Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 hours ago, JiF said: It's literally no different than Kipers top 5 each year but this is neat!!! No, it's not the same. Kiper has a top 5 each year, yes. But QBase has scores that you can track over multiple seasons. I.E. they have the ability to compare prospects across multiple draft classes. Here were there scores on 2017-19 prospects, ranked. Notice how Mahomes and Lamar Jackson are both in the top 3. I highly doubt Mel Kiper "nailed it" on that level. They whiffed on Joshua Dobbs on one end and Deshaun Watson on the other. That doesn't make it a useless tool, and there's no chance QB experts do better than QBase using the "eye test" method. Baker Mayfield: 1,480 Pat Mahomes: 656 Lamar Jackson: 656 Josh Rosen: 623 Kyler Murray: 595 Dwayne Haskins: 527 Mitchell Trubisky: 435 Joshua Dobbs: 419 Sam Darnold: 412 Ryan Finley: 398 Mason Rudolph: 343 Davis Webb: 286 Luke Falk: 277 Drew Lock: 271 Daniel Jones: 263 Deshaun Watson: 261 Kyle Lauletta: 89 Brad Kaaya: 6 DeShone Kizer: -30 Jarrett Stidham: -45 Josh Allen: -83 Will Grier: -151 Nathan Peterman: -245 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, it's not the same. Kiper has a top 5 each year, yes. But QBase has scores that you can track over multiple seasons. I.E. they have the ability to compare prospects across multiple draft classes. Here were there scores on 2017-19 prospects, ranked. Notice how Mahomes and Lamar Jackson are both in the top 3. I highly doubt Mel Kiper "nailed it" on that level. They whiffed on Joshua Dobbs on one end and Deshaun Watson on the other. That doesn't make it a useless tool, and there's no chance QB experts do better than QBase using the "eye test" method. Baker Mayfield: 1,480 Pat Mahomes: 656 Lamar Jackson: 656 Josh Rosen: 623 Kyler Murray: 595 Dwayne Haskins: 527 Mitchell Trubisky: 435 Joshua Dobbs: 419 Sam Darnold: 412 Ryan Finley: 398 Mason Rudolph: 343 Davis Webb: 286 Luke Falk: 277 Drew Lock: 271 Daniel Jones: 263 Deshaun Watson: 261 Kyle Lauletta: 89 Brad Kaaya: 6 DeShone Kizer: -30 Jarrett Stidham: -45 Josh Allen: -83 Will Grier: -151 Nathan Peterman: -245 I dont know how you look at this list and are impressed with this list but ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, JiF said: I dont know how you look at this list and are impressed with this list but ok. Not enough time has passed to make a complete analysis of the 2017-19 classes. But when you look back at their archive, it's quite definitive that it's a useful tool. Here's their top 10 since 1997: PLAYER QBASE DRAFTED CAREER YARDAGE CAREER TDS Philip Rivers 1,964 No. 4, 2004 50,348 342 Carson Palmer 1,916 No. 1, 2003 46,247 294 Donovan McNabb 1,799 No. 2, 1999 37,276 234 Baker Mayfield 1,480 ? ? ? Russell Wilson 1,288 No. 75, 2012 22,176 161 Peyton Manning 1,279 No. 1, 1998 71,940 539 Marcus Mariota 1,277 No. 2, 2015 9,476 58 Byron Leftwich 1,216 No. 7, 2003 10,532 58 Aaron Rodgers 1,216 No. 24, 2005 38,502 313 Ben Roethlisberger 1,211 No. 11, 2004 51,065 329 Hits: Rivers, Palmer, McNabb, Wilson, Manning, Rodgers, Big Ben Misses: Mariota, Leftwich, and possibly Mayfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Not enough time has passed to make a complete analysis of the 2017-19 classes. But when you look back at their archive, it's quite definitive that it's a useful tool. Here's their top 10 since 1997: PLAYER QBASE DRAFTED CAREER YARDAGE CAREER TDS Philip Rivers 1,964 No. 4, 2004 50,348 342 Carson Palmer 1,916 No. 1, 2003 46,247 294 Donovan McNabb 1,799 No. 2, 1999 37,276 234 Baker Mayfield 1,480 ? ? ? Russell Wilson 1,288 No. 75, 2012 22,176 161 Peyton Manning 1,279 No. 1, 1998 71,940 539 Marcus Mariota 1,277 No. 2, 2015 9,476 58 Byron Leftwich 1,216 No. 7, 2003 10,532 58 Aaron Rodgers 1,216 No. 24, 2005 38,502 313 Ben Roethlisberger 1,211 No. 11, 2004 51,065 329 Hits: Rivers, Palmer, McNabb, Wilson, Manning, Rodgers, Big Ben Misses: Mariota, Leftwich, and possibly Mayfield. And here's more: On 3/23/2018 at 4:12 PM, CTM said: This is from 2016 ( i believe it's been improved since then) QBASE Projections 1996-2016 Player Drafted By Pick Year Predicted DYAR In Years 3-5 Actual DYAR in Years 3-5 Philip Rivers SD 4 2004 1969 2679 Carson Palmer CIN 1 2003 1934 2268 Donovan McNabb PHI 2 1999 1831 1075 Peyton Manning IND 1 1998 1306 3922 Marcus Mariota TEN 2 2015 1302 --*** Russell Wilson SEA 75 2012 1246 1695** Byron Leftwich JAC 7 2003 1239 369 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 11 2004 1227 1381 Jared Goff -- -- 2016 1211 --*** Aaron Rodgers GB 24 2005 1205 1891 Robert Griffin WAS 2 2012 1193 -374** Matthew Stafford DET 1 2009 1191 3021 Andrew Luck IND 1 2012 1140 754** John Beck MIA 40 2007 1136 -143 Matt Leinart ARI 10 2006 1130 -56 Christian Ponder MIN 12 2011 1123 -188 Daunte Culpepper MIN 11 1999 1120 1620 Chad Pennington NYJ 18 2000 1114 2631 Cade McNown CHI 12 1999 1047 0 Jay Cutler DEN 11 2006 1020 831 Geno Smith NYJ 39 2013 1015 0* Eli Manning NYG 1 2004 1002 1179 Danny Wuerffel NO 99 1997 951 -160 Teddy Bridgewater MIN 32 2014 923 --*** Kevin Kolb PHI 36 2007 887 33 Player Drafted By Pick Year Predicted DYAR In Years 3-5 Actual DYAR in Years 3-5 Brian Brohm GB 56 2008 863 0 Jason Campbell WAS 25 2005 838 666 Kellen Clemens NYJ 49 2006 838 -92 Tim Tebow DEN 25 2010 833 -9 Alex Smith SF 1 2005 789 -763 Cam Newton CAR 1 2011 705 937 Jake Plummer ARI 42 1997 687 266 Drew Brees SD 32 2001 665 1822 Derek Carr OAK 36 2014 626 --*** Andrew Walter OAK 69 2005 626 -227 Colt McCoy CLE 85 2010 616 -19 JaMarcus Russell OAK 1 2007 597 -834 Sam Bradford STL 1 2010 575 692 Vince Young TEN 3 2006 564 616 Jimmy Garoppolo NE 62 2014 560 --*** Tim Couch CLE 1 1999 513 -366 David Greene SEA 85 2005 472 0 David Carr HOU 1 2002 463 -215 Charlie Frye CLE 67 2005 457 -271 Johnny Manziel CLE 22 2014 456 --*** Nick Foles PHI 88 2012 444 -91** Jameis Winston TB 1 2015 439 --*** Tarvaris Jackson MIN 64 2006 429 162 Dak Prescott -- -- 2016 424 --*** Drew Stanton DET 43 2007 414 174 Player Drafted By Pick Year Predicted DYAR in Years 3-5 Actual DYAR in Years 3-5 Quincy Carter DAL 53 2001 387 263 Blake Bortles JAC 3 2014 373 --*** Matt Barkley PHI 98 2013 344 0* Sean Mannion STL 89 2015 341 --*** Akili Smith CIN 3 1999 325 -55 Matt Schaub ATL 90 2004 312 1181 Michael Vick ATL 1 2001 310 -518 Joey Harrington DET 3 2002 309 -149 EJ Manuel BUF 16 2013 275 -26* Carson Wentz -- -- 2016 274 --*** Chad Henne MIA 57 2008 265 183 Jake Locker TEN 8 2011 261 -102 Joe Flacco BAL 18 2008 256 1462 Brock Huard SEA 77 1999 254 -8 Ryan Leaf SD 2 1998 252 -727 Shaun King TB 50 1999 222 -102 Brandon Weeden CLE 22 2012 219 48** Brady Quinn CLE 22 2007 182 -207 Blaine Gabbert JAC 10 2011 176 -531 Jim Druckenmiller SF 26 1997 165 0 Matt Ryan ATL 3 2008 134 3438 Andy Dalton CIN 35 2011 132 1917 Ryan Tannehill MIA 8 2012 120 650 Paxton Lynch -- -- 2016 106 --*** Rex Grossman CHI 22 2003 62 -175 Player Drafted By Pick Year Predicted DYAR In Years 3-5 Actual DYAR in Years 3-5 Colin Kaepernick SF 36 2011 58 703 Jimmy Clausen CAR 48 2010 46 -5 Dave Ragone HOU 88 2003 30 0 Chris Redman BAL 75 2000 -8 -67 Josh Freeman TB 17 2009 -17 -154 J.P. Losman BUF 22 2004 -25 -310 Pat White MIA 44 2009 -37 0 Kyle Boller BAL 19 2003 -42 56 Ryan Mallett NE 74 2011 -51 87 Patrick Ramsey WAS 32 200 -78 -169 Brodie Croyle KC 85 2006 -173 -62 Garrett Grayson NO 75 2015 -196 --*** Charlie Whitehurst SD 81 2006 -271 -141 Chris Simms TB 97 2003 -271 -166 Connor Cook -- -- 2016 -296 --*** Brian Griese DEN 91 1998 -297 2004 Mike Glennon TB 73 2013 -324 0* Josh McCown ARI 81 2002 -339 -102 Marques Tuiasosopo OAK 59 2001 -377 -49 Kevin O'Connell NE 94 2008 -409 0 Christian Hackenberg -- -- 2016 -409 --*** Mark Sanchez NYJ 5 2009 -430 -649 Trent Edwards BUF 92 2007 -524 -564 Charlie Batch DET 60 1998 -525 59 Brock Osweiler DEN 57 2012 -860 148** * Year 3 only ** Years 3 and 4 only *** Not yet reached Year 3 The most impressive part of this list are the QB's they had at the bottom half of their list: Osweiler, Sanchez, Hackenberg, Connor Cook, Ryan Mallett, Kyle Boller, Jimmy Clausen, Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, Jake Locker, etc. Lot's of teams used high draft picks on those guys. Meaning lot's of scouts missed badly where QBase had it right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No, it's not the same. Kiper has a top 5 each year, yes. But QBase has scores that you can track over multiple seasons. I.E. they have the ability to compare prospects across multiple draft classes. Here were there scores on 2017-19 prospects, ranked. Notice how Mahomes and Lamar Jackson are both in the top 3. I highly doubt Mel Kiper "nailed it" on that level. They whiffed on Joshua Dobbs on one end and Deshaun Watson on the other. That doesn't make it a useless tool, and there's no chance QB experts do better than QBase using the "eye test" method. Baker Mayfield: 1,480 Pat Mahomes: 656 Lamar Jackson: 656 Josh Rosen: 623 Kyler Murray: 595 Dwayne Haskins: 527 Mitchell Trubisky: 435 Joshua Dobbs: 419 Sam Darnold: 412 Ryan Finley: 398 Mason Rudolph: 343 Davis Webb: 286 Luke Falk: 277 Drew Lock: 271 Daniel Jones: 263 Deshaun Watson: 261 Kyle Lauletta: 89 Brad Kaaya: 6 DeShone Kizer: -30 Jarrett Stidham: -45 Josh Allen: -83 Will Grier: -151 Nathan Peterman: -245 Mayfield at #1? I’m with you on this 80!!! I love this system! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, 14 in Green said: Mayfield at #1? I’m with you on this 80!!! I love this system! Clearly its not perfect. ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: Don’t forget Haden, Marinovich and Leinart. somewhere out there @HelenOfTroy is cursing us right now, lol. Pat Haden was like the Danny White to Vince Ferragamo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And here's more: The most impressive part of this list are the QB's they had at the bottom half of their list: Osweiler, Sanchez, Hackenberg, Connor Cook, Ryan Mallett, Kyle Boller, Jimmy Clausen, Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, Jake Locker, etc. Lot's of teams used high draft picks on those guys. Meaning lot's of scouts missed badly where QBase had it right. Its arguably better at telling you who not to draft than who to draft. Even still it outperforms scouts on the latter every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I dont think people understand how or why this works, it's just sorcery to them therefore as meaningful as thier eye test 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Pat Haden was like the Danny White to Vince Ferragamo. Ferragamo. That’s a name from the past.... I used to love that guy. (It’s an Italian thing though). I’m not giving up on DeVito either! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: And here's more: The most impressive part of this list are the QB's they had at the bottom half of their list: Osweiler, Sanchez, Hackenberg, Connor Cook, Ryan Mallett, Kyle Boller, Jimmy Clausen, Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, Jake Locker, etc. Lot's of teams used high draft picks on those guys. Meaning lot's of scouts missed badly where QBase had it right. The top of that list is impressive, but it reallllllyyyyyy derails after Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Warfish said: So tell us the Sam you see. I see a young, continuously improving and dynamic future FQB. Has the ability to make plays almost no other QB in NFL can make. Seems to learn quickly from mistakes and rarely duplicate them I think his greatest strength is not short passing but intermediate level passing especially on the move. He has excellent pocket awareness and movement in the pocket. I do not think he "leaves early" as others do too often He has a strong arm and is very very accurate He is extremely good at being accurate from odd positions and less than perfect feet. He does need to work on stepping into throws when he has the time. He is very good at throwing the slant (we dont run enough) as well as screens and dumpoffs. He is almost too focused on making plays down the field when scrambling, he needs to just take the available yards more often. He is very secure at holding on to the ball He can improve on deep ball accuracy, though we do not have receivers that have any ability to adjust whatsoever. Our receivers, even Andersen are poor at tracking and adjusting to deep balls Some negatives: He is a rhythm and confidence QB so his lows and highs can be more pronounced than some QBs, His confidence seems to feed off the initial pass. If he has a good one and fits it in a tight window rest of game goes well, sometimes if he is off on first pass he never seems to get fully in rhythm He has had a few really bad games where he almost disappears. Not only in this bad, but it skews the perception of his entire season He is still a little frenetic in the pocket he needs to be calmer and less "happy" in going through his progressions When his confidence takes a hit he can start missing high which makes the performance even worse He is a better up tempo/no huddle QB than a planning/adjusting QB like Peyton but Gase still seems to want to force him into the latter. Overall: He is a franchise QB and in the Top 5 most gifted QBs passing the ball in the end. His performance this year is noticeably better than last despite a much worse OL, a terrible run game package, and questionable receivers. He is still younger than some of the top prospects coming out, so his room for improvement is still very high. If he was behind a Top 5 OL like Dallas or Pittsburgh he would be a Top 5 QB in the NFL right now. The ugly footnote: Sam loves him, but Gase is just not a good fit for Sam. Gase still wants Sam to conform to "his" offense rather than building an offense around Sam's strengths. Yes we saw some improvement there in last 4 weeks but not nearly enough. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 19 hours ago, Untouchable said: Why not judge with your eyes? This is why I hate this Bingo. its like the misguided snobby guitarists in the world that use specs as justification for why their digital emulating processors / amplifiers are superior instead of using their EARS. they sound awful. Long live the vacuum tube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, HighPitch said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I think we all have a prediction for how he will turn out, and we also have a degree of confidence in our prediction. I have no problem with anyone's prediction, good or bad, but if anyone has a high degree of confidence of (anything), I seriously question that. Also, people have said that the line and receivers isn't an excuse. That may or may not be true, but we're never winning anything with our current OL and receivers, I don't care if he's Bart Starr. All I care about is how he performs if we have a decent to good OL and receivers. Hopefully we will soon. And if we do - can people confidently predict how he will perform then? I don't think so. We're all just making educated guesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, thshadow said: I have no problem with anyone's prediction, good or bad, but if anyone has a high degree of confidence of (anything), I seriously question that. w/ a decent OL I have 100% confidence that Sam achieve a level of success that puts him in the top half of the middleof the pack of 32 NFL starting QB.... ranked 12- 16 It is getting into the top 3rd, and hopefully the top 10 for several years that I have doubts... I'd say ~ 50/50. ( Our only QB to do that anywhere near recently was 2015 Fitz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 and this business of Sam making plays no one else can... TA GUEULE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, HighPitch said: Bingo. its like the misguided snobby guitarists in the world that use specs as justification for why their digital emulating processors / amplifiers are superior instead of using their EARS. they sound awful. Long live the vacuum tube That's not at all an appropriate analogy. If you want to make the right pick at QB, it's far more reliable to use QBase than the eye test. This is a patently true statement. Music is subjective. Numbers, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Not enough time has passed to make a complete analysis of the 2017-19 classes. But when you look back at their archive, it's quite definitive that it's a useful tool. Here's their top 10 since 1997: PLAYER QBASE DRAFTED CAREER YARDAGE CAREER TDS Philip Rivers 1,964 No. 4, 2004 50,348 342 Carson Palmer 1,916 No. 1, 2003 46,247 294 Donovan McNabb 1,799 No. 2, 1999 37,276 234 Baker Mayfield 1,480 ? ? ? Russell Wilson 1,288 No. 75, 2012 22,176 161 Peyton Manning 1,279 No. 1, 1998 71,940 539 Marcus Mariota 1,277 No. 2, 2015 9,476 58 Byron Leftwich 1,216 No. 7, 2003 10,532 58 Aaron Rodgers 1,216 No. 24, 2005 38,502 313 Ben Roethlisberger 1,211 No. 11, 2004 51,065 329 Hits: Rivers, Palmer, McNabb, Wilson, Manning, Rodgers, Big Ben Misses: Mariota, Leftwich, and possibly Mayfield. Meh, I've beaten this topic to death with CTM. I dont think QBbase is impressive. Their criteria is legit moronic at times and completely inconsistent. I dont know I guess it's just me but it's not an overly impressive list, especially the extended one you posted and I get how hard predicting QB success but it still doesnt provide any type of insight that wasnt already known. Palmer, Rivers, Manning, McNabb, etc. All these dudes were 1st round pick (sans Wilson and I'd argue only because of size) without QBbase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 hours ago, 14 in Green said: You’re talking about Brady at what, 44 years old? Come on, not the best comp for Sam, is he? No, throughout his career. It’s rare but it’s about the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 QBASE is a pretty basic formula, if you’re accurate and start 4+ years you’ll have a high score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: I see a young, continuously improving and dynamic future FQB. I think this is accurate. A little optimistic, but generally fair. He's not a FQB yet, but belief that he will be one in the future is perhaps justifiable. Quote Has the ability to make plays almost no other QB in NFL can make. This is just laughable tho. I can't even take this seriously..... There is alot of the rest I can find some agreement with. So I'm not going to go line by line as usual or crap on your optimism, hyperbolic and lacking objectivity tho it appears to be to me in some places. I hope, from the deepest recesses of my bitter cynical soul, that you're right and my doubts are wrong. But if you are, I do expect to start seeing it in actual production, not just flowery prose on a forum, or endless rationale about how bad everyone else is so Sam can't be judged.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, 14 in Green said: Ferragamo. That’s a name from the past.... I used to love that guy. (It’s an Italian thing though). I’m not giving up on DeVito either! ? Always wanted that guy to be a Jet when he was at Nebraska. Didn’t he go play in Canada first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, Warfish said: I hope, from the deepest recesses of my bitter cynical soul, that you're right and my doubts are wrong. But if you are, I do expect to start seeing it in actual production, not just flowery prose on a forum, or endless rationale about how bad everyone else is so Sam can't be judged.... We all hope that. The cynical part of me worries that Sam will never be given a decent head coach, a good OL and some actual playmakers and he never becomes that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 QBASE is a pretty basic formula, if you’re accurate and start 4+ years you’ll have a high score. Yet NFL teams draft inaccurate / inexperienced QBs high all the time. Pretty amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Beerfish said: Fitzpatrick was tremendous for us that one year, no question about it. It is silly to suggest otherwise. He is also the perfect backup QB. A guy that can come in and play at a high level and win you some games. He can also be bad but that is the reason he is not a starter. Disagree Fitz is a locker room cancer and he’s also a jinx everywhere he goes the starting QBs gets injured and/or suspended 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Disagree Fitz is a locker room cancer and he’s also a jinx everywhere he goes the starting QBs gets injured and/or suspended This is simply incorrect, he is very good in the locker room and respected. Zero to suggest otherwise. Because the team supported him in his hold out and then they fell on their asses people drum up this non narrative. In 2015 the team was 5-5 and clinging to any playoff hope. They they won 5 games in a row including a win over NE. During that time Fitz was 13 tds and 1 int. Fitz was terrific that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Assuming there will be continuous tweaks to QBASE as QB's are playing less in college and coming out after 1 or 2 good seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Sam's gonna be fine. He just needs an NFL caliber oline and a couple good wrs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 hours ago, johnnysd said: Our receivers, even Andersen are poor at tracking and adjusting to deep balls This is a lie. You can say a lot of things about Robby. Body position and tracking the ball really has never been an issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Matt39 said: Wasn’t the guy playing with mononucleosis that game? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonaldJet Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Beerfish said: This is simply incorrect, he is very good in the locker room and respected. Zero to suggest otherwise. Because the team supported him in his hold out and then they fell on their asses people drum up this non narrative. In 2015 the team was 5-5 and clinging to any playoff hope. They they won 5 games in a row including a win over NE. During that time Fitz was 13 tds and 1 int. Fitz was terrific that year. Fitz it’s a pros pro. You don’t last in the league as long as he has without earning a ton of respect/credibility. You can plug guys like McCown and Fitz into the starting lineup, and instantly have credible QB play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 15 hours ago, section314 said: I hope Max has a good filing system. This classic will need to be pulled out soon. Sam Darnold could not even play consistent football in college and when he should have been lighting it up vs inferior opponents/athletes than he would be facing in the NFL he was throwing Int's at an alarming rate and it was concerning for me then. So now he's doing the same damn thing in the NFL and for some strange reason I'm supposed to believe he can Improve and suddenly become a consistently good QB when he still exhibits very poor mechanics (that were plainly visible in college) that are causing major problems. He does have a "good' arm but not an elite one like say Mahomes who can cover up throwing off his back foot, I've seen him do it. Even saying that Mahomes does not throw off his back foot nearly as much as Sam who does it at any sign of pressure. Talking about pressure he's terrible dealing with it. I don't think he's afraid at all like some say, that's ridiculous, I just feel he's simply bad at dealing with it causing his mechanics to fail him over and over. Now if this team gets better and Joe Douglas builds a winner I do believe there's a chance Sam Darnold will beat up on those inferior opponents but what happens when you start facing those elite pass rushers and consistent pressure defenses you're going to see in the playoffs ? Those 12-4 11-5 records mean nothing once you get in the playoffs and Sam will be the same damn guy you're seeing now and revert back to playing bad under pressure. Does anyone on this board (including you section314) feel comfortable that Sam can take a beating like the ones we see Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady take and then beat you in the 4th quarter with a few amazing drives in the face of that same pressure ? Because that's what it takes to be an elite QB not the crap we are currently looking at. Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes seem to be doing just fine when under pressure and I'm sure the stats in those situations will confirm that statement... and guess what ? They are young QB's too. How many times has Sam Darnold drove us up the field or even engineered a comeback in the 4th quarter ? Has he ever ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: Wasn’t the guy playing with mononucleosis that game? Yeah but last time I looked Mono does not cause bad mechanics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 13 hours ago, CTM said: Its arguably better at telling you who not to draft than who to draft. Even still it outperforms scouts on the latter every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I dont think people understand how or why this works, it's just sorcery to them therefore as meaningful as thier eye test I love it. Pennington killing the game. Eli who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 12 hours ago, Beerfish said: This is simply incorrect, he is very good in the locker room and respected. Zero to suggest otherwise. Because the team supported him in his hold out and then they fell on their asses people drum up this non narrative. In 2015 the team was 5-5 and clinging to any playoff hope. They they won 5 games in a row including a win over NE. During that time Fitz was 13 tds and 1 int. Fitz was terrific that year. Fitz publicly pouted like a child after he was rightfully benched in 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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