase has it right. It is was Chris Johnson was referring to when he said of Gase, that "he is coaching to where football is going" The problem is, no coach or GM can wave a magic want and "poof" you have the perfect roster for the system that you are queer for. You have injuries to deal with, game planning against your opponent's weakness, weather considerations and so on... "No plan survives first contact with the enemy" Any coach that can not adjust his plan to suit the skills and limitations of his players as they relate to the skills and limitations of his opponent is a BAD coach... Any coach that is not DRIVEN to win NOW is a *LOOSER* F**K sake, Rex was pissed off about not winning the Jets/Giants Snoopy trophy... For all of Rex's warts.....you could never doubt his passion and his players always came to play....except AFC championship games. I would still take Rex over Gase at this point I think. I have been trying to stay patient but man...Gase makes it difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2k8 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Alentador31 said: For all of Rex's warts.....you could never doubt his passion and his players always came to play....except AFC championship games. I would still take Rex over Gase at this point I think. I have been trying to stay patient but man...Gase makes it difficult. I love Rex too but this is recency bias talking. The last 3 years of Rex Ryan were an unmitigated disaster. I think even Bart Scott would admit some of those teams checked out in December. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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