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1 hour ago, Tony The Wiz said:

Go ask Pete Carroll and Bill O'brien about that !!   I see that hiring assistants have really worked !!

I don’t have to ask them. I had Steve Spurrier and Chip Kelly go ask them. 

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1 hour ago, Maxman said:

I edited the title because it was giving people false hope lol.

False hope?  For Matt Who?

The Jets have won 3 of their last 4 games and are 4-4 with Sam Darnold healthy.  8-8 is about where most had the Jets ceiling for the season, and that was completely healthy, without drama, without losing two quarterbacks for a month, without opening 1-7 due to $60M worth of players on IR.  While the losses to the Dolphins and Bengals are disappointing, big picture the Jets are overachieving to what's left of a tattered roster.

So far, Adam Gase is the one Jet that had a great season.

SAR I

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54 minutes ago, SAR I said:

False hope?  For Matt Who?

The Jets have won 3 of their last 4 games and are 4-4 with Sam Darnold healthy.  8-8 is about where most had the Jets ceiling for the season, and that was completely healthy, without drama, without losing two quarterbacks for a month, without opening 1-7 due to $60M worth of players on IR.  While the losses to the Dolphins and Bengals are disappointing, big picture the Jets are overachieving to what's left of a tattered roster.

So far, Adam Gase is the one Jet that had a great season.

SAR I

I do wonder, do the Jets give you a discount for spouting this sh*t?

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8 hours ago, BroadwayRay said:

We need a coaching vacancy first and that ain’t happening for a long time — unless you have some insider info that says otherwise. 

Bingo. Thread is moot. Gase isn’t going anywhere

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6 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

I do wonder, do the Jets give you a discount for spouting this sh*t?

No discount necessary for speaking the obvious truth. I do wonder, do the Patriots give you a discount for being so subversive and dangerous to the Jets?

SAR I

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7 hours ago, SAR I said:

False hope?  For Matt Who?

The Jets have won 3 of their last 4 games and are 4-4 with Sam Darnold healthy.  8-8 is about where most had the Jets ceiling for the season, and that was completely healthy, without drama, without losing two quarterbacks for a month, without opening 1-7 due to $60M worth of players on IR.  While the losses to the Dolphins and Bengals are disappointing, big picture the Jets are overachieving to what's left of a tattered roster.

So far, Adam Gase is the one Jet that had a great season.

SAR I

People want Gase fired. The title made it sound like that might have happened.

That's where the false hope comes from. has nothing to do with anything I feel personally.

Thanks for the pep talk though lol.

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48 minutes ago, SAR I said:

No discount necessary for speaking the obvious truth. I do wonder, do the Patriots give you a discount for being so subversive and dangerous to the Jets?

SAR I

No they do that to themselves.

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1 hour ago, Maxman said:

Thanks for the pep talk though lol.

What we wanted from this season was to see key young players grow, see Darnold take that next step, and see Gase repair a fractured culture.  Playing meaningful games in December.  Being competitive.

By all measures, so far this season is a success-  in light of the adversity faced by the devastating illnesses and injuries.  Yeah, we had a couple of duds in Miami and Cincinnati, but all teams have those glitches.  We are beat up, playing a roster that's half-filled with guys who aren't NFL starters, and we're 4-4 since Sam's return from a month of mono.  Chin up.  Head held high. 

SAR I

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51 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

No they do that to themselves.

"The Jets have won 3 of their last 4 games and that has really upset me because as a SOJF victim I miss terribly that feeling that I'm a complete loser.  Thank God they lost to the Bengals so I can feel whole again.  Fire Gase.  Sell the team, Woody.  Man it feels good to lose again."

-BurnleyJet

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Gase is not going anywhere. So the sooner people start to accept that he is going to be here through at least next season the better it will be for all of us.

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26 minutes ago, SAR I said:

What we wanted from this season was to see key young players grow, see Darnold take that next step, and see Gase repair a fractured culture.  Playing meaningful games in December.  Being competitive.

By all measures, so far this season is a success-  in light of the adversity faced by the devastating illnesses and injuries.  Yeah, we had a couple of duds in Miami and Cincinnati, but all teams have those glitches.  We are beat up, playing a roster that's half-filled with guys who aren't NFL starters, and we're 4-4 since Sam's return from a month of mono.  Chin up.  Head held high. 

SAR I

SAR........the only thing missing here is the clip from the chaotic ending in Animal House with Kevin Bacon screaming "all is well."

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7 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

Gase is not going anywhere. So the sooner people start to accept that he is going to be here through at least next season the better it will be for all of us.

We can still discuss his faults and what he does good though right. 

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9 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

We can still discuss his faults and what he does good though right. 

Yes you may 😁

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2 hours ago, Maxman said:

People want Gase fired. The title made it sound like that might have happened.

That's where the false hope comes from. has nothing to do with anything I feel personally.

Thanks for the pep talk though lol.

You sir, are subversive and dangerous.

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2 minutes ago, shawn306 said:

Yes you may 😁

I don't want to offend  @SAR I  you know because he's the only one who's allowed opinions about this team good or bad. 

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Just now, joewilly12 said:

I don't want to defend @SAR I  you know because he's the only one who's allowed opinions about this team good or bad. 

I have more than my share of gripes concerning Gase. The fact is though (at least through CJ) Gase is not going anywhere anytime soon. He is going to be given time to build this team in his image and hopefully they become good again. I doubt it will happen and maybe that makes me SOJ but not much I can do about except hope.

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Just now, shawn306 said:

I have more than my share of gripes concerning Gase. The fact is though (at least through CJ) Gase is not going anywhere anytime soon. He is going to be given time to build this team in his image and hopefully they become good again. I doubt it will happen and maybe that makes me SOJ but not much I can do about except hope.

Exactly he's not going anywhere, we should be able to discuss his good and bad points and when he coaches a game like he did on Sunday against an 0-11 team no one should be here defending him. 

 

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  • Gase is not going anywhere.   He is a flawed caretaker until Douglas can fix the roster.   No one else is coming, and the Johnsons owe him three more years.  I predict he gets fired next year because he will lay 2-3 eggs like the Cincinatti game next year that keep the Jets from making the playoffs.  FWIW, if the Jets beat the Bills, Miami and Cincinnati this year, they currently would be the 6th seed.
  • Matt Rhule makes over $4mm/year at Baylor, plus whatever extras he can make pitching cars, sportswear, etc., to mould young men, etc. in college.  He is not coming to the Jets now.  If anywhere, he goes to the Giants.   I can see the Maras biting that bullet if for no other reason than to show the Jets up.  
  • I really don’t know from which tree the Jets look for the next HC from.   I would suggest a CEO type with a solid staff below him.  Could require recycling a McCarthy or Cowher.  But nothing is getting better without a better S&C coach.  Way too many injuries on this team. 
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1 hour ago, SAR I said:

By all measures, so far this season is a success

Again, I realize you are trolling, but this is may be your greatest Baghdad Bob impression ever.

At least your PSL investment gold narrative was delivered before it was proven ridiculous. 

C'mon man. You can defend Gase and not be silly about it.

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5 hours ago, section314 said:

SAR........the only thing missing here is the clip from the chaotic ending in Animal House with Kevin Bacon screaming "all is well."

After we were stricken down with an awful string of injuries and finally got our quarterback back, we are 4-4.  By the time the season is over, we'll probably end 6-6 with healthy Darnold.  That's a 1-7 first half and a 5-3 second half.  That's encouraging, considering how half our roster aren't NFL starters.  All is well.

SAR I

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5 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

We can still discuss his faults and what he does good though right. 

No, you can't.  Because with a roster this slammed and broken there is nothing he can do about penalties or being exploited by an opponent.  That's what happens when third string linemen and fourth string linebackers get beat.  They take penalties or they get burned for big plays.  That's not coaching.  That's bottom barrel talent.

Everyone is raving about Tomlin.  I think Gase has done a better job of doing more with less.  Tomlin is in his 11th year coaching a team that he built and was 9-7 last year, at one point going on a 7-1 run.  Gase is in his first year with a bad Maccagnan team and a lousy Bowles culture needing to be corrected. 

SAR I

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19 hours ago, Tony The Wiz said:

Money Talks and you know what walks. Throw the money at him and he will sign. He is an East Coast Guy and the Jet Job is a high profile job.

Its a high profile job?  Its only high profile for the circus that it is and the laughing stock of the league.

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12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Yes we can and yes we will. 

If you like wasting your time by chasing windmills go right ahead.

3-legged horses don't win a lot of races.  Judging them as if they have 4 legs is stupid.  Common sense.

SAR I

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1 minute ago, SAR I said:

If you like wasting your time by chasing windmills go right ahead.

3-legged horses don't win a lot of races.  Judging them as if they have 4 legs is stupid.  Common sense.

SAR I

So any bad talk about Adam Gase is not allowed here. 

 

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6 hours ago, SAR I said:

"The Jets have won 3 of their last 4 games and that has really upset me because as a SOJF victim I miss terribly that feeling that I'm a complete loser.  Thank God they lost to the Bengals so I can feel whole again.  Fire Gase.  Sell the team, Woody.  Man it feels good to lose again."

-BurnleyJet

Man your sad, I’ve got some news for you, the Jets stink, and they have a terrible H.C and ownership.

Do I want them to lose No. Do they keep doing this SOJ thing over and over yes.

You try to categorise fans, with no idea what they think or feel. I like many others will keep calling things out that aren’t right, regardless.

Unlike you, I’m not on some Elite fans board, that goes and kiss’s Johnson’s butt yearly.

The structure is terrible from top to bottom, and nothing will change until that does. We have Inept owners, a psychopathic H.C and a rookie GM.

This team is going nowhere. Regardless of your baseless claims, I will be here to put my opinions online, like it or lump it.

P.S

I’m also not a narcissist, so signing each post isn’t important to me.   

 

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2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

So any bad talk about Adam Gase is not allowed here. 

 

It's allowed.  It's just stupid.  If your Honda has a blown engine, it's not a good use of time to write a lengthy review talking about how it has less power than a Toyota.

SAR I

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2 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

Man your sad, I’ve got some news for you, the Jets stink, and they have a terrible H.C and ownership.

Do I want them to lose No. Do they keep doing this SOJ thing over and over yes.

You try to categorise fans, with no idea what they think or feel. I like many others will keep calling things out that aren’t right, regardless.

Unlike you, I’m not on some Elite fans board, that goes and kiss’s Johnson’s butt yearly.

The structure is terrible from top to bottom, and nothing will change until that does. We have Inept owners, a psychopathic H.C and a rookie GM.

This team is going nowhere. Regardless of your baseless claims, I will be here to put my opinions online, like it or lump it.

P.S

I’m also not a narcissist, so signing each post isn’t important to me.   

 

You done?

This same ownership that you hammer endlessly were here when we went to back-to-back Championship games and went on a 16-4 run during that span.  The head coach, defensive coordinator, and GM are highly respected in the league and have proven they can win elsewhere.  The quarterback has taken nice steps towards consistently solid play, a must for a second year player. 

The only thing standing between your mouth and an 11 win season were acts of God, terrible illnesses and injuries that left us with a roster filled with backups and practice squad guys.  Despite this, we are 4-4 with QB1 healthy and have won 3 of our last 4 games.  It's pathetic that someone who calls himself a fan can't see the extenuating circumstances and just wants to hate on the team, and as a result, the rest of us on this forum.

SAR I

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17 minutes ago, SAR I said:

It's allowed.  It's just stupid.  If your Honda has a blown engine, it's not a good use of time to write a lengthy review talking about how it has less power than a Toyota.

SAR I

Don't own a Honda, I buy American made cars. 

i will support and ridicule Adam Gase as I see fit. 

joewilly12

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9 hours ago, SAR I said:

What we wanted from this season was to see key young players grow, see Darnold take that next step, and see Gase repair a fractured culture.  Playing meaningful games in December.  Being competitive.

SAR I

Literally none of this has happened. It's a carbon copy of:

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And on and on. 

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21 hours ago, nyjets1969 said:

Johnson boys will keep Gase they do not have the guts or the smarts to fire Gase. Matt Rhule is more like a Parcells then a typical college coach and I think he could be the next Bill Parcells but it wont be with the Jets the Johnson boys want to run everything they want to pick the coordinators and tell the GM who to hire and fire Matt Rhule after the screwing the Johnson gave him will never take the Job. Got a feeling this team will keep Gase another 2 years then they will blow the whole thing up and bring in another loser like Gase. I dont even think Douglas stays he will get tired of the meddling and walk out after 2 years.

I just don’t see Douglas leaving unless he gets fired...this is his chance to be a GM...he’s got a good reputation but is a noob...

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23 hours ago, Tony The Wiz said:

    I really have a good feeling with him. I watched him take a Temple program and built that up and after what he has done in Baylor is amazing. He has coached in the NFL for 1 year for the New York Giants under Coughlin.  Since I watch a ton of college football I think he not only brings an offensive approach like a Lincoln Reilly but he was a Linebacker under Paterno at Penn St. and brings that toughness to his defense. Baylor was a disaster when he was hired and now they could go to the Championship Series. And all in less than three years.  He is my guy for this organization.  But yes he will be a high priority for many teams, College and Pro.  Hopefully he picks the Jets.  

I’m convinced you’re a social experiment 

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